3/6 Tweety AMPS 295 +5 62 Libre 84 Relion +5.5 53 +6 86 +7 84 PMPS 269

Teya and Tweety

Teya and Tweety

Member Since 2024
See below, Bhooma helped me in my 911.

The reason for my panic was the rapid rate at which she was dropping. Plus even after Fancy Feast high carb 12% she still went down to 53 15 minutes later.

NOTE her Relion read 20 higher.

What on earth would have happened if I was not here?! That really scares me.

Now to get vet on board with reduction and get her antibiotics. They'll do a capsule now which won't be fun but better than what happened yesterday.

Guys, I'm stressed to the max. I know this seems normal but it's not yet for me. :(




*** original post with 911 ****

Ugh. Not sure what's happening.

Gave normal snack 30 minutes ago. She dropped even more.

5 minutes ago handheld 84 Libre 62.

Gave higher carb wet food about 1/4 can. *** How much and how often high carb food?**

Acting normal and eating.

Anything I should be watching for or doing?? NERVE WRACKING and in tears watching it go down so quickly.

https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/thr...134-5-147-pmps-146-1-149.287378/#post-3158934
 
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Teya and Tweety said:
Gave higher carb wet food about 1/4 can. *** How much and how often high carb food?**
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It's late in the cycle and 84 is a very safe number - at the higher end of the normal range. You don't need to carb her up.

Congrats on the reduction! You would go down to 1.25U from tonight.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
It's late in the cycle and 84 is a very safe number - at the higher end of the normal range. You don't need to carb her up.

Congrats on the reduction! You would go down to 1.25U from tonight.
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But she keeps going down. She's at 53 now. I've given her a good half can or so now. I'll stop by oh I'm scared. It went down so fast. I'll update SS so you can see.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
On the Libre? How long after the higher carb food? Food takes 20 mins to affect numbers. What carb% was the food?
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Yes, it's on the Libre. But handheld was reading about 20 higher. She's been given a snack early at 10:30 lower normal carb. Then 12% carb canned at 11 and again 11:15. She's still reading at 55 now. I feel she should go up by now. She's not rising.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
She's in safe numbers. You want her to spend time in green. I know it can be scary, but you need to worry only if she drops below 50 on a meter.
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OK Bhooma, I'll try to stop worrying. My biggest concern is when it just keeps dropping and quickly. I don't understand. Why does that happen? She was doing so well. We finally saw blue and green and then this. It's discouraging. Plus her vet who I love doesn't like reducing and increasing back and forth. She wants to stick to one dose. So she's not going to like my dropping it, but I feel it's best.
Thank you sooo much for the quickly reply. I'll take off the 911.
 
Teya and Tweety said:
My biggest concern is when it just keeps dropping and quickly. I don't understand. Why does that happen?
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The higher numbers you saw last night was her bouncing from the greens she saw on the night of 3/4. This morning she decided to clear the bounce and bounce clearing cycles have extra downward momentum, so you can see numbers fall sharply. Did she get food in the first 4 hours of the cycle?

Teya and Tweety said:
She was doing so well. We finally saw blue and green and then this. It's discouraging
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She is doing well! Her body is not used to the lower numbers, which is why you are seeing some bouncing, but she's clearing bounces quickly - which is good!

Teya and Tweety said:
Plus her vet who I love doesn't like reducing and increasing back and forth. She wants to stick to one dose. So she's not going to like my dropping it, but I feel it's best.
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Makes me wonder how much the vet knows about FD! How low would she like her numbers to drop before allowing a reduction? If you are following SLGS. a reduction was earned below 90. With TR, you would hold the dose and reduce if she dropped below 50. I would go by the numbers on the meter rather than the Libre for dosing decisions.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
The higher numbers you saw last night was her bouncing from the greens she saw on the night of 3/4. This morning she decided to clear the bounce and bounce clearing cycles have extra downward momentum, so you can see numbers fall sharply. Did she get food in the first 4 hours of the cycle?

Yes, she did get the rest of her breakfast as she often eats most bit leaves a bit I'll always give it to her at+2 to be constant. At+5 she gets a snack but I gave early since she was rocketing downward.

She is doing well! Her body is not used to the lower numbers, which is why you are seeing some bouncing, but she's clearing bounces quickly - which is good!

Well I'm glad you're happy, it brings me comfort because it scared me today. Not as bad as before. I didn't overreact either. No honey no kibble as before. Plus?? I finally ear tested her myself. Per the ear she was 73 at her lowest.

