4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251;+2 175;+3 107;~3 93;~4 102;+6 97

[Anne & Zener GA]

Yesterday

Today
4/13/12 Zener
AMPS 302, 10th cycle @1.25u, 2/3PP, 1/8 zantac, 1/4 ondansetron, 0.95oz 9%, 1/32t miralax
+1.5 292, 0.95oz 10%, 7 drops kidney liquid

Zener is a little punk this morning. I am wondering if his tummy is hurting. His appy wasn't great at shot time but he did do a bit of yard patrol. Then he ate a good amount of Tillie's food at +1.5 after a bit of tummy massage. Our acupuncturist suggested manipulating his tummy just below the sternum, with a little pressure then movement toward his tail. We have been doing this whenever his appy is not so great and it seems to help. Previously, we had noticed that his appy would be great after coming back from the vet (maybe due to the stomach palpitations by the vet?). At least the BG isn't zooming up like yesterday morning. Paws crossed for a slow slide... I'll be home most of the day for thorough monitoring.

It's a sad week in LL. We are in shock over Curry and now BigMac. Grieving with Tena and CD. Sending healing vines to those who are ailing, Rusty/Ella/Edward, Atlas/Beth, DC/Noreen, Harley/Lyresa/DH and others. At the same time, we celebrate Vyktor's OTJ trial. :smile: Happy Friday LL.
Liz

 

[Randa & Mookie]

Re: 4/13 Zener AMPS 302;+1.5 292

I hope Z's tummy settles and his appy improves through the day. Enjoy your day at home, Liz.

 

[Ann & Maggie11 (GA)]

Re: 4/13 Zener AMPS 302;+1.5 292;+3 201;+4.5 164

Zener, we are sending vines for your appy and tummy. I missed Zener having acupuncture. I'm glad he did his yard patrol.

 

[julie & punkin (ga)]

Re: 4/13 Zener AMPS 302;+1.5 292;+3 201;+4.5 164

tena pointed out in punkin's condo that we have the capacity to grieve and celebrate both - and i guess that's this week for us in Lantus Land, isn't it?

Vyktor's about to day 6 and today is Kiwi's official day 14 trial end date. we're going to celebrate him next week.

oh - and regarding tummy massage - we've used that on our kids with great success for relieving tummy aches. great idea to try it on zener. hope our little guy feels better soon.

 

[mybuddybinks]

Re: 4/13 Zener AMPS 302;+1.5 292;+3 201;+4.5 164

Hi, guys...

at risk of losing a finger, I've been trying tummy massage with Smudge-
seems to be helpful to the crabby ol' bag...
and I'm hoping the individualized attention makes her slightly less grumpy :smile:

Well spoken everyone on the mixed bag of emotions today...

 

[Anne & Zener GA]

Re: 4/13 Zener AMPS 302;+1.5 292;+3 201;+4.5 164

Today
4/13/12 Zener
AMPS 302, 10th cycle @1.25u, 2/3PP, 1/8 zantac, 1/4 ondansetron, 0.95oz 9%, 1/32t miralax
+1.5 292, 0.95oz 10%, 7 drops kidney liquid
+3 201, 1PP, 3mg Zobaline, 0.5oz 10%, 0.15oz 11%
+4.5 164, 0.45oz 11%
+6 151, not eating

@Randa - no appy improvement yet today, but we are getting cerenia from the vet shortly and that has helped in the past.

Ann & Maggie - thanks for the vines. Zener had acupuncture months ago but not recently. It was our human acupuncturist who showed us the massage for his tummy, works for babies with colic too. He is outside right now despite feeling punk.

@julie - tena is wise, it is possible to grieve and celebrate at the same time, what a week here. Tummy massage not having too much effect right now.

It's been a struggle to get the big guy to eat today. He just acts a little punk like he does when his tummy is bothering him. And, of course, I leave tomorrow for London. :sad: The last time I left the country was when he stopped eating all together and we syringe fed for about a week. It's hard enough to leave when he is feeling good and very, very hard to leave when he is not and to leave Liz with all the duty . We put in a call to our vet about another round of cerenia, we've used it periodically when he has these episodes and it seems to sort him out. And tomorrow our vet is at the clinic (she's been away for 2 weeks) in case Liz needs to take him in. She is also ordering cisiapride for poor motility and we should have that early next week.

