? 4/13 Asia AMPS 173 Figuring out Adequan dose help

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LuvinThisPig said:
I just put the cardboard flat anywhere near the box, not inside it. I always leave boxes down for them after we get a shipment, because well they just love them! One day, after finishing all the cans of Weruva (months ago) in the flat they are shipped in, I put the flat down on the floor. At this point Pig was still in really high numbers and it was a struggle to get him to urinate by himself even if he was not constipated. However, after just placing the flat down on the floor he almost immediately got up and started using it.

Now, I do not know if other cats will just use them like that (ECID, right?), but I would think a small scoop of used litter in the box might let them know it is okay to use it. I started putting the puppy pads underneath the box because they can leak after kitty pees. But, it is so easy to clean as you just toss it out. It is sort of like using a disposable litter box without and litter and without paying the price for fancy disposable boxes. This also give me the flexibility to just place 'litter boxes' all over the house when he is not feeling overly well. The random placements help, especially in an arthritic kitty because they do not have to walk as far to reach the box. I have seen a vast improvement in his motivation, alone, to get up and use the box this way. However, I will say this, I live alone and my boys are my life so it does not bother me to have cardboard litter boxes strewn about, but it might some. I just find it to improve his bladder size and frequency of bathroom trips if I make it more convenient on him.

But, yes, he uses this cardboard box just as he would a litter box. Only, it seems better for him because it has no litter to contend with.
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Thank you, much clearer and yes, Genius!!
 
Stacy & Asia said:
Congrats on your double decade kitty, he sounds like he’s in amazing shape. :cat: Asia was doing pretty awesome all around until about a year ago and then diabetes happened in September and things started falling apart.

I have 1mL syringes, it would take all day to use insulin syringes. :joyful: Did you mean 0.2 for the dose? Asia is 10 pounds and some change, so if I round up, she would be that same dose, I will run it by my vet. Do you inject anywhere in particular? The scruff?
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Yes 0.2 (you could make it a fatty as she is a little over 10 pounds). I usually do the scruff area. Dre is a 20 pounder LOL he gets a hefty dose:rolleyes:
 
PussCatPrince said:
Oddly or perhaps not so oddly given Ty's back leg/hip I have been trying to find out . This is about Pentosan. I believe this is same/similar.
When CKD is in play it always seems best to err on the side of caution with dosing. So perhaps less than recommended here.

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Here in Oz, we used Pentosan (but we used the brand called Zydax). Initially, many years ago, it seemed to really help Girlie. We had one injection a week for a month; this was quarterly. Then we moved it up to one injection per month. Then there seemed to be a too-coincidental-t0-be-true (but weird) HUGE jump in her BG levels when she got her Zydax injection. As it wasn't making any difference to her anyway, we decided not to bother with them. But Girlie is 19 now, and she's had trouble with arthritis for many, many years now.

Does anyone know the differences between Adequan and Pentosan? I think we can get Adequan here in Oz, but I'm wondering whether it would be worth trying. It does sound like it does wonderful stuff, even if the cat has significantly advanced arthritis: is that right?

Wonderful post here with such great info!
 
Girlie's mom said:
Then there seemed to be a too-coincidental-t0-be-true (but weird) HUGE jump in her BG levels when she got her Zydax injection.
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Gizmo did the same with Adequan. Seemed to be fine on the build up dosing but one we went to 1/month his BG went up significantly after the maintenance shot of Adequan. I didn't think it was doing as much as was worth the numbers so I discontinued it too.
 
@Stacy & Asia for some reason I missed this and I know it's an older thread.

On the antinol. My vet gave me 2 boxes of it for Tripper to try. She was already on cosequin. If I remember both take time to start helping. After about 3 weeks Tripper was better. She has a luxating knee and inflammation. I punctured the capsule and squirted in her food. We bought her upstairs for the winter and she stopped eating from the stress of the other cats and I got remiss is giving it routinely. Now her leg is bothering her again. She is back in the basement eating again. Started up the cosequin again. I'm out of antinol. My vet gave me 6 boxes of it for free. Gotta love my vet.
 
