Delma and Frank
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OK then , guess the bounce is still in town.....
3/13 Frank AMPS 410, +5.5 279, PMPS 372, +3 332
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Delma and Frank
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- still bouncing!?
I was looking/learning at other's SS and i see that Frank's bouncing may never end. Another cat here (JD) looks like he has been bouncing for a year now.....
Are there other insulins?? when do you take the plunge and say maybe lantus isn't right for my cat?
I was, obviously foolishly, hoping Frank was going to settle and start healing from the weakness he is experiencing in his back legs. This is so insane........sigh
I was looking/learning at other's SS and i see that Frank's bouncing may never end. Another cat here (JD) looks like he has been bouncing for a year now.....
Are there other insulins?? when do you take the plunge and say maybe lantus isn't right for my cat?
I was, obviously foolishly, hoping Frank was going to settle and start healing from the weakness he is experiencing in his back legs. This is so insane........sigh
Lynn and Angel
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
Delma, Sorry you've got a bouncer. Angel has been on Lantus since July and is still bouncing. For most cats it takes a while ... for some like mine and J.D. ... well it seems to be a way of life for them. Hopefully, it's still too early to tell about Frank and he'll settle down nicely for you at some point. Be patient.
Oh and have you started him on Methyl B-12? It helps with the neuropathy but again takes a couple months to become effective. You'll also see some improvement just with better nos. Angel had it pretty bad in one hind leg but now is much better. He's certainly not regulated but a year on M B-12 and spending at least some time in blue and green have helped alot with that.
Delma, Sorry you've got a bouncer. Angel has been on Lantus since July and is still bouncing. For most cats it takes a while ... for some like mine and J.D. ... well it seems to be a way of life for them. Hopefully, it's still too early to tell about Frank and he'll settle down nicely for you at some point. Be patient.
Oh and have you started him on Methyl B-12? It helps with the neuropathy but again takes a couple months to become effective. You'll also see some improvement just with better nos. Angel had it pretty bad in one hind leg but now is much better. He's certainly not regulated but a year on M B-12 and spending at least some time in blue and green have helped alot with that.
Ronnie & Luna
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
Yesterdays condo for Frank
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8914&p=88845#p88845
I would say the Lantus is working nicely on Frank - look at yesterday!
Just cuz you see bouncing doesn't mean it's not working - patience the dreaded word around here :lol: , but it does work!
Yesterdays condo for Frank
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8914&p=88845#p88845
I would say the Lantus is working nicely on Frank - look at yesterday!
Just cuz you see bouncing doesn't mean it's not working - patience the dreaded word around here :lol: , but it does work!
Delma and Frank
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
what's Methyl B-12....and where do I get it...?how much/often would I give?
Lynn and Angel said:
what's Methyl B-12....and where do I get it...?how much/often would I give?
Delma and Frank
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
I WAS happy yesterday..he had great BGs! Seeing his PM BGs, I thought he was going to bounce. Ok, everyone says a week maybe, but some cats never stop bouncing. I would think it's hard on a cat's body when BGs are 100 then 400 in 24 hrs...several times or more a week. Is lantus really working when the BGs are bouncing all over the place like this?
Ronnie & Luna said:
I WAS happy yesterday..he had great BGs! Seeing his PM BGs, I thought he was going to bounce. Ok, everyone says a week maybe, but some cats never stop bouncing. I would think it's hard on a cat's body when BGs are 100 then 400 in 24 hrs...several times or more a week. Is lantus really working when the BGs are bouncing all over the place like this?
Hillary & Maui (GA)
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
hi - here's where I got the methyl b12 from:
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-B12-Methylc ... 0-Capsules
I mixed 1 capsule daily into Maui's wet food.
I like this one, as it has no flavors, tastes, or sugars.
There are other brands and types out there, but I felt this was the purest.
hope it helps.
hi - here's where I got the methyl b12 from:
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-B12-Methylc ... 0-Capsules
I mixed 1 capsule daily into Maui's wet food.
I like this one, as it has no flavors, tastes, or sugars.
There are other brands and types out there, but I felt this was the purest.
hope it helps.
