3/7 Shasta PMPS=194 +3=195 +5=212 & sister's cat is sick :(

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Deborah & Shasta

Deborah & Shasta

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3/6 Shasta

WCR: Most Ps in place. Her appy is pretty crappy this morning. I can't tell if she's just pissed that I keep putting Cosequin in her fuds or if she's really just not interested...for any other reason under the sun. She was very cute this morning and extra lovey at wake-up time. I got awesome head bumps and head rubs and chatter and she followed me everywhere. Helped me get ready this morning (had to sing at a local church for some service thing I got roped into.) I gave her sub-q fluids last night after picking up a new bag yesterday.

Side-topic: I got a phone call from my sister last night (in NW Florida) and she said that her cat, Pixie, had stopped eating...send prayers. :( Pixie was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism a few years ago and vet insisted on Y/D dry & wet. Like many others, my sister obeyed and Pixie's labs got better. However, her labs yesterday are horrid...kidneys are shutting down. :arghh: They gave Pixie fluids and antibiotics and sent her home. My sister is going in today for them to teach her how to give fluids at home. I have already sent her Marje & Gus' video on sub-q fluids, Tanya's website, Dr. Pierson's website and lots of mental hugs and tons of prayers. But a few more prayers and vines from you awesome people would be greatly appreciated. Also, if any of you have advise for what to feed a cat with failing kidneys & hyperthyroidism...I'd love to pass on some good, solid information. I know her vet will try to push the Hill's K/D, but there has to be something better out there that will be ok for kidney & hyperthyroid. She is willing to give the hyperthyroid medicine a try, but radioactive iodine treatment is really out of the question right now, due to Pixie's age, temperament & my sister's financial situation. :( I have even offered to help, financially. I have created a condo in the Main Health Forum and am waiting for any advice. If any of you can offer advice regarding what fuds she could try to feed Pixie, please...she's desperate. Thank you.

Oh, here are Pixie's lab results if anyone wants to peek: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4QkzekNQKfYOWNEaVk1TmJqVGc/view?usp=sharing

Sending healthy vines to all our sugar kitties and their hoomins! Blessings!

~Deborah & Shasta


AMPS=198 (5% FF Chunky Chicken 1oz & 14% FF Grilled Chicken - fork full & Cosequin)
+2=208
+5=139 (3% FF T&G 1oz, 5% FF Chunky Chicken, 14% FFEMF Turkey)

PMPS=194 (8% FF Flaked Chicken & Tuna 1oz & Zobaline)
+3=195
+5=212 (3% FF T&G 1oz)

Poo Pee tally
Pee piles - 4
Poo piles - 1 (big & stinky)
 
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Vines, plenty of vines. For Shasta's appy. For your sister's kitty. And your sister.

My Patch was hyperthyroid for years, on methimazole and controlled. He also had CKD for a year or so concurrently, on fluids every other day. He wouldn't eat the KD but did well on low phosphorus foods. Other cats I have with CKD alone also required a phosphorus binder (if I'm recalling correctly, available in some sort of human "gas" otc meds.)

Patch crossed last May; sudden heart failure. Charley and Annie both succumbed to kidney disease.

No advice. Just my experience.

Again, vines.

Marilyn and Polly
 
Deborah, Minka is HyperT, and as I mentioned in my post on your condo yesterday, she is on Felimazole. She also had renal lymphoma, so has the same kind of requirements as a cat with CKD. She did not like the k/d food, so we have been feeding her the lowest phosphorus foods she will eat. The chart on Dr. Lisa's site shows Phosphorus as well as carbs, so you can use that to help pick foods. Tanya's site also has a list in order of Phosphorous content, but it's not sortable so a little hard to find a particular food. I fed Wellness grain free for quite some time but then everyone decided they didn't like it. I still feed Dave's, Evo 95% Chicken and Turkey, Pinnacle Chicken & Ocean Fish, and Friskey's Special Diet T&G. These are all fairly low in Phosphorous. Again, y/d isn't too high, either, if that's what the kitty likes and will eat. Sending lots of healing vines for Pixie and hugs to your sister. :bighug:

Sorry about Shasta's crappy appy. Have you tried offering the same foods without the Cosequin, just to see if she can tell the difference? I give it to two of my cats, and neither seem to notice it. I'm glad she seems to feel well. Sending lots of appy vines for her.
 
Thank you, all. I just got off the phone with my sister. Pixie is still not interested in eating. :( So, here's what she told me today...

Her regular vet is out-of-town until the end of the week, so it was some other vet that she saw today (and my mom & nephew saw yesterday.) Apparently, they did NOT do a full work-up/blood panel because that would take a few days. :arghh: The vet wants her to keep with the Y/D wet and start daily sub-q fluids tomorrow. The vet said she's not excessively worried that Pixie hasn't eaten in 2 days because they gave her sub-q fluids yesterday and pumped her full of electrolytes. o_O My sister is so worried about the hyperT aspect that she's not willing to try other fuds off of Dr. Lisa's list (Ann & Tess' condensed list). :nailbiting: ggrrrrrrr. I don't know how else I can convince her. Again, thank you for all of your help. I've shared all of your responses and can only hope that she'll take some more time reading the websites and researching.
 
