3/1 Shadoe pmps 461 +5~400 +6~302 +7~313

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Yesterday’s Condo

Yesterday's recap:
459 - amps (105L & .5R)
347 - +1
322 - +2
319 - +3
279 - +4
346 - +9
362 - pmps (11L &.5R)
259 - +1
293 - +2
214 - +3
121 - +4
135 - +5
182 - +6
409 - today`s amps 11L ONLY

Well it was a good little run of numbers while it lasted.
I am starting to think there is something to this moon business; both times Shadoe`s gone low bloo, it was just after the full moon - on JAN01 after the Dec31 full moon and yesterday. I`ll tell you one thing - I don`t want to wait till the next full moon for some more bloo!

This morn, Shadoe woke me up with some yelling which continued after I got up. I figured that must mean she was feeling anxious for her shot because she would be testing high. What I take from all this is that she is finally liking red much less!

Yes! There was a day when Shadoe acted happy and very content with her pink and red numbers, but now, it`s like she is realizing that those red and pink numbers don`t feel as good as those fleeting lower numbers! This observation makes me very happy :-D

Not much else to say right now. Shadoe is all stretched out looking quite happy now that she`s had her shot and nibbled at a bit of breakfast.
I`ll be calling the vets before 730am to tell them I want the two numbers and ranges for each. Also, if the test results are not available, I want to know why.

With this high amps, I would have loved to give some R, but I kept hearing this voice in the back of my head yelling `HALT` :YMSIGH: yes, Carolyn, I am listening. I still think that it should be OK considering I have seen what she does with the bits I have given her - it`s just a phffffst, and then it`s gone. but I will wait until I can know more about R and how I can use it safely for Shadoe.

It`s now time to get going to work; no testing till just before pmps tonite.

YEAH CANADA!!!
(I had to throw that in, being Canadian and happy with the Olympics)

Pats and scratches to all the kitties today and no crazy surprises for the beans.
 
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Good morning,Gayle!
YEAH for Canada too!
So Shadow is happy it's Monday and more snooozing with no poking!
You have nice day at BP! Good luck with vet result!
 
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Those yellows and blues are doing the trick...teaching Shadoe what really feels good. As usual Gayle, you're doing great! Such a good mama bean!!!
 
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Nice blues last night.
Have a good day at tbp, and good luck with the vets today.
 
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Are You still at work,Gayle?
Just want to 'bump' Your post ,because it was burried on the bottom.
 
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Thanks Bo :smile:

So, the vet saga continues. Still no results :shock:

I did not feel well at work so went to the dr and got a call while there.
Apparently, they found an even dumber person to call me, or she drew the short straw. She called the Michigan lab and still no results. She mumbled something about they don't have the results and she mentioned some kind of number but no results. Naturally, I lost it.
I told her 'You call them back RIGHT NOW! You mention a number; what's the number? You don't have the number? Then why did you mention a number??? What is wrong with you? Call back and find out when I will get the results!! What date? What time?'
The poor braindead girl tried to say it was not their fault and that their office did not know much about these tests so maybe we should have been sent someplace else instead of Michigan. :shock:
I did not think I could lose it anymore but I did. I told her that she obviously was not very informed and that 'their office' should study up on this 'new condition' called feline diabetes and it would be found that 30% have these conditions, so 'their office' should be having these tests done more frequently, and I should not be the one to hand feed them on what their job entails. And as for sending the tests someplace else, well since it's the only place in N.America that performs them, where did she suggest we send them, maybe Asia or Europe? Or what about Australia? Would that be better???
She called back and the IAA will be available tomorrow after 4pm. Then she said maybe before 4 and maybe after. :shock: And the other test, IGF-1, it would be available on Mar05/10.
I paused, then said WHAT?? I will be wanting to see the Fedex receipt because we planned the draw for Sunday so it would arrive at MSU by prior to the Wednesday cutoff time and the results would be available on Friday. By your saying they will not be available until NEXT Friday tells me that YOU screwed up!! YOU did NOT get the draw there in time for the tests last week so I suffer now. She says they were there on Wed nite. Interesting that I paid for overnite Fedex for something drawn on Sunday and it takes till Wed nite to get there???
They have some explaining to do and I will save my rant for tomorrow after 4pm when I show up at 'their office' for the IAA results AND a full explanation of what went wrong.
You know, I care squat if the tests will take 2 days, or 20 days, just be professional about it and ask the most obvious question: SO WHEN WILL WE GET THE RESULTS? I mean come on! If anyone has a test sent to a lab, for a human or an animal, that's the first question you have - when will I know something?
I should ask for the Fedex ref and then I will look up the arrival time, plus the pickup time, so I can see what happened.
I have a problem with businesses that function like a kool-aid stand on the corner.
In case you have not guessed, I am a bit angry.

