4/03/13 Rags a beter day !

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I think 2 units, Becki.

Go ahead and feed him and the others will most likely give their suggestions by the time his shot is due.
 
We just jumped to page 2, becki. My answer is right above your last post.

2 units.
 
thank you Carl, why has he been runnuning hI the last two days ? food hasn't changed, this is what Im have a hard time understanding.
 
Becki,
This insulin just isn't doing the job. It doesn't last long enough. But we can't just keep increasing the dose because then it might push his numbers down too far too quickly.
What he really needs is an insulin that will last longer and on lower doses. And that's what we hope will be happening after Saturday's vet visit.
 
Becki, I've been here and checking all day, when I can, but we work out who is on to respond to you.

Prozinc would be easier right now for you to deal with, especially after using N. Lantus is dosed differently and you might have a much harder time understanding it and much more learning of that insulin.

Prozinc basically works like N.....preshot number, feed and you can shoot while he is eating....and then maybe do a spot test at +5, that can all be worked out. He won't go down fast and shoot back up. Duration is so much longer and much gentler on Rags body.

Lantus is not a guarantee of remission...quite a few cats have gone into remission on Prozinc. Too many people come on and want remission and do everything possible, everything correctly, but no remission. If remission is going to happen, it will. If not, diabetes is treatable and not a terminal disease like cancer. I have always considered a remission in a cat as a gift to be thankful for.
 
Becki, We want to see the pictures of Rags, now!

But it's getting close to your PM test, feed, shoot cycle so we'll have to be patient.
You could put a link in your post to your online account where you have your pictures stored.

Click on the URL symbol in the list where you compose your messages for step one.
Open a second tab on your computer to where your pictures are stored.
Highlight the web link address in the upper right hand corner in that long rectangular box by clicking on it.

Hit the ctrl and c keys on your keyboard at the same time.
Go back to the tab where your feline diabetes message board is open.
Your cursor should still be in the middle of the URL brackets [ ].
Hit the ctrl and v keys on your keyboard at the same time.
That will paste the weblink address in the middle of your brackets.
You have done a cut and paste from one web page to another one.

Preview the message before you send it. You should see the website link address underlined and highlighted in blue. If it looks good, you can submit your post as usual.
 
Deb,
Becki sent me three pics of her kitties. I shrunk one down and emailed it back to her with instructions on how to add it as her avatar.

Becki,
Did you get the email, and did the instructions make sense?

Would it be ok if I posted the two I didn't use so everyone can see your babies?
 
Becki,

sounds to me like prozinc will be much easier to use.

I asked Carl the difference between the N and PZI and here is what he told me.

It won't be hard for you to adapt to PZI. Think of N, watered down, and time released! 10-14 hour duration, nadir between +5 and +7. Dose is based on the difference between preshots and nadir. Bounces happen when the numbers go down too fast or too far, just like any other insulin. Very little, if any, overlap, but it can happen on occasion.

Test/feed/shoot within minutes. Onset around +3.

The big difference between Ls and Ps? Protocol. Prozinc doesn't come with one.
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Love seeing that longer duration with PZI. Sounds like a lot fewer variables in using the PZI then you have with lantus. Gosh, reading some of those condos over on the lantus tight regulation board, it sounds like people are jumping through hoops to deal with the lantus. Very, very complicated. I was lucky, only needing to be on that insulin for such a short time and being able to diet regulate.

Some of the people using lantus are feeding their cats mini-meals 10- 14 times a day, sometimes more. I wouldn't want to keep up with that type of schedule. Learning how to steer the numbers with food, new dose wonkiness, that very very rigid dosing schedule, the frequent overnight hypos, bouncing, many more tests to see where the numbers are going, having nadirs that can vary from day to day, shooting low, clearing bounces, new dose wonkiness, having to change your shot times for daylight savings time/standard time clock changes, and a ton of other things I know I have forgotten to mention. Holding the dose for 3 days, changing the dose and having it not work, having to change back to the last good dose.

It was mind boggling.

All this and sometimes cats are still not regulated on the lantus let alone achieving remission.

I think I'd stick with the PZI.
 
Sorry to bump yesterday’s thread, but these are common misconceptions about Lantus so I felt a need to respond.

First, Becki, I understand why they are suggesting PZI for you and your cat, and I think it is an excellent suggestion for you and Rags. I’m only responding to the generalities about Lantus use (and the reason I am responding is because I think there are others who believe the same thing).

Every Cat is Different, and Every Caregiver is Different too. On any of the Insulin Support Groups you will see people and cats at almost every level of Feline Diabetes treatment. There are people who are new and just learning, and there are people who have been here a while and are looking to take things a step further.

There are people on the Lantus ISG who “jump through hoops.” For the most part, they are people whose cats are challenging, for one reason or another, and the caregiver wants to improve the numbers so they are trying different things to make that happen. That is their choice, if they want to do it. If they want to post about it to get more sets of eyes and more ideas, they are welcome to do so. Brainstorming through challenges is a great way for us all to learn new things.

There are also a lot of cats, like Deb’s, who come in and go off the juice quickly, before we even get a chance to get to know them. That’s great too!

The people in between, who get their cats well regulated on the protocol, are not as visible on the forum because they don’t need help anymore! Those folks do not tend to post threads every day because they don’t need to, and they don’t tend to stay around much unless they are staying around with the intention of helping others.

I can see why people who just look through the Lantus ISG would think using Lantus is complicated, because that is what is most visible on the forum, but really it is not difficult and can be very flexible.

All this and sometimes cats are still not regulated on the lantus let alone achieving remission.
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Not all cats will be regulated, no matter what insulin they choose. Hopefully one day we will get there, but for now we all just do the best we can do for our cat.
 
Libby I was not saying that all users of lantus need to jump through hoops. I was explaining that there are many factors to consider and learn if you want to use lantus.

What I wrote was more of a 'worst case scenario' then what every lantus user can expect. Without a crystal ball there is no way to know if Rags will be one of these worst case scenarios.

I know that many users of lantus, never even find this board. If they do, they may never post. If they do post they may ask a few questions and feel they can manage on their own. They may be one of the caretakers to have their kitty diet controlled after a short time on insulin. ECID

Also, EOID or every owner is different. Some can manage the complexities of using lantus if required. Some have work schedules that make PZI a better choice. Some are fearful and never learn to hometest. We are here to provide options.
 
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