Murphy is almost 13 and weighs ~13 lbs. He also has muscle wasting in his back legs and arthritis A few months ago, my vet started him on adequan (he is on 0.25 ml) and it made a big difference the first week even. He is much more comfortable now - I have noticed no ill effects - sometimes I think his ears may bleed easier, but not sure. She also gave me a sample of antinol to try, but I wanted to try one thing at a time to determine which one was working. Now I can't find the antinol, but when I do, I'll try it.
 
This is the thread I needed @Stacy & Asia !!! Is the Adequan continuing to show some beneficial results for Asia?? Have you considered the MSM powder for her?

@jayla-n-Drevon I currently give Pig Adequan, but followed your link for the Pure MSM powder from the Holistic Horse. I was pretty impressed so purchased some. I was looking for advice on how to give it and what to look for. Pig has some mild arthritis in his hind quarters from Manx syndrome and some genetic issues...
 
This is a wonderful thread with such useful information. I guess one of the big questions when looking at arthritis, though, is how advanced is it? Are we talking about mild joint inflammation and early-onset arthritis, or (as in Girlie's case), are we talking about a cat who's had arthritis for years and years now? When the arthritis is advanced, are things like Cosequin or Antinol going to be useful? Will things like Adequan or Pentosan be effective? Or - at an advanced stage - do we have to look at things like Bupe or Tramadol as pain relievers - and would that be on their own as the other meds really aren't doing much at an advanced stage - or in conjunction with those others?

I know that Asia is even older than Girlie. Has Asia struggled with arthritis for years, Stacy, or are you just starting to give her meds for it?

Other arthritic cats: any thoughts on treatment for beginning vs advanced stages of arthritis? I'd be curious to hear what others' thoughts are on this. I'm more than happy to invest in every supplement and treatment under the sun for Girlie, but I wonder what's most effective at particular stages or whether they're all useful at all stages. If that makes sense! :-)
 
Girlie's mom said:
This is a wonderful thread with such useful information. I guess one of the big questions when looking at arthritis, though, is how advanced is it? Are we talking about mild joint inflammation and early-onset arthritis, or (as in Girlie's case), are we talking about a cat who's had arthritis for years and years now? When the arthritis is advanced, are things like Cosequin or Antinol going to be useful? Will things like Adequan or Pentosan be effective? Or - at an advanced stage - do we have to look at things like Bupe or Tramadol as pain relievers - and would that be on their own as the other meds really aren't doing much at an advanced stage - or in conjunction with those others?

I know that Asia is even older than Girlie. Has Asia struggled with arthritis for years, Stacy, or are you just starting to give her meds for it?

Other arthritic cats: any thoughts on treatment for beginning vs advanced stages of arthritis? I'd be curious to hear what others' thoughts are on this. I'm more than happy to invest in every supplement and treatment under the sun for Girlie, but I wonder what's most effective at particular stages or whether they're all useful at all stages. If that makes sense! :)
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I'm just getting into this for Ty.
perhaps we should have an Arthritis thread in the Think Tank.
 
Never used it for arthritis, but it cured Burt's dangerous urinary tract inflammations. First he had a blockage, was hospitalized with an iv and catheter. Then he had one flare-up after another, for a year! But no increase in white cells. My vet decided to try Adequan for the inflammation. It worked within 6 weeks, and after 3 months, we discontinued it. Burt remained in perfect shape. till the end of his life -7 years later.
 
LuvinThisPig said:
This is the thread I needed @Stacy & Asia !!! Is the Adequan continuing to show some beneficial results for Asia?? Have you considered the MSM powder for her?

@jayla-n-Drevon I currently give Pig Adequan, but followed your link for the Pure MSM powder from the Holistic Horse. I was pretty impressed so purchased some. I was looking for advice on how to give it and what to look for. Pig has some mild arthritis in his hind quarters from Manx syndrome and some genetic issues...
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Hi!
I put the msm in a gel cap I try to pack it in pretty tight.
Both of mine do pretty well with being pilled.
I have to check the size of the gel cap.
I never give anything on a empty tummy.

You can try it mixed in food if not too fussy. Mine wont eat with anything mixed in.
I followed the dosage on the lable as best I can with the pills. I give dre a extra cap because of his size he is a 20 pounder
I put Vaseline on the cap and it makes it much easier for them and me :)
 
@Girlie's mom
Hi !