At least his numbers are pretty good today! :smile:

 

[Pip & Rupert]

Re: 4/13 Zener AMPS 302;+1.5 292;+3 201;+4.5 164;+6 151

Have you managed to get the enzymes into him yet? if he won't eat them sprinkled on his food you can just pop the gelcap down his throat, I used to have to do that with Sophie to make sure she got them. Wasn't a problem, just popped on in there every morning for a few days. although, now that i think about it, they do seem to be slightly bigger format than they used to be. Maybe tip the powder into a pill pocket??? I know they won't do any harm, and they might just help? worth a try??? ECID of course.

 

[Roni and Moonie]

Re: 4/13 Zener AMPS 302;+1.5 292;+3 201;+4.5 164;+6 151

Nice slidage today Zener --Hope you see some nice green later!
Always stressful when we go away--Many Cats thrive when one bean is absent from the household...
Hope Zen will do well & eat Eat Eat!!!!!
Sending Hugs & Love from us!

 

[Anne & Zener GA]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181 cerenia

Good evening LL. Zener's evening is starting off a bit better than his day has been. Liz brought home the cerenia from the vet and we gave him an injection about an hour before PMPS. We added a tiny sliver of cypro, appy stimulant to his evening cocktail, just in case. His eyes are brighter, he seems to be resting more comfortable and he ate well.
Whew. nailbite_smile

I remember reading on a condo I've bookmarked that although cerenia is primarily for vomiting, some new research shows it may have an analgesic effect and anti-inflammatory effect too. That is more likely what helps Zener. Our vet has ordered the cisapride for motility too and that will arrive next week. It's the periodic appy and tummy issues that stress the beans more than the FD, most of the time! Of course, this always seems to happen right before I have to travel. Hmmmm....

Today
4/13/12 Zener
AMPS 302, 10th cycle @1.25u, 2/3PP, 1/8 zantac, 1/4 ondansetron, 0.95oz 9%, 1/32t miralax
+1.5 292, 0.95oz 10%, 7 drops kidney liquid
+3 201, 1PP, 3mg Zobaline, 0.5oz 10%, 0.15oz 11%
+4.5 164, 0.45oz 11%
+6 151, not eating
+8.5 152, FDCh
+10 128, not eating FDCh, went outside and ate grass, then had a very large and healthy poo, then pee, then more grass :twisted:
~11 cerenia injection
PMPS 181, 11th cycle @1.25u, 1PP, 1/8 zantac, 1/4 ondansetron, >1/2 cypro, 1.25oz 11%, 1/16t miralax

@Pip - yes, we have tried the enzymes but no luck getting any in him yet. The gelcaps are quite large now, so we tried putting a bit of powder on his fuds, not sure if we can get the powder in a pill pocket. Tillie, our civvie, thinks the enzymes are delicious on freeze dried chicken treats! :roll:

@Roni - he did have a nice cycle despite feeling punk. It is very stressful leaving and perhaps Zener picks up on that from me. :?

Zener seems more bright eyed and perky at PMPS, so paws crossed the cerenia is helping already. He ate well enough for us to give his insulin on schedule.

Sending lots of energy to those in the tornado paths, we are under a winter weather advisory tonight until tomorrow morning, and I'm taking a shuttle to Phoenix for my flight to London tomorrow. :shock:

 

[carolynandlatte]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181 cerenia

Hi Anne (and Zener)!
I don't think I have ever posted in your condo before! So, Hello!!! :mrgreen:
I noticed Cerenia in your heading, so I thought I would take a peek.
This is probably the post you were referring too(?)
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=65474

Interesting!

I hope the cerenia helps for the tummy, especially while you are gone.

What did you use the acupuncture for? I'm just curious.
Did it help?

Try to have a good trip, and put that worry aside!

 

[carolynandlatte]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181 cerenia

I just looked at your profile.
What a handsome and very special boy you have! cat_pet_icon

 

[Anne & Zener GA]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181 cerenia

Hello Carolyn, and thank you for visiting. The condo was one you posted but a bit longer ago than this one. Thanks for sending this link too, I've bookmarked it. Our vet suspects Zener may have IBD or some sort of irritable bowel syndrome. When he has these flare-ups, he sometimes will vomit and stop eating, and other times, he just stops eating and acts like his tummy hurts. We routinely give him ondansetron as an anti-nausea med and occasionally have to use an appy stimulant cypro. The cerenia seems to relieve his discomfort and he will start eating again. We've used it three times now for short periods. The first time was for 5 days in January, this was when he completely stopped eating after a bout of vomiting and we had to syringe feed for almost a week. The second time was a month ago, and he only had two injections before he was feeling better and eating well again.