Lynn and Angel
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
If you search methyl b-12 on this board
search.php?fid[]=9
so you can see where a lot of people mention using it for neuropathy. You might want to read up on it and make your own decision about trying. Most vets have not heard of it and don't know about the benefits. Mine was disinterested when I toke her a print out about it. It HAS to be methylcobalimine not just plain B-12. I buy mine from Vitacost but there are several brands and flavors and strengths.
Oh and here's the link I read that started me using MB-12:
http://www.laurieulrich.com/jasper/
Hope you find this helpful!
If you search methyl b-12 on this board
search.php?fid[]=9
so you can see where a lot of people mention using it for neuropathy. You might want to read up on it and make your own decision about trying. Most vets have not heard of it and don't know about the benefits. Mine was disinterested when I toke her a print out about it. It HAS to be methylcobalimine not just plain B-12. I buy mine from Vitacost but there are several brands and flavors and strengths.
Oh and here's the link I read that started me using MB-12:
http://www.laurieulrich.com/jasper/
Hope you find this helpful!
Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
Delma:
Frank is doing great. Bounces are all part of getting Frank's liver trained and are, fundamentally, a good thing. First, the bounce is Frank's way of protecting himself. It's natural response to what his body perceives as a "dangerously" low BG level. You need to keep in mind that Frank was probably diabetic for a while before he was diagnosed. As a result, his body got used to higher BG levels. Now that he's being treated, his body needs to re-acclimate to healthy, normal numbers. While this is going on, his liver is going to get the message that numbers are lower and dump glucose and counter-regulatory hormones into his system to prevent hypoglycemia. This is his body's way of protecting itself. It also means that it takes some pressure off of the pancreas. If Frank's pancreas were constantly "on" in an effort to keep numbers down at all times, he would probably burn out the healthy cells that are there and are still producing endogenous insulin. So, in a sense, the bounces are a good thing.
Frank has been on insulin about 6 weeks. That's a very short time. It's very hard for us to see the bounces. I know if I could control Gabby's progress, it would be a lot faster and she is a drama queen when it comes to bouncing. But, it does get better. The bounces will be less frequent and will clear more and more quickly. Frank will make progress in Liver Training School (LTS) and you will feel less like tearing out your hair if you keep reminding yourself that Frank is going to do this at his own pace regardless of which insulin you use.
I use the same methyl-B12 that Hillary does. (She sent me the link a while ago, too.) There seems to be a trade off across brands. The one I use contains a little bit of rice flour and it's in a capsule which is easy to open and dump into food. Other brands are tablets that you have to crush and contain some sugar. I would suggest you not use the liquids. There is one liquid that I came across but I think it contained glycerin which is is not good for kitties.
Delma:
Frank is doing great. Bounces are all part of getting Frank's liver trained and are, fundamentally, a good thing. First, the bounce is Frank's way of protecting himself. It's natural response to what his body perceives as a "dangerously" low BG level. You need to keep in mind that Frank was probably diabetic for a while before he was diagnosed. As a result, his body got used to higher BG levels. Now that he's being treated, his body needs to re-acclimate to healthy, normal numbers. While this is going on, his liver is going to get the message that numbers are lower and dump glucose and counter-regulatory hormones into his system to prevent hypoglycemia. This is his body's way of protecting itself. It also means that it takes some pressure off of the pancreas. If Frank's pancreas were constantly "on" in an effort to keep numbers down at all times, he would probably burn out the healthy cells that are there and are still producing endogenous insulin. So, in a sense, the bounces are a good thing.
Frank has been on insulin about 6 weeks. That's a very short time. It's very hard for us to see the bounces. I know if I could control Gabby's progress, it would be a lot faster and she is a drama queen when it comes to bouncing. But, it does get better. The bounces will be less frequent and will clear more and more quickly. Frank will make progress in Liver Training School (LTS) and you will feel less like tearing out your hair if you keep reminding yourself that Frank is going to do this at his own pace regardless of which insulin you use.
I use the same methyl-B12 that Hillary does. (She sent me the link a while ago, too.) There seems to be a trade off across brands. The one I use contains a little bit of rice flour and it's in a capsule which is easy to open and dump into food. Other brands are tablets that you have to crush and contain some sugar. I would suggest you not use the liquids. There is one liquid that I came across but I think it contained glycerin which is is not good for kitties.