I know of a few dogs and cats thst had pretty advanced arthritis to the point where the family was considering quality of life etc...
They gave adequan and dasaquan with msm as a last thing to try and they all improved. Some more than others.
My Rico is 20 and has been on adequan for about 5 years.
I added the dasaquan with msm as well as the msm from theholistichorse and he definitely has even more pep in his step.

Dre is 19 with fd. He also has been on adequan and I added the msm but not dasaquan due to the fd.
The msm and adequan help his chubby butt :)
 
jayla-n-Drevon said:
Hi!
I put the msm in a gel cap I try to pack it in pretty tight.
Both of mine do pretty well with being pilled.
I have to check the size of the gel cap.
I never give anything on a empty tummy.

You can try it mixed in food if not too fussy. Mine wont eat with anything mixed in.
I followed the dosage on the lable as best I can with the pills. I give dre a extra cap because of his size he is a 20 pounder
I put Vaseline on the cap and it makes it much easier for them and me :)
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This is fantastic! Thank you.... You give this alongside Adequan correct? He has no other health issue at this moment other than Acro (which was just treated), a slight food allergy beginning to show in his intestinal tract, and arthritis in his hind limb area.... This should not interact with anything, I would not think...

I am very excited to begin this, but want to be careful... Thank you so much for your link to it! I found several things on that site that seemed quite worth the price... It is an excellent resource.
 
LuvinThisPig said:
This is the thread I needed @Stacy & Asia !!! Is the Adequan continuing to show some beneficial results for Asia?? Have you considered the MSM powder for her?

@jayla-n-Drevon I currently give Pig Adequan, but followed your link for the Pure MSM powder from the Holistic Horse. I was pretty impressed so purchased some. I was looking for advice on how to give it and what to look for. Pig has some mild arthritis in his hind quarters from Manx syndrome and some genetic issues...
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The Adequan has definitely helped, she has done some things that have been off her playlist for some time. I think we are right near the time when we should start seeing the full benefit, but since she’s having other issues at the moment, it’s really hard to pick that out.

I have a full bag of MSM and I haven’t tried it yet. I read something about it that wasn’t good regarding heart, it was before her echo so I wanted to be extra cautious. I will try to dig that up again, I couldn’t find it when I went looking for it again, of course. I’m also cautious to add in new things if some things are off because it’s hard to separate what’s what. She’s on a lot of meds and supplements, unfortunately.

I’m really excited to see how Pig reacts to it, I hope it gives him new springs! :cat:
 
Girlie's mom said:
This is a wonderful thread with such useful information. I guess one of the big questions when looking at arthritis, though, is how advanced is it? Are we talking about mild joint inflammation and early-onset arthritis, or (as in Girlie's case), are we talking about a cat who's had arthritis for years and years now? When the arthritis is advanced, are things like Cosequin or Antinol going to be useful? Will things like Adequan or Pentosan be effective? Or - at an advanced stage - do we have to look at things like Bupe or Tramadol as pain relievers - and would that be on their own as the other meds really aren't doing much at an advanced stage - or in conjunction with those others?

I know that Asia is even older than Girlie. Has Asia struggled with arthritis for years, Stacy, or are you just starting to give her meds for it?

Other arthritic cats: any thoughts on treatment for beginning vs advanced stages of arthritis? I'd be curious to hear what others' thoughts are on this. I'm more than happy to invest in every supplement and treatment under the sun for Girlie, but I wonder what's most effective at particular stages or whether they're all useful at all stages. If that makes sense! :)
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No, not years, maybe a year or a little less before FD diagnosis. The first sign I noticed was that she fell sometimes when jumping up or down from things. I stopped clipping her nails so she had better traction. I tried a lot of holistic remedies, like green lipped muscle and acupuncture, and didn’t see much if any improvement. I wonder the same thing, if the joints are so degenerated that there isn’t much squishy stuff in there, how effective can these things be? I’m not sure.
 
I was giving Gizmo Cosequin for a while (capsule mixed in with food). His phosphorus jumped significantly between labs and that had been the only change. I looked and the source in the cosequin was shell fish (http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...o-pmps-249-3-218-4-5-173.190911/#post-2128502). I called the company (800# on the bottle) and spoke with a technical person in the lab and they assured me that the two were NOT related and that their product did not contain any phosphorus. I still discontinued - I just couldn't risk it being the cause.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F4W02M/?tag=felinediabetesfdmb-20

I have almost a whole bottle if anyone wants it I will send it to ya! :)
 
jayla-n-Drevon said:
@Girlie's mom
Hi !