He had acupuncture at the end of last year, mostly for appetite stimulation, and couldn't tell that it did anything for that. Zener liked the treatment though and would get in a very relaxed state.

Thanks for your kind words about our very special and handsome fellow. I will do my best to set my worries aside. His other momma bean will take excellent care of him.

 

[Linda and Bear Man]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251 cerenia

Both Bear Man (IBD) and Teddy (IBD/lymphoma) did very well on long term Ondansetron supplemented by Cerenia as needed. Bear Man also used Bupe when he was having a bad IBD flare. We believe that he had a lot of GI cramping. My IM vet says that a lot of vets are starting to use Cerenia longer term (i.e. not stopping for a rest after 5 days).

 

[carolynandlatte]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251 cerenia

Anne-
Have you thought about getting an ultrasound?
If he has IBD, you may want to consider budesonide. It is a steroid, but interacts a tad differently than prednisolone.

After Latte got the IBD dx, I opted to feed novel proteins (a protein the cat has not been exposed to) + grain free. This worked REALLY well for about 6 months, until it started coming out of both ends (sorry) in a ER situation. :cry: this is when we started the prednisolone. It helped her TREMENDOUSLY...until she became diabetic. Had I been able to afford the budesonide, I would have gone that route since it often has less affect on BG's (if any).

Just a thought, in case it has not been mentioned.

ETA: I syringe fed about 90% of food intake for 9 months before being able to save for the U/S. I wish I could have done it sooner.

 

[Tena and Curry(GA)]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251 cerenia

We are sending calming tummy vines for Z-man. Curry whispered to me that she will come during the night tonight to massage Z's tummy. She gives grrrrrreat soooooothing massages.

Lots of healing hugs,
Tena

 

[Georgia and Simon (GA)]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251 cerenia

Anne, I hope things settle down before you leave on your trip. My Cleo, who has CRF, has been vomiting alot. Cerenia has really helped with the vomiting and she is also eating so much better. She has had 2 shots at the vet over the last month and I just had to pick up a syringe today because she has started back vomiting and not eating well. She got the shot tonight and is already eating better and feeling better. I just wish it lasted longer. My vet doesn't seem to know about the pills, only the shots. I'm wondering if the pills would be better in the long run.

Hope Zener starts feeling better and starts eating. You and Liz take such good care of him!

 

[Melissa & Tarragon]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251 cerenia

Healing bones for Zener's tummy. Have a good trip Anne! Liz is an old pro and will definitely keep the kids happy, healthy and in line. I hope you have a great evening and the meds help Z man get over his punkness. ((((Hugs))))

 

[Anne & Zener GA]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251 cerenia

Anne-
Have you thought about getting an ultrasound?
If he has IBD, you may want to consider budesonide. It is a steroid, but interacts a tad differently than prednisolone.

We had a long and difficult transition from dry kibble to wet food and his problems with poor motility and diminished eating started in full after we had a dental in December.We did get an ultrasound in January after his episode of vomiting and no eating. The ultrasound was good and the only unusual finding was some spotty areas in his spleen. The vet thought repeating the ultrasound in 6 months would be an option. So, he has not been diagnosed with IBD though his symptoms are sometimes like IBD. We thought for a bit that he may have gastroparesis from his FD rather than IBD as most of his symptoms are stomach related. As long as he is on a maintenance dose of miralax, he has not had constipation issues.

After Latte got the IBD dx, I opted to feed novel proteins (a protein the cat has not been exposed to) + grain free. This worked REALLY well for about 6 months, until it started coming out of both ends (sorry) in a ER situation. :cry: this is when we started the prednisolone. It helped her TREMENDOUSLY...until she became diabetic. Had I been able to afford the budesonide, I would have gone that route since it often has less affect on BG's (if any).

Good grief, what an ordeal! We have tried novel proteins but our guy will not eat them. After he finally caved on the wet food, there are only about 3 foods he will eat. Zener has not had any diarrhea episodes other than when he was on ABs before and after his dental.

Just a thought, in case it has not been mentioned.

Thank you! I still have quite a collection of wet foods that are novel proteins and other better brands and we try them from time to time, hoping his palate has changed. No such luck yet.

ETA: I syringe fed about 90% of food intake for 9 months before being able to save for the U/S. I wish I could have done it sooner.

You are amazing. Just syringe feeding for a week was super stressful on all of us. We are so grateful to Karrie for all her help.

Thanks for all the information!