Makes me wonder how much the vet knows about FD! How low would she like her numbers to drop before allowing a reduction? If you are following SLGS. a reduction was earned below 90. With TR, you would hold the dose and reduce if she dropped below 50. I would go by the numbers on the meter rather than the Libre for dosing decisions.
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Well her cat was diabetic and she held one dose and spot checked him based on behavior, etc. He lived to be 24 and I really do trust her. She wants her lowest to be 70 and highest 150 in a perfect world bit willbe OK with 250 being highest. She doesn't know what SLGS or TR are and honestly I just picked one when I joined because I knew I had to. I "switched" back to SLGS since my vet wanted to hold the dose at 1.5u and I didn't want to confuse folks on the board as to why I wasn't changing her dose. I'm not sure if what my vet wants to do fits either of those. So I'm not sure what to do if I'm being honest. Especially now. So if we were on TR though she probably would have had this episode way sooner as we'd have just increased to 2u which clearly would be too much. So I'm just confused in general on dosing and why.

She just dropped from 86 to 66 in 20 minutes. I don't get it. Why would she go down again? Do I just wait these things out?
 
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She wants her lowest to be 70 and highest 150 in a perfect world bit willbe OK with 250 being highest.
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So then the 53 today would earn a reduction per the method followed by your vet?


Teya and Tweety said:
She doesn't know what SLGS or TR are and honestly I just picked one when I joined because I knew I had to. I "switched" back to SLGS since my vet wanted to hold the dose at 1.5u and I didn't want to confuse folks on the board as to why I wasn't changing her dose. I'm not sure if what my vet wants to do fits either of those.
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Just put "Dosing as per vet's advice" in your Signature and SS rather than TR or SLGS.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
So then the 53 today would earn a reduction per the method followed by your vet?

Ibelieve it would. I'm going to ask her based on Libre readings we should do a reduction. Since that's what she's using and basing it on. My personal knowledge though, knows that the handheld reads about 20 higher. So even if we meet halfway and said it is 10 higher she'd get a reduction. So hopefully she'll be on board.

Tweety is going all over right now with the Libre alarms going crazy. She going between 60s and 80s so it keeps going off. Strange to bounce around that much.


Just put "Dosing as per vet's advice" in your Signature and SS rather than TR or SLGS.
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OK I'll do that... thank you for your help. It's deeply appreciated..:bighug:
*** She is at 59 now. Should I give her more food??***
 
Teya and Tweety said:
Tweety is going all over right now with the Libre alarms going crazy. She going between 60s and 80s so it keeps going off. Strange to bounce around that much.
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I've seen numbers bob up and down quite a bit with the Libre. Could you set an alarm for lower? Like 50 or 55?
 
Nothing intelligent to add, but watching this exchange with great interest.

Sending good wishes, Teya and Tweety.
 
Bandit's Mom said:
I've seen numbers bob up and down quite a bit with the Libre. Could you set an alarm for lower? Like 50 or 55?
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I'll try that. I thought only 70 bit let me check again. She's at 59 now... she should be higher after nearly a can of food. I cannot imagine if I were not home. That scares me so much.
 
I think you said you fed 12%. That’s not hc. It’s mc. You don’t need to give hc unless the BG is under 50. Are those all Libre numbers? It tends to read lower in lower numbers. The Libre seems to add to the stress when not used to green unfortunately. Deep breaths. If you were following TR we would safe nice surf. Did you feed more 12% after the last test? I’d record what you fed in the comments section for the next time this happens. You are doing great.
 
tiffmaxee said:
I think you said you fed 12%. That’s not hc. It’s mc. You don’t need to give hc unless the BG is under 50. Are those all Libre numbers? It tends to read lower in lower numbers. The Libre seems to add to the stress when not used to green unfortunately. Deep breaths. If you were following TR we would safe nice surf. Did you feed more 12% after the last test? I’d record what you fed in the comments section for the next time this happens. You are doing great.
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Oh no... guess that is why she has barely gone up? :( Great. Shoot. I better go get something higher. I read that the Beef Grilled in Gravy Fancy Feast was higher carbs so maybe I added it wrong? I will check again to make sure. Her Libre read 62 and her handheld read 84. The other night it was about 20 lower on the Libre as well. So I think that is the case - it runs low or does the handheld run high?! Not sure which to trust but most people here think the handheld (also human meter) is correct. I am following vet guidelines for dosing which seem to be somewhat between TR and SLGS as the vet does not know what that means and really wants to stcik with one dose. She wants Tweety between 70-150 or max 250 on bad days. I really like ad trust her but definitely want to talk about the reduction or not. If we are not strictly following any plan (per the vet) I guess I will do what she says. If it is in alignment with TR that makes me feel somewhat better, in fact I think her overall philosophy is more aligned with TR just not as often with increases. She thinks dropping is ok so long as it was not dangerous. I don't think she will find this dangerous. Meanwhile I am a total mess. All I can think about is if I were at work, what would happen? This came on FAST. :(
 