The upside of it all is that I got home at noon from the dr and was able to catch a +6 which was a nice yellow 225.

Only 30min till pmps. We will go ahead with the usual dose of R unless it's thought that the .5u is not enough.

Shadoe is waiting patiently for her shots; it's still early but she starts to ask for them when she is getting high or when it's about an hour before the shots. She's on her pillow waiting with one eye open and watching me ;-)
 
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Well that is an awful day. Not that it makes a difference at this point but do get the fedex
number so you can track it. Just to feel a teensy bit better, ear infection and all.
I could at least give a bigh sigh though from the silence all day.
Not like you to "disappear" and I was thinking the worst.

You are an amazing Mom to Shadoe and you are doing your very best for her.
Big hugs from Montreal.
:YMHUG:
 
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Seriously???? I can't even imagine your frustration and disappointment in this vet's office.
Did you see any new kitty antics on the new tree house that were LOL today or are they still ignoring it?
 
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Well, I'd be furious too, and ur in the right to be so. I hope u feel a bit better after letting all that out.

Heads are gonna roll if these people don't shape up, these things always seem harder to get done up here in Canada, and the waiting is ridiculous!

Hang in there, Gayle, answers are on the way.

((((hugs))))
 
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(((gayle))) i can't believe this happened! can't blame you if you're livid. you have every right to be.
i'm sorry you'll have to wait...
 
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Amy,
The treehouse has been mildly accepted by Shadoe because I have been putting her after-test treats on one of the 3 levels. She is feeling fairly OK to get up to get the treats, her belly convinced her, and she has used it twice that I have seen to scratch. She is pretty strong and so if she gets more rough with it, she may pull it over onto herself and it's not lightweight at all!
Booboo, not so much. She has looked at it, but is not impressed.

Randi, I feel the need to 'fix' this vets office, if only for the sake of animals who go here after Shadoe. They really need to step it up a notch; FD is not something rare.

Ronnie, I do feel better for letting out how this one office has acted, if only to warn others what to avoid if they have to get the tests done.

Jill,
Vets need to be educated in the normal and not so normal. Bottom line: they need to be more aware of the beans. Rest assured I will get answers.

The ear is gurgling from the drops, and the afternoon sleep helped alot with the pain. Depending how it feels in the morn, I may work or may stay home and sleep (ok, I would catch some tests too LOL).

Time for pmps now.
 
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I sure am glad I was home to catch that yellow at noon or I would be pretty down about this red pmps.

Anyways, Shadoe's fine now; she's had her shots, her snacks, and I gave her a couple fresh marinated mouse toys. They are little furry things with tails that came in a big container of catnip. I cycle them into the nip so they can be freshened up. She likes to lie on them, dunno why.

I'll get a few hourly tests, then one just before bedtime.
I need to rest up for my assault on the vets office tomorrow; I hope they are doing the same tonite haha_smiley
 
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I don't blame you for being angry. I probably would have stationed myself in the lobby of the vet's office and let loose so everyone that's sitting there could "overhear" how incompetent they were. Deep breath. Shadoe is good. No matter what the results tell you, you are doing a phenomenal job managing Shadoe's FD.
 
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((((Gayle and Shadoe)))) So sorry! It never ceases to amaze me how incompetent vets' offices are...it's just awful!
 
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(((Gayle))) You are an amazing mama bean and advocate for Shadoe. I can imagine your feelings of frustration....you are doing great......keep it up.