 

[Anne & Zener GA]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251 cerenia

Anne, I hope things settle down before you leave on your trip. My Cleo, who has CRF, has been vomiting alot. Cerenia has really helped with the vomiting and she is also eating so much better. She has had 2 shots at the vet over the last month and I just had to pick up a syringe today because she has started back vomiting and not eating well. She got the shot tonight and is already eating better and feeling better. I just wish it lasted longer. My vet doesn't seem to know about the pills, only the shots. I'm wondering if the pills would be better in the long run.

We are glad to read about the cernia helping Cleo. Zener doesn't vomit often but did had two small puke episodes recently. He usually shows signs of nausea and not vomiting. We've done a 5 day period of cerenia, about two months later, a 2-day bout and we have 4 syringes this time, so we'll see how he does in the next couple of days.

Same here on the injections vs pills. Our vet only knows about the injections. We were wondering too if the pills would be better and if you could give them regularly as prevention rather than doing bouts of injections.

Hope Zener starts feeling better and starts eating. You and Liz take such good care of him!

Thank you for your kinds words, we sure do try hard. And we know Zener appreciates it too!

 

[Anne & Zener GA]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251 cerenia

Both Bear Man (IBD) and Teddy (IBD/lymphoma) did very well on long term Ondansetron supplemented by Cerenia as needed. Bear Man also used Bupe when he was having a bad IBD flare. We believe that he had a lot of GI cramping. My IM vet says that a lot of vets are starting to use Cerenia longer term (i.e. not stopping for a rest after 5 days).

Well, that is sort of what we are doing - long term ondansetron (he's been on it the last month or so) and supplemented by Cerenia, though we didn't realize that's what we were doing until now! After Zener had his dental and was on Bupe he ate great. When we would stop the Bupe, he would stop eating. But the Bupe started causing motility issues. We are pretty sure Zener has a lot of GI cramping too, and when we massage his tummy it usually helps.

Do you know if long term use of Cerenia is pill form? Our vet doesn't know about that.

 

[Anne & Zener GA]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251;+2 175 cerenia

The mighty Z is definitely feeling better and his appy is much better.

Today
4/13/12 Zener
AMPS 302, 10th cycle @1.25u, 2/3PP, 1/8 zantac, 1/4 ondansetron, 0.95oz 9%, 1/32t miralax
+1.5 292, 0.95oz 10%, 7 drops kidney liquid
+3 201, 1PP, 3mg Zobaline, 0.5oz 10%, 0.15oz 11%
+4.5 164, 0.45oz 11%
+6 151, not eating
+8.5 152, FDCh
+10 128, not eating FDCh, went outside and ate grass, then had a very large and healthy poo, then pee, then more grass
~11 cerenia injection
PMPS 181, 11th cycle @1.25u, 1PP, 1/8 zantac, 1/4 ondansetron, >1/2 cypro, 1.25oz 11%, 1/16t miralax
+1 251, 1.15oz 9%, 8 drops kidney liquid
+2 176, 1.0oz 9%

@Tena - Zener would be so very honored if Curry comes by tonight to massage his tummy! What a wonderful angel is Curry! :YMHUG:

@Melissa & Mr T - thanks for the bon voyage wishes. You are so right, Liz is an old pro! You should see her give that Cerenia injection, it's a big needle! The meds are helping already. We have paws crossed the tornadoes miss you and yours. I grew up in Arkansas and lived in Illinois for many years, so been through my share of those things. I'm with Tarragon, they are darn scary! :shock:

 

[Linda and Bear Man]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251 cerenia

Both Bear Man (IBD) and Teddy (IBD/lymphoma) did very well on long term Ondansetron supplemented by Cerenia as needed. Bear Man also used Bupe when he was having a bad IBD flare. We believe that he had a lot of GI cramping. My IM vet says that a lot of vets are starting to use Cerenia longer term (i.e. not stopping for a rest after 5 days).

Well, that is sort of what we are doing - long term ondansetron (he's been on it the last month or so) and supplemented by Cerenia, though we didn't realize that's what we were doing until now! After Zener had his dental and was on Bupe he ate great. When we would stop the Bupe, he would stop eating. But the Bupe started causing motility issues. We are pretty sure Zener has a lot of GI cramping too, and when we massage his tummy it usually helps.

Do you know if long term use of Cerenia is pill form? Our vet doesn't know about that.

I only used cerenia in injectable form. The boys did not absorb meds well through the GI tract, and they tolerated the injections (except for the bad sting) well.

