3/14 DAVIDSON PMPS 90 +9 53 +10 78

Status
Not open for further replies.
Shawna & Davidson (GA)

Shawna & Davidson (GA)

Member Since 2014
Have a GREAT day!

16.53 lbs.........lost 1/4 lb............haha, he is eating a lot less then what he is supposed to be eating according to the feeding specs on the cans of FF, just a bit of baby fat!!
 
Re: 3/14 DAVIDSON AMPS 82 +4 62

AHHHHHH, Davidson had me worried there for a bit wondering if he was going higher as his AMPS was high compared to the last wee..............but, he pulled off a +1 62 so still in line for remission hopefully in the near future.

QUESTION: I've seen other SS where they are OFJ and the numbers are much higher then Davidson's are.........so wondering why they are OTJ with numbers that are in the blue and high greens? Davidson has been primarily in the green since Feb 11th and just wondering when I actually take him right off? Not sure what a TRIAL OTJ is, and just curious.

I'll be continuing his shots until he drops to not needing any insulin and that's only a few weeks away the way he's been going.........just curious more then anything and looking to further educate myself to the next level.

Thanks

Shawna
 
Re: 3/14 DAVIDSON AMPS 82 +4 62

As long as the vast majority of numbers are in the "normal" range (50-120) they can be considered "diet controlled diabetics" (OTJ)

Every once in awhile they might throw a higher number, but as long as they return back to normal, it's not something to worry about.

You just keep dropping Davidson's dose by .25 each week he remains in normal numbers. When you're down to only giving .25, we usually suggest you do at least one more week at .1 unit and we might even want you to give 1 drop for another week. We want them to get into a strong remission so they're more likely to stay there.

Keep doing what you're doing, and I see a trial in his future in 4-6 weeks! What a wonderful goal for both of you!

The actual trial begins when you're not giving any insulin at all. If he stays in normal numbers for 14 days, he's OTJ...and we get to PAR TEE!!!
 
Re: 3/14 DAVIDSON AMPS 82 +4 62 +6 72

Just looked and Davidson has been under 90 for 95% of the time for the last 30 days..........now we can PAR TEE...............well not exactly as I'm going out tonight so H&D will have to wait. :roll:
 
Re: 3/14 DAVIDSON AMPS 82 +4 62 +6 72

QUESTION: I've seen other SS where they are OFJ and the numbers are much higher then Davidson's are.........so wondering why they are OTJ with numbers that are in the blue and high greens? Davidson has been primarily in the green since Feb 11th and just wondering when I actually take him right off?
Click to expand...

Shawna,

Those higher greens and low blues are still within the range for a normal non-diabetic cat, 40-120.

The insulin that you are still giving to Davidson is what is helping him to stay in those lower green numbers. It's also giving his pancreas plenty of time to heal and create new beta cells to produce insulin on his own.

Yes, some cats that are OTJ do get some higher numbers than Davidson is getting now. But remember, those cats are producing all the insulin needed on their own. No supplemental shots. Maybe some days, those cats exercised a bit more or a bit less. Or they ate a slightly higher carb food or didn't eat as much or ate more. Or perhaps they slept more than usual. We can never tell what is making their numbers vary from day to day. Maybe one day, they produce a bit more or less insulin. Plus, there is always the 20% +/- meter variance.

Wink is one of those cats that has been OTJ for a while. He just celebrated his OTJ 1 year anniversary recently. Occasionally, he'll throw me a higher blue number, and I do a food test at around +3 to see that his BG levels are coming down after the food.

I also don't test anywhere near as often as you are doing right now. Once a week is about as frequently as I test unless I get a higher number. If I tested more often, I might see some better numbers or I might see some higher numbers. It's partially chance, to test as infrequently as I do and see a high number. It's one reason I mix up the testing, sometimes doing an AM test, other times a PM test and switch up the days that I test. It's also why I try to test at least once a week. Just want to make sure he's doing well with his stay at the Falls.

Not sure what a TRIAL OTJ is, and just curious
Click to expand...
An OTJ trial is once you get the insulin dose down to as small as you can measure, and can't give any tinier amount, you stop the insulin completely. If after 14 days, with most of the BG numbers in the normal range, 40-120, and most of those numbers under 100, that you have successfully passed the OTJ trial.

Does that help answer your questions?
 
Re: 3/14 DAVIDSON PMPS 90

Thanks Deb.........good explanation.

Davidson had a PMPS a bit higher perhaps cuz this is the first time I didn't take the food away as I just got home..............had to go out and feed he and Harley at 4:30 and left the food out until now..........oh well, still GREEN!!!

Have a great night!

Shawna
 
Re: 3/14 DAVIDSON PMPS 90

Actually, we look at normal range at 50 - 120. Numbers below 50 don't give you much of a margin of safety if your cat is still getting insulin. With a cat that's not getting insulin (i.e., OTJ), the numbers are what the numbers are.

One other factor to consider when you're looking at OTJ spreadsheets -- What meter is the person using? If an AlphaTrack is the meter, the normal range extends 30 points higher (i.e., 80 - 150). Since the SSs are coded for a human meter, you will see more blues than with a human based glucometer.
 
Re: 3/14 DAVIDSON PMPS 90

Wow, what a beautiful spreadsheet! I'd say Davidson is definitely on track to be OTJ in the next month or so! Just keep doing what you're doing, testing several times a cycle so you don't miss a reduction-earning number. I'm not sending any vines because it looks like you're doing just fine on your own! :-D
 
Re: 3/14 DAVIDSON PMPS 90 +9 53

haha - no vines for Davidson............

he just surprised me with a +9 53 and he did that cuz today is Day 6 and he may want a reduction tonight instead of tomorrow night.....Silly Guy, he pulled that stunt last week too!

Problem is I have to leave at 10:30 which is an hour after AMS and won't be here for 5 hrs to test him so I think this time I will NOT SHOOT just to be safe since his numbers is low now. I will testy at +10 and maybe +11 to see what he goes to and then again at AMPS...........if he is still fairly low according to my notes then I will pass on this mornings shot........if he rises to a number I am comfortable with I will give him the shot. Remember ECID and so are each owner, and I am very familiar with Davidson and just have to wait to see what he does but most likely will not shoot..................he's never had a low number like this at this time in the morning.

ALL GOOD................ :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: as it means things are healing well with so many hours past the last shot.

Shawna
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top