:YMHUG: for you ....feel better!

cat_pet_icon for Shadoe and Booboo


Sherry and Zoe
 
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Sometimes, I think this whole thing is like a tug of war; we get a good day, then she pulls back on the insulin rope and goes back to her pinks. Then we up the dose, toss in some R and we get another good cycle. Then she pulls back and yup, up to the pinks.

I was thinking about the insulin dose too; with the R, it reminds me when we first started and it felt like nothing was going in the syringe and I swear that plunger barely moved when we shot.
Now, that Lantus draw is really something. I insert the needle and pull, and pull, and pull. I look at the syringe and I am up to only 7u. So I pull and I pull, and then I pull some more.
When I finally get to that 11u mark, I stop and shudder at the thought of those really higher doses. it's a pretty sobering thought.

Ah well, something smells, coming from the LB direction. I think the R does it, what do you think?

And speaking of R, am I still sticking with the .5u? I had expected it to bringer her down more, but maybe it's the 11uL that is still too low. Sometimes I wish I had a vet that knew something about FD, something more than I know, more than I have told her.
 
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R does not make for stinky poos LOL

I hope that blood sample was not corrupt if it did not go overnight.

Levemir cart is much easier to pull from :P

Looking at your data I think you can try .75u R. You've got room and she's going back'erds. And yes, it is due to her basal dose not being where it needs to be yet.

Remember you are fighting a form of toxicity, and it will fight back. You get progress, you lose progress. Study my SS. You will see. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pkwEJXZdhGd9dugnx-MrJPw&output=html

Edited to add: It would appear I skipped right over .75 and went straight to 1u. You are the captain of this ship darlin'.. grab hold of that wheel. You know what you're doing. Don't go all crazy though, just be judicious. :)
 
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I will be asking for DETAILS on the shipment, including the freezing and departure and arrival times. If something went wrong with the sample, they should do it all again at THEIR EXPENSE. I do know that it was at MSU by Wednesday; the arrival was confirmed by phone as far as I know. We will see what they say tomorrow about it all.

As for the R, I did not want to increase and then just end up forcing Shadoe to become bouncy - she has been such a good flat surfer and I like that alot better than some of the roller coaster kitties around here!
And if it's not the R causing that stink, I want to know what is! Phew!

We are on cycle 3 of this dose, so who knows if her shed's all topped up nicely?
It looks like the R pulls down a bit by +2, then craps out, then the Lantus crawls in and tries to do something. Sometimes it wins, sometimes not. Ah well.

We will try the .75R and 11L tomorrow pm and see how it goes. Lantus goes up to 12u on Wednesday nite.

I am not expecting a positive result on the IAA, but on the off chance it is, what's that mean to our current plan of attack? Any thoughts?

Edited to add: uh yeah, I like to go with the lines, so I'll go with the 1uR tomorrow nite. I am always here and ready for any time I give R.
 
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sorry you've had to go through all this, sheesh! It will be interesting to see the tracking info, at least to know which end it got delayed on. Can't imagine MSU would have lost it when you specifically sent it to the lab...

But yellow today with no R? That's not bad!
 
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Now Gayle, you know I'm anti-bouncy, so you know I'm not gonna give you any info that encourages bouncing LOL

IAA treatment: We shoot hard and heavy til she goes green and then we shoot harder and heavier til she stays green.
Acro treatment: We aim for bloo, and avoid green
 
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Carolyn,
Last question:
The difference in approaches is invaluable info to have, but is it possible to have positive for both, and if yes, THEN what?
Aim for turquoise? :shock:
 
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Gayle and Shadoe said:
Carolyn,
Last question:
The difference in approaches is invaluable info to have, but is it possible to have positive for both, and if yes, THEN what?
Aim for turquoise? :shock:
Click to expand...

Always need to add some humour here. :smile:
If you aim for turquoise then you get to invent a new spreadsheet for us all.
 
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Short answer: I don't know

Long answer: I think if it were my cat, I'd be treating for acro and hoping the IAA was a temporary condition caused by the acro. And yes, I'd be aiming for low blue. But I'd be straight up Jojo's butt finding out just how wrong I was. :mrgreen:
 
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i asked jojo this very question last week. she told me it is possible for a kitty to have both acromegaly and IAAs.
 