 

[Anne & Zener GA]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251;+2 175;+3 107 cerenia

Oh my, look - Zener's back to doing a bit of +3 diving. :shock:
Today
4/13/12 Zener
AMPS 302, 10th cycle @1.25u, 2/3PP, 1/8 zantac, 1/4 ondansetron, 0.95oz 9%, 1/32t miralax
+1.5 292, 0.95oz 10%, 7 drops kidney liquid
+3 201, 1PP, 3mg Zobaline, 0.5oz 10%, 0.15oz 11%
+4.5 164, 0.45oz 11%
+6 151, not eating
+8.5 152, FDCh
+10 128, not eating FDCh, went outside and ate grass, then had a very large and healthy poo, then pee, then more grass
~11 cerenia injection
PMPS 181, 11th cycle @1.25u, 1PP, 1/8 zantac, 1/4 ondansetron, >1/2 cypro, 1.25oz 11%, 1/16t miralax
+1 251, 1.15oz 9%, 8 drops kidney liquid
+2 176, 1.0oz 9%
+3 107, 1PP, 0.35oz 9%, 1 drop karo - trying to slow the drop to see if we can contain the bounce.

@Linda - oh, right - the injectable IS easier to absorb. Zener tolerates the injections pretty well, though tonight he was not happy about it. We didn't realize there was a bad sting as he hadn't complained much before, but he sure did tonight. We were afraid we were doing something wrong, so it helps a lot to know the stuff stings. Thank you!

 

[Ella & Rusty & Stu(GA)]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251;+2 175;+3 107 cerenia

Hey guys,
Glad that Z is feeling better tonight and sending him some beautiful healing vines. Have a safe trip, Anne. Liz and the kitties will do a great job keeping the home fires burning. Zener's going to be fine.

Hugs to you all,

Ella & Rusty

 

[Anne & Zener GA]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251;+2 175;+3 107;+3.5 93 cerenia

Woohoo! :mrgreen:
PMPS 181, 11th cycle @1.25u, 1PP, 1/8 zantac, 1/4 ondansetron, >1/2 cypro, 1.25oz 11%, 1/16t miralax
+1 251, 1.15oz 9%, 8 drops kidney liquid
+2 176, 1.0oz 9%
+3 107, 1PP, 0.35oz 9%, 1 drop karo - trying to slow the drop to see if we can contain the bounce.
+3.5 93, 0.6oz 9%, 1 drop karo

@Ella - thanks for the healing vines and the safe travel wishes! Liz will do a great job while I am away. And thanks for the vote of confidence on the mighty Z! :YMHUG:

 

[Noreen&DC&Frisky]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251;+2 175;+3 107;+3.5 93 cerenia

I hope Zener's tummy feels better soon.
Sending healing vines.

 

[julie & punkin (ga)]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251;+2 175;+3 107;~3.5 93;~4.5 10

glad to hear that the little guy's appy is a bit better tonight. also glad that you got some ideas from experienced people!

have a great trip, anne! i hope you get through the weather ok - yikes on the winter storm warning. we'll keep liz company while you're gone. :YMHUG:

 

[Anne & Zener GA]

Re: 4/13 Zener PMPS 181;+1 251;+2 175;+3 107;~3 93;~4 102;+6

It's a blue-green wobble!
PMPS 181, 11th cycle @1.25u, 1PP, 1/8 zantac, 1/4 ondansetron, >1/2 cypro, 1.25oz 11%, 1/16t miralax
+1 251, 1.15oz 9%, 8 drops kidney liquid
+2 176, 1.0oz 9%
+3 107, 1PP, 0.35oz 9%, 1 drop karo - trying to slow the drop to see if we can contain the bounce.
+3.5 93, 0.6oz 9%, 1 drop karo
~4.5 102, 0.55oz 9%
+6 97, 0.65oz 9%

@Noreen & DC - thanks for the healing vines, and we're sending some to you too! Zener's tummy is feeling much better tonight!

@julie - we get such great ideas from people in LL! We are so very grateful. We shall see about the weather here, no snow yet, but supposed to start any minute. Predicting 4-6" so unless an accident or something closes the interstate, I should be able to get out okay. Thanks so much for keeping Liz company while I am gone. :YMHUG: It's hardest on the bean left at home. :sad:

Gonna get one more test before bedtime, just to be sure. And enjoying lots of cuddles with Mr Z while watching some bad TV, getting my Zener fix before I go away for a week. cat_pet_icon