4/19 Boots OTJ Trial Day 14 AMBG 112

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dpaslean

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Good morning everyone.
The day is here. I want to say thanks for all of the support you all have given for the last 2 months. It's been great!
We also have a vet appointment in 3 hours to see how his kidney's are. Hopefully things have gotten better.

Yesterday: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=117414

Summary 4/18
AMBG 116
PMBG 114
+2.5 80
+5 86

Today 4/19
AMBG 112

Have a great day.
Dwight
 
Yay OTJ!!!
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Good luck at the vets and with the test results. Let us know how it goes.
 
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Woo hoo! Congratulations, Boots, on Day 14!​

I'm sending out good vetty vines for Boots.

(Does Dwight get to use the "OTJ" icon now, or does he have to wait until after tonight's PMBG? I'm so excited. I can't wait to see it!!!!!! :mrgreen: :lol:)
 
CONGRATULATIONS ON DAY 14 BOOTS AND DWIGHT!!!

IT'S TIME TO PARTY!!

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Thanks ladies.
I'm back from the vet. Being a Saturday, she has to send out the samples so I won't get any news until Monday sometime. Today she took blood and tried for urine but he did not cooperate. So, she sent home the black beads for me to use this week. She was happy about the news on being OTJ but she still frowns on my Friskies diet. But, since he has done so well on it that she doesn't recommend changing it. She just thinks a by-products meal is not adequate.

Anyway, here is what she did for today.
Recheck Exam $25
Fructosamine $84
SA020 Superchem/CBC $105
Urinalysis ($32) I will pay for when I drop off the beads.

Are these tests normal protocol for this stage of the game. I wasn't expecting a $246 bill...... I guess I just don't trust this vet. She still thinks prescription diets are the answer.

Well, it's done now. I'm just hoping for good news next week.
If anyone has any info on all of this please let me know.

Thanks.

Edit: I going to be shutdown for a few hours while AT&T hook up new Uverse internet and TV today.
 
So those boots are walkin away from ear pricks. I'm so happy for you. I hope the vet appointment goes well. I hate having them on the weekend because I have to wait until Monday for the labs. Congrats on having a quick response to Lantus and going OTJ.
 
I think the Fructosamine test wasn't needed. The vet can see from your spreadsheet or meter how his BGs have been for the past few weeks. A Fructosamine shows the vet some sort of average in blood sugars for 3 weeks, or something like that. I would say that Fructosamine tests are for people who don't test and don't have the data (right in front of us) that we do. I think some vets are just so used to wanting to do Fructosamine tests on diabetics (because most people don't home test) that it's just habit for them to order one.

Anyway, I hope the test results come back really good :-D

Enjoy your day of celebration! Both of you!
 
I agree the fructosamine was totally unnecessary, and if we'd even thought your vet would want to do one, we would have told you to refuse it.

You know where Boot's blood glucose numbers have been for the past several weeks, and that's all the test will show...of course your vet may be trying to prove that we're wrong and she's right too and hoping the test results will come back that Boots is not controlled (don't worry about it...he is!)

Did you take your spreadsheet to show her? (or give her the link so she could look herself?) No biggy at this point..I just hate for you to have spent money you didn't need to.

I hope the blood tests come back looking better than they did before. I can't see them not being better considering the difference in Boots' overall health! Keeping his blood glucose in normal numbers helps their kidneys function better too

It's really frustrating when you can prove what you're doing is working, but your vet will still have a problem with it....her expensive 'prescription" food (even if it's not too high in carbs) is made with meat by-products too!
The lowest carb canned "prescription" food is DM
Ingredients
Purina Veterinary Diets DM Dietetic Management Formula Canned Cat Food
Liver, poultry by-products, meat by-products, water sufficient for processing, chicken, salmon, oat fiber, salmon meal, guar gum, potassium chloride, carrageenan, salt, Vitamin E supplement, calcium phosphate, taurine, thiamine mononitrate, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, niacin, calcium pantothenate, copper sulfate, Vitamin A supplement, manganese sulfate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, biotin, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, potassium iodide.

And of course the dry is worse!!

Crazy doctors...can't admit they might be wrong even when it's staring them in the face! Enjoy Boot's OTJ status and don't let her steal one bit of your thunder! You did it!