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Boo tested positive for both, according to the labs.
IGF-1 407
IAA 28%
 
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It's important to inject humor when possible, but the question still stands.

Has anyone received a positive for both? I should go and look at the list in the acro thread; there was a list of the kitties, but I never looked to see if any were in both.

Jill,
UGH :sad:
 
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I think we've had 3 cats test positive for both in the last year. 2 we rarely hear from and Boo is the 3rd. I'd have to wonder if IAA is some sort of tagalong condition caused by the acro that perhaps can be defeated by treating the acro's insulin resistance instead? Just thinking.. i can't see that i'd feel safe taking any other route of treatment, we must always err on the side of functioning pancreas with acro.
 
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by the way Gayle, we've got another cat with tests in at MSU this week, results due back on Friday. Her name is Jen, posting under jmflake on here. Her cat Milo (aka The Piranha) is the one I was catsitting. Keep an eye on her results too :)
 
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I hope there's someone in the vet practice you can develop a beneficial relationship with for Shadoe's sake... If not, can you switch clinics?

(( Gayle )) For what it's worth, KB's blood draw was on 20-Jan and we didn't get our results until 3-Feb, 2009.

And yes, I think it's possible to have both IAA and Acro. There has been at least one kitty with both as I recall.
 
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Nina,
There is a very nice vet where I go but she just does not have the knowledge on FD. Despite that fact, she is more than willing to work with me and look into stuff.
Very luckily, there is another clinic, VECtoronto, which is within walking distance and is more like a place where I would need a referral from my vet. Depending on the results we get, I would very much like to get a referral, even if just for a consult. We will see once we get some results.

Carolyn,
It's interesting that more cats are being found to have both; were cats in the past being tested for only one condition but now testing is being done for both now, or is IAA becoming more common?
I will for sure watch how jmflake/Milo fare as time goes on.
I would agree with going with the acro tx path.

I don't think Shadoe's shots did much if anything tonite. She is already high pink at +4.
Is it too late to try a bit of R? even if only another .5u?
I slept all afternoon so I can stay up longer
 
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I don't know when people started testing for both but I did it when I tested Leo in January of last year so it's been going on a while.. and yeah, no reason not to shoot more R. You're in data collection mode so go forth and collect data :D And no more than 1/2u or you will not sleep tonight
 
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I don't know what will happen to her numbers, but to me, I am concerned that Shadoe seems to have totally ignored her pm shot, and it was not a fur shot.
Right or wrong, I give her shots the same every time: R first in the middle of the scruff, then half of Lantus on left and then right side of scruff. UGH, once that crumb of R fizzed at +2, her numbers began to rise.

We shall see what .5R at +5 will be able to do for Shadoe's numbers. :YMSIGH:
 
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Well, it's good to know that at least the R is working!
Funny how she likes it too and purrs quite loudly after getting a bit of R :smile:
Too bad it does not last longer than about 18minutes or so :YMSIGH:

Time for ear drops and The Daily Show with Jon Stewart
 
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...and Shadoe says "Is that the best you got?"

Nope, can't trick Mz Muscles with a sneaky lil' bit of R! oh sure, she was caught off-guard there for a moment, and I gained a drop from the highest to lowest pinks, but she's punching back up that pink ladder.
She's one tough cookie :YMSIGH:
 
Another day another dose, sometimes it fails, sometimes it's an ace in the hole.. she's gonna be fine Gayle. :) It's hard to see the forest when you're only seeing a single tree at a time. I hope your ears are feeling better. I have cicadas buzzing in mine. (((hugs)))
 
The one good thing is that she really must like R; she hums like she swallowed a whole swarm of cicadas afterwards.
R makes Shadoe a happy girlie even if for only an hour.

Will try the .75R tomorrow nite with her 11u.
Just the 11uL in the morn.
 
Gayle and Shadoe said:
The one good thing is that she really must like R; she hums like she swallowed a whole swarm of cicadas afterwards.
R makes Shadoe a happy girlie even if for only an hour.
Click to expand...

And that's the important thing - the happiness of the kitteh. :D
Can't wait to see how the dosecrease works and the new R dose too!
Ni Ni!
 
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