Delma and Frank
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
to bring everyone up-to-date:
Frank was diagnosed 1 yr 8 months ago when I saw him lose his balance and took him to the vet.. First we used humilin, which he didn't respond to. Next was vetsulin, eventually...(and I mean took forever), he was doing ok(ish) with nadir ranging from 80 to 200. However, remember this was much shorter lasting insulin. Then they discontinued vetsulin and here we are. I had hoped he would respond better and quicker to Lantus, but I guess it is his history to take forever to adjust. Guess I'll just have to wait it out. What a lesson in patience.
Thanks Sienne, for the effort in explaining this all to me. It helps.
to bring everyone up-to-date:
Frank was diagnosed 1 yr 8 months ago when I saw him lose his balance and took him to the vet.. First we used humilin, which he didn't respond to. Next was vetsulin, eventually...(and I mean took forever), he was doing ok(ish) with nadir ranging from 80 to 200. However, remember this was much shorter lasting insulin. Then they discontinued vetsulin and here we are. I had hoped he would respond better and quicker to Lantus, but I guess it is his history to take forever to adjust. Guess I'll just have to wait it out. What a lesson in patience.
Thanks Sienne, for the effort in explaining this all to me. It helps.
PeterDevonMocha
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
I'm sorry you got a bouncing kitty cat. I do as well, and it is hard, and frustrating. I have been told cat's don't mind it the way we think they do, when they bounce, but I'm not sure if that is true or not. I always feel bad for mocha. She can start out the day near 400 and by the end of the day, be sitting in the 30's. But each day is a new day, and we keep trudging on.
I'm sorry you got a bouncing kitty cat. I do as well, and it is hard, and frustrating. I have been told cat's don't mind it the way we think they do, when they bounce, but I'm not sure if that is true or not. I always feel bad for mocha. She can start out the day near 400 and by the end of the day, be sitting in the 30's. But each day is a new day, and we keep trudging on.
squeem3
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
Squishy Merlin was a bouncy cat, too. Occasionally he would have stretches of good flat bgs but most of the time he kept jumping onhis trampoline with moon shoes on. We tried both Lantus and Levemir but Merlin just liked bouncing :roll: You have to focus on the whole cat, not just the bgs. Merlin was fine despite all his bg bouncing. He was happy and spoiled cat_pet_icon
Squishy Merlin was a bouncy cat, too. Occasionally he would have stretches of good flat bgs but most of the time he kept jumping onhis trampoline with moon shoes on. We tried both Lantus and Levemir but Merlin just liked bouncing :roll: You have to focus on the whole cat, not just the bgs. Merlin was fine despite all his bg bouncing. He was happy and spoiled cat_pet_icon
Larry and Kitties
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
My Bailey has been bouncing around for all the 6+ years I have dad him. I think some cats are just that way. I have changed insulins as well as doses. Sometimes PS' are in the 400's and sometimes double digits.
My Bailey has been bouncing around for all the 6+ years I have dad him. I think some cats are just that way. I have changed insulins as well as doses. Sometimes PS' are in the 400's and sometimes double digits.
Delma and Frank
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410- will Frank ever stop the bounce?
thanks for your thoughts and encouragement.
thanks for your thoughts and encouragement.
Libby and Lucy
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Re: 3/13 Frank AMPS 410, +5.5 279, PMPS 372
((((Delma)))) don't worry, Frank is doing very well at this stage of the game. I see the bouncing as a good thing, because it means that he is responding to the insulin well enough to get numbers that are good enough to make him bounce. You will see the bounces get lower and shorter. How long does that take? Unfortunately every cat is different, so there's no way to know. Probably it will take Frank a little longer than the cats that are newly diagnosed and started out on Lantus as their first insulin. But maybe not. We just have to give him however much time he needs.
((((Delma)))) don't worry, Frank is doing very well at this stage of the game. I see the bouncing as a good thing, because it means that he is responding to the insulin well enough to get numbers that are good enough to make him bounce. You will see the bounces get lower and shorter. How long does that take? Unfortunately every cat is different, so there's no way to know. Probably it will take Frank a little longer than the cats that are newly diagnosed and started out on Lantus as their first insulin. But maybe not. We just have to give him however much time he needs.
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