Here are some tips to stay OTJ

1. Never feed dry - not even treats. If you change wet food types, be 100% sure the new food is also low carb and same low carb % as your current food. Some cats are very carb sensitive and an increase from 3-6% to 8-10% can spike the BG’s. Don’t feed if you aren’t sure!
2. Weigh every 2 weeks to 1 month to watch for weight changes. Too much of a weight gain can cause loss of remission.
3. Measure blood once a week, indefinitely. You want to catch a relapse quickly. Some people only do checks every 2 weeks to a month.
4. No steroids or oral meds with sugar - remind your vet whenever giving you any medication. Always double check.
5. Monitor food intake, peeing and drinking. If increasing, a sign of losing remission.
6. Regular vet checks for infection such as dental , ear or UTI. And get them treated quick!

If your cat does fall out of remission you need to be more aggressive and resolve issues/ back on insulin as soon as possible as the window for a second remission is tight if any.
 
Congratulations Boots and Dwight! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I hope you get good results back from the vet. I agree with Chris - don't let the vet steal your thunder by being skeptical about what you've accomplished with getting Boots OTJ. You have so much to be proud of!! :-D :mrgreen: :-D :mrgreen: :-D
 
Thanks Chris and Jen. I won't be swayed by this vet.
And don't worry Chris my cats will never see dry again.

I thought about emailing the SS this morning but didn't think it would help save me $82. I was only thinking she wanted to do the blood work and urinalysis. I guess I should have asked. My fault. My vet has already mentioned changing the diet if his kidney values get worse. When I told her I was feeding the Friskies SD turkey exclusively because the phosphorous was lower, she told me she has some food alternatives that are even lower than the Friskies. I don't even want to know. She thinks these diets are too high in protein.
Time to get outside.
Thanks again.
 
I wonder if the Fructosamine is being sent out, and maybe you can call the vet and have them cancel it.
 
Dyana, do you think that if I sent the copy of this SS that that could suffice for the info they are looking for? I think they are open until 1 EST. 30 minutes from now.
 
Thanks for that suggestion Dyana. I called the vet and she pulled the sample from the mailbox. I emailed the SS to her so she can have that info she needs.
 
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PAR-TAY TIME!!!

Great catch on getting the Fructosamine cancelled, although they really should have mentioned it if they were going to do it. The owner/vet at our clinic gives me grief over lack of fructosamine tests if I ever haver to see her. However, the younger vet we see agrees that the fructosamine tests are pretty nebulous and not needed w/ regular testing. Dyana is right, many vets just can't wrap their brains around caretakers that test and really know what is going on.

Another old school theory is reduced protein for CKD cats. Not needed unless they are in the end stages according to newer research. We have Friskies in our rotation too. I try to keep Tess's Phos intake under 200mg/100kcal and her Phos levels have been stable for nearly 2 years w/ no Phos binders. We have a tab on Tess's SS for all the foods I could find on Dr. Lisa's list that are Low Carb/Low Phos. If you are up for trying raw most of the Nature's Variety are nearly as low as the prescription foods and very low carb as well!
 
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!​

We are so happy to see another kitty make it to the falls. You have done a wonderful job with Boots and we wish you continued success. Enjoy your reduced test schedule, and your freedom from the 12-hour shot clock! :-D
 
i'm so glad you were able to cancel the fructosamine test. that is totally unneeded at this stage of the game for Boots. well, it's unneeded for anyone who home-tests.

It's so exciting to see Boots going OTJ. we're very glad for both of you. i hope you get good news on his kidneys as well.
 
Thanks to everyone who came in later. Liz, Anne, Tricia, Carla, Julie, and Rachel. I apologize if I left anyone out.

And yes, I am happy Dyana came in with her suggestion or I would have just let it go.

It certainly feels different not having to worry about getting tests in. I'm sure I will over do it though and test more than I need. I'm just that way.

And Rachel, I hope you are doing well and things are getting better for you.
 
I'm sure I will over do it though and test more than I need.

They (...namely Marje, Julie, and Wendy....) have been "yelling" at me lately because I'm over my two-pokeys-a-day limit! You'll get used to their yelling! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Congrats again!
Shelly
 
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