I would definitely get a new vet. The y/d wet is fairly low P (0.6%). But routine labs do not take a few days. At the worst case, when my vet draws late on a specific day, the labs are back in less than 24 hours. If she draws early, they are usually back the same day.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
I would definitely get a new vet. The y/d wet is fairly low P (0.6%). But routine labs do not take a few days. At the worst case, when my vet draws late on a specific day, the labs are back in less than 24 hours. If she draws early, they are usually back the same day.
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I didn't think it took that long to run labs. I know that my sister's regular vet is out-of-town, but I don't know what's up with this lady. ugh! Pixie is refusing to eat the y/d and today makes two days of not eating...just drinking water. I convinced my sister to go buy a can of the Friskies Special Diet T&G. She was/is so nervous that it will negatively affect the thyroid and kill her cat. I tried explaining that not eating for two days would also kill Pixie...rock...hard place. Bottom line...Pixie needs to eat. So, she bought a can and next thing I know I'm receiving a text that said "She ate it immediately."
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Then, she sent me this video:
(hope the video link works!)

Anyways, she's still really worried about the thyroid. Also, what concerns should she have over GI problems from the abrupt fuds change? Pixie refused to eat any of the Y/D (smart girl!), so there was no way to introduce the Friskies slowly.

Thank you, again for all of your help and advice. She finally breathed a small sigh of relief when Pixie started eating. I think we all know that feeling so well. :woot:
 
just keep an eye on her and be prepared for either scarf 'n' barf or diarrhea. Modest meals more frequently may go down better than large ones.
Getting her eating is critical.
Next step is the methimazole/Tapazole to control the thyroid. I had a civvie go 5 years on that, to age 19.
 
BJM said:
just keep an eye on her and be prepared for either scarf 'n' barf or diarrhea. Modest meals more frequently may go down better than large ones.
Getting her eating is critical.
Next step is the methimazole/Tapazole to control the thyroid. I had a civvie go 5 years on that, to age 19.
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Thank you! I passed along your info to my sister and I'm sure it will ease her mind a bit knowing that the meds can help manage the hyperT and potentially give her a bit longer with Pixie, assuming they can get the kidneys functioning a bit better. These babies sure do wiggle their way into our lives. Thank you, again!
 
I think the radioactive treatment is out once there are problems with the kidneys :(

Sending tonnes of appy and feel better vines for Pixie and hugs for everyone else :bighug::bighug::bighug: I hope she eats the friskies. Can your sister try to assist feed it to her if she doesn't?
 
Minka has been Hyper T for about five years. She had a tumor removed from her thyroid two years ago, but it didn't completely solve the imbalance, so she's on a low dose of Felimazole and has had NO problems caused by her HyperT since. It is generally easily controlled by the medication, which is a small tablet and easy to give. Please assure your sister that the HyperT is the least of her problems. Getting Pixie eating is number 1, then getting her eating the right kinds of foods is next. Getting her on the meds should be a slam dunk. Sending lots of appy and healing vines for her.
 
Vyktors Mum said:
I think the radioactive treatment is out once there are problems with the kidneys :(

Sending tonnes of appy and feel better vines for Pixie and hugs for everyone else :bighug::bighug::bighug: I hope she eats the friskies. Can your sister try to assist feed it to her if she doesn't?
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The vet she met today said that she didn't think the I-131 treatment would be an option for many reasons...her age, temperament, kidney function, expense. I was just curious...for sh*ts and giggles. Pixie did eat some Friskies which made us very happy to get something in her belly. And I sent Susan the "assist feed" videos with Toady and she said that if it came to that, she'd do what she had to do. Praying that it doesn't come to that. I'm afraid sub-q fluids will be super traumatic for my sister. Actually, I think she'll be fine, but she's worried that either she won't be able to do it or Pixie will get really nasty.
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She'll never know until she tries.
 
Tricia, thank you! All good things to know and I'll pass along to my sister. And I agree...just need to get her eating right now! :cat:
 
I agree the least of her worries is the hyperT. Although it's ideal to treat it as soon as it's diagnosed, right now the priority is eating and getting the kidney numbers down.
 
Tiger and Ruth said:
I forgot to say on my other post, if Pixie is difficult to pill(which was why we opted for I-131) I am pretty sure you can do Tapazole as a transdermal, it looks easier than pilling.
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Thank you, Ruth. Most likely, she will opt for the transdermal. In fact, I think she asked the vet today about it but it takes a day or two for the pharmacies to make it?! She'll get more information soon...I think once she starts comprehending all of this craziness. o_O
 
Marje and Gracie said:
I agree the least of her worries is the hyperT. Although it's ideal to treat it as soon as it's diagnosed, right now the priority is eating and getting the kidney numbers down.
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I'm so glad that I am on this board and that you all are so amazing and knowledgeable. I don't know where I'd be without you all. And I'm super glad that I gave her "good" advice about getting Pixie to eat. I'm not an expert on any of this, but I know I have read so many times about kitties not eating and all the damage that will do. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!
 
{{{Deborah}}} We are all lucky to have each other. I think most, if not all of us, can tell a story about some way the people on this board have provided much needed help and advice. In my case, they not only saved Cinco's life and my sanity, but they've helped me tremendously with my Civvies. I think we all have a pay-it-forward mentality now. It makes me so happy when I can contribute something that helps someone else so I don't feel like all I do is take. Plus, we are all cat lovers! You have lots of people sending vines and prayers for Pixie. Tell you sister we are here for her, too! :bighug:
 
Having her a bit Hypper-T briefly may actually help her kidneys a little bit by pushing the blood through them faster/more often.
 
Sending tons of prayers for both Shasta and Pixie. With Shasta, it could be worth trying to give her food without the supplements and see how she does. Trix can be hit or miss with me adding stuff into her food - some days she tolerates it more than others. I've done tests...when she rejects a plate of food that has a supplement in it, I'll give her a plate from the same can without anything mixed in, and 9 times out of 10 she'll go for it more enthusiastically that the original plate with the supplement. Other days, she doesn't seem to mind the supplements....no rhyme or reason that I can figure, but she IS a cat after all!
 
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