4/10 SHEBA another bounce AMPS 464 +3.5 380 +4.5 367

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Bron and Sheba (GA)

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yesterday: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/4-9-sheba-amps-313-5-205-8-86.135905/

Yesterday morning, I thought Sheba came down fairly slowly from 313 at AMPS to 86 at +8. I gave her the extra 13% carbs in her +3 meal so I am at a loss as to why she has bounced again and so high!
I didn't test her much yesterday as I was trying to give her a break from all the testing I have been doing with all the low numbers as well as trying to monitor the bounce. I am wondering if she may have dropped lower than the 86 at +8. Maybe your experienced eyes can see something I can't

I am so disappointed as I thought we had left all those high bounces behind. Maybe she is not back on track after the dose decrease I did for the reunion.
I would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks
 
Remember, it's not ONLY when they go low that they can bounce...it's also when they drop a lot quickly....Sheba dropped from the 300's to 84 in 8 hours, so that's a pretty quick (and significant) drop
 
Chris & China said:
Remember, it's not ONLY when they go low that they can bounce...it's also when they drop a lot quickly....Sheba dropped from the 300's to 84 in 8 hours, so that's a pretty quick (and significant) drop
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for replying
It is the quick drops that I have been trying to address with feeding higher carbs at +3. Sheba seems to make her move between +3.5 and +5 and this is where she has her most significant drop. It usually tapers off to a slower drop after that...........usuallyo_O:joyful:
I thought yesterday's drop was reasonable because she dropped 227 points in 8 hours. Divided by 8 is 28 points an hour. Maybe I am reading it wrong.
Really value your opinion, thanks @Chris & China
 
It's not how much overall that they drop, it's if there are any sudden large drops that cause a new bounce. If sheba dropped at 28 points per hour steadily i don't think that would cause another bounce. But if she dropped 100 points in one hour and then slower for the other hours, that's enough to trigger another bounce.

The other tricky thing is that sometimes cats can have delayed bounces. They might have their "low numbers event" or "fast dropping event" and then it might delay the start of the bounce for even a couple of cycles.

Gotta keep us guessing, I suppose.
 
julie & punkin (ga) said:
It's not how much overall that they drop, it's if there are any sudden large drops that cause a new bounce. If sheba dropped at 28 points per hour steadily i don't think that would cause another bounce. But if she dropped 100 points in one hour and then slower for the other hours, that's enough to trigger another bounce.

The other tricky thing is that sometimes cats can have delayed bounces. They might have their "low numbers event" or "fast dropping event" and then it might delay the start of the bounce for even a couple of cycles.

Gotta keep us guessing, I suppose.
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Thanks Julie.
As I suspected....you and Chris know a lot more about this tricky disease than I do!;) Thanks guys for being there for us all. I hope you know how much we value your advice:bighug:
I shall keep plodding along...surely one day we can get rid of that wretched trampoline:joyful:
 

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julie & punkin (ga) said:
The other tricky thing is that sometimes cats can have delayed bounces. They might have their "low numbers event" or "fast dropping event" and then it might delay the start of the bounce for even a couple of cycles.
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The worst part of Neko's bounces are usually three cycles after the low event. Took me a while to figure out that she really likes to take a run at it. :rolleyes: Time for a "save a strip" day.
 
Hi Bron. Apart from the bouncing your Sheba's spreadsheet looks good. My Lucy has a lot of bouncing in her glucose levels too. I am almost waiting for the bounce overnight and possibly tomorrow too.
 
Voula said:
Hi Bron. Apart from the bouncing your Sheba's spreadsheet looks good. My Lucy has a lot of bouncing in her glucose levels too. I am almost waiting for the bounce overnight and possibly tomorrow too.
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@Voula
Hi Voula, just had a look at Lucy's SS. I can see she bounces a bit as you say. It is very frustrating as one can do nothing about it once it happens. I try really hard every day to control the drops but still she bounces..

We were talking about arthritis recently....I should have mentioned Sheba had a course of cartrophen injections about a month ago. One a week for 4 weeks. Wendy told me about them. About 2 weeks ago I suddenly realised she was doing a lot more moving around and jumping up. This is on top of her improvement from a few weeks previous to that. I am sure it is the cartrophen injections which have made this latest improvement. You might like to look into it for Lucy with your vet. I Can give you more details if you are interested
 
@Vintry
I am no expert but here goes.
Firstly some people say that Somogyi effect has never been proven in cats and does not happen. In saying that What other people say happens is that when the blood sugar drops really low,the body reacts to save itself and the BSL shoots up really high. (that is the theory). I think it usually happens when too much insulin is being given.
But if you have been going slowly up the scale of dosing like you have, it is not Somogyi.

A bounce can happen when the BSL drops too fast, drops too low or into numbers the cat's body is not used to.
Sheba used to bounce from numbers in the low teens. At the moment she is bouncing because she is dropping too fast, and I am having to feed her as she is dropping to"manage the drop". I am not always successful
If you look at a SS and see high numbers you are not expecting, go back and see if you can see a fast drop, low BSl or numbers that your cat is not used to. You might have to go back a few cycles. I have not heard anyone talk about Somogyi really here on the forum as having happened to anyone. It is always bouncing
It is confusing and it took me ages to get my head around it. I used to worry about Somogyi too but not any longer. If you are concerned about Barsa, put in an alert for one of the experts and they will have a look at it for you. I hope I have explained it for you :)
 
Yes you have explained it. thank you. I see quite a few bouncy cats here. Mine definitely had a somogii effect a while back on Caninsulin. That's why I am now worried same thing is happening again. But if it really is a bounce then yeah, all that's left is to feed the right food at the right time. My Barsa takes days to clear this bounce :( and the ongoing problem of ketones makes it a real problem.
 
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@Voula
Hi Voula, just had a look at Lucy's SS. I can see she bounces a bit as you say. It is very frustrating as one can do nothing about it once it happens. I try really hard every day to control the drops but still she bounces..

We were talking about arthritis recently....I should have mentioned Sheba had a course of cartrophen injections about a month ago. One a week for 4 weeks. Wendy told me about them. About 2 weeks ago I suddenly realised she was doing a lot more moving around and jumping up. This is on top of her improvement from a few weeks previous to that. I am sure it is the cartrophen injections which have made this latest improvement. You might like to look into it for Lucy with your vet. I Can give you more details if you are interested
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Hi Bron. Yes my Lucy does have quite a bit of bouncing with her glucose levels too. You mentioned the cartrophen a while ago and I thought I should ask the vet about it so thank you for reminding me about it again.
 
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