If you need higher carbs at any time
Med and High Carb food



Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Gourmet Beef Feast in Gravy 20% High Carbs

Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Gourmet Chicken Feast in Gravy 15% Med Carbs

Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Turkey Feast in Gravy 15% Med Carbs

Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Chicken and Beef in Gravy 15% Med Carbs

Good idea to mark the cans with magic marker how many carbs

Or any on the food chart. Doesn't have to be Fancy Feast just an example about the med and high carb foods

What you fed was the
Fancy Feast Grilled Beef in Gravy ,I see that on your SS in the remarks section that is 12% carbs
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
If you need higher carbs at any time
Med and High Carb food



Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Gourmet Beef Feast in Gravy 20% High Carbs

Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Gourmet Chicken Feast in Gravy 15% Med Carbs

Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Turkey Feast in Gravy 15% Med Carbs

Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers Chicken and Beef in Gravy 15% Med Carbs

Good idea to mark the cans with magic marker how many carbs

Or any on the food chart. Doesn't have to be Fancy Feast just an example about the med and high carb foods
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Ohhhhhhh now i see... I do NOT have Gravy Lovers. I am going out to get these today. THANK YOU:bighug: Just Grilled Beef Feast in Gravy is all I have.
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
10% and under is low carb
11% -15 is medium carbs.

16- 24 is high carb.
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:( I was giving her low carb... this is adding up super low. Makes no sense. It says it is 3.3% this time when I do the math and the 1st time it was 12%.

protein 11
fat 1.5
fiber 1.5
ash 2.7
moisture 80
taurine .5

what a bummer. no wonder she is only at 80 after all that. Bhooma said I did not need to carb load her though which makes me feel better.
 
I’m glad you figured this out. Should make you feel a little better. Our methods were formulated using a human hand held meter so that’s what works best and most trusted by most of us.
 
tiffmaxee said:
I’m glad you figured this out. Should make you feel a little better. Our methods were formulated using a human hand held meter so that’s what works best and most trusted by most of us.
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I hope things start to get less scary. It's the rapid drop that scares me most. I'm going to get the Gravy Lovers shortly to have on hand. I'm also glad to know this Libre reads low by 20. So that will help with future readings. Again, my fear is wondering what could have happened if I didn't know and wasn't home. She was playful and fine. But without food intervention, it scares me so much. Thank you for your help. I really deeply appreciate it.:bighug:
 
You did a great job today, Teya. Hope you and Tweety are doing ok at this point. I know that was scary, you handled it very well. big hugs to both of you :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Staci & Ivy said:
You did a great job today, Teya. Hope you and Tweety are doing ok at this point. I know that was scary, you handled it very well. big hugs to both of you :bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Thank you so much Staci, I appreciate it. My vet has not replied yet - I know she is seeing patients all day. So I guess I will reduce her dose. I can always go back to 1.5 tomorrow. We are not exactly TR or SLGS as she has Tweety's low at 70. But, I will be clarifying. I am tapped for sure, between the UTI medication debacle and now this today. Doing the best I can though! Thank you again so much. :bighug:
 
tiffmaxee said:
I think you said you fed 12%. That’s not hc. It’s mc. You don’t need to give hc unless the BG is under 50. Are those all Libre numbers? It tends to read lower in lower numbers. The Libre seems to add to the stress when not used to green unfortunately. Deep breaths. If you were following TR we would safe nice surf. Did you feed more 12% after the last test? I’d record what you fed in the comments section for the next time this happens. You are doing great.
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Say... @tiffmaxee do you mean if we were TR she would not get a reduction? I have not yet heard from her vet on what to do. So I am going to have to decide on my own very soon.
 
tiffmaxee said:
It looks like you were doing SLGS and now plan to do Custom Dosing based upon your vet. @Staci & Ivy So based upon that the reduction was earned.
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Yes, I held at SLGS as at the most recent appointment my vet didn't want to make any adjustments. So I need to find out what she wants to do. At 70 as her preferred low, we're right in the middle of both. I reduced anyway to 1.25 though and will change if she gets back to me to say she wants me to. Thank you for clarifying for Staci.
 
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