I know of a few dogs and cats thst had pretty advanced arthritis to the point where the family was considering quality of life etc...
They gave adequan and dasaquan with msm as a last thing to try and they all improved. Some more than others.
My Rico is 20 and has been on adequan for about 5 years.
I added the dasaquan with msm as well as the msm from theholistichorse and he definitely has even more pep in his step.

Dre is 19 with fd. He also has been on adequan and I added the msm but not dasaquan due to the fd.
The msm and adequan help his chubby butt :)
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The dasuquin with msm... Are you giving the canine one because I haven't seen it in a cat version.
 
LuvinThisPig said:
This is fantastic! Thank you.... You give this alongside Adequan correct? He has no other health issue at this moment other than Acro (which was just treated), a slight food allergy beginning to show in his intestinal tract, and arthritis in his hind limb area.... This should not interact with anything, I would not think...

I am very excited to begin this, but want to be careful... Thank you so much for your link to it! I found several things on that site that seemed quite worth the price... It is an excellent resource.
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Hi :)
Yes we are all about the premptive strike in our senior facility:cat::cat: they get it all:smuggrin:
above is the link I get my dasaquan from --the pills are bigger than most cat pills but sometimes the teeny ones are almost harder to give especially with vaseline on the slippery little suckers.

Just FYI theholistichorse has the best flax seed ever--I eat it in my oatmeal. They grind it right before shipping it is so fresh! I take the same msm the boys get too....:bighug:
 
jayla-n-Drevon said:
Hi :)
Yes we are all about the premptive strike in our senior facility:cat::cat: they get it all:smuggrin:
above is the link I get my dasaquan from --the pills are bigger than most cat pills but sometimes the teeny ones are almost harder to give especially with vaseline on the slippery little suckers.

Just FYI theholistichorse has the best flax seed ever--I eat it in my oatmeal. They grind it right before shipping it is so fresh! I take the same msm the boys get too....:bighug:
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Excellent! Yes, I agree with you. Premptive is best. I try to approach Pig the same way I do myself. If we can stop joint degradation before it starts the better. I was over the moon impressed with the hollistichorse. I will be purchasing more from them... Thank you so much for the invaluable tip!
 
I give it to Rico daily and he is doing very well--that being said I just read the ingredients and I do not see msm--I give him the holistic horse msm which may be the added bounce in his step. Just FYI the pills are large for cats but I have no trouble popping them down-I have lately been using the churo treats from chewy and they are nuts for them.
Tiki makes them also but not as crazy about them.
ingredients
glucosamine hydrochloride 125
sodium chondroitin sulfate. 100
avocado/soybean 25

Dre cannot have it his bg goes super high-

I have not seen any others, I think chewy has the same one as per Larry
 
jayla-n-Drevon said:
I give it to Rico daily and he is doing very well--that being said I just read the ingredients and I do not see msm--I give him the holistic horse msm which may be the added bounce in his step. Just FYI the pills are large for cats but I have no trouble popping them down-I have lately been using the churo treats from chewy and they are nuts for them.
Tiki makes them also but not as crazy about them.
ingredients
glucosamine hydrochloride 125
sodium chondroitin sulfate. 100
avocado/soybean 25

Dre cannot have it his bg goes super high-

I have not seen any others, I think chewy has the same one as per Larry
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I have dasuquin.... I've used it for over a year which is why I was surprised it had msm listed. The dog one has it. I just got an order of msm from holistic horse as you recommended as she did well with the sample you sent me. I open the dasuquin and sprinkle it on the food.
 
JanetNJ said:
I have dasuquin.... I've used it for over a year which is why I was surprised it had msm listed. The dog one has it. I just got an order of msm from holistic horse as you recommended as she did well with the sample you sent me. I open the dasuquin and sprinkle it on the food.
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Just so you know the msm does have a taste is hard to explain.
It isn’t bad just different. My dad likes it lol
Not sure how fussy your baby is. The boys are snobs I have to put in cap.
 
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