? 214, give or not give?

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sherrib

sherrib

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Skittles BG level is at 214 right now, should I give him one unit? He did not need any insulin yesterday or this morning.

i'm waiting to see what responses I get it before I do anything so please help me decide
Skittles has been in remission for a little over a year and I am second-guessing everything as to what to do as far as his insulin
 
Do you have U40's with half unit markings?

I see you gave .5 before so I'm assuming you know how to pull that much

Can you test again in about 2 hours after shooting?
 
Chris & China said:
Do you have U40's with half unit markings?

I see you gave .5 before so I'm assuming you know how to pull that much

Can you test again in about 2 hours after shooting?
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I did eye ball as close to a half unit as possible . I will retest in 2 hours. Will you be around then? Should I pick up his food for now? He doesn't eat much at a time, I allow my cats to free feed... I do more so with him. If I leave the food down on the floor my dog will eat it so I put it where skittles can jump up on a table and get to the food. At night I leave the food down because my dog is in bed with me and because my other cat will not jump up on The table to eat, for some reason he is scared to do it .
 
It's fine for him to eat between shots....the only time we ask that they not eat is for the 2 hours immediately before shot time so the test you get is without the influence of food

No, I can't stay for 2 hours tonight because I have to be out early to take my mom to physical therapy, but there's usually someone online to help out

Not everyone is terribly familiar with ProZinc (me included) but there's lots of us that can help keep a kitty safe if they're dropping too fast or too far

@Tricia Cinco(GA) & Harvey @Gill & George @Marje and Gracie @Wendy&Neko are all usually on later at night
 
I will only be up another hour or so, at best. Have you ever posted on the PZI group of FDMB? They can help you with dosing after tonight.

If you have a question after the next test, tag me by starting to type @Marje and Gracie. It will bring up a list for you to select my name and then it will tag me.
 
sherrib said:
How do I post to the people you listed?
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Those two post on the ProZinc forum but they also post here on the Health board

I was hoping they'd see the "tag" if they are still around or come on later

To "Tag" someone, just type the @ symbol and the first few letters of their name and a drop down list should come up for you to choose them
 
Marje and Gracie said:
I will only be up another hour or so, at best. Have you ever posted on the PZI group of FDMB? They can help you with dosing after tonight.

If you have a question after the next test, tag me by starting to type @Marje and Gracie. It will bring up a list for you to select my name and then it will tag me.
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Yes I have posted in the PZI group many times but there doesn't seem to be that much activity there anymore. Skittles has been in remission for a little over a year and has a tooth infection so he's BG levels have been up, at least that's what we hope it is not that he is completely falling out of remission just a fall out of it.
Thanks to the advice and tips that I got from everybody a year ago that is how I got skittles into remission. I have been reading along this past year and post once in a while to questions I know I can answer . BUT for some reason whenever it comes to my own pets I second-guess everything. I don't know why I do this. I actually have a lot of experience in the Animal field and have no problems helping others out but like I said I get too scared when it comes to mine. :nailbiting:
 
I was going to wait until I heard back from other people before I did anything, but is getting pretty late so I went ahead and gave a 1/2 unit. I gave him a half of a unit because he seem to have responded well to that the other day. He's just doing really weird things if you get a chance and look at his spreadsheet you can see where he had really high BG before the medication for his tooth was started, and prior to that he had really good numbers for the last year. Right now it seems like insulin is holding him for almost 2 days at a time . Isn't that so weird? And why do you think that's happening ?
 
Since the infected tooth, I don't see you giving any insulin except twice and once it was 1U instead of .5'

If 1U takes them too low, or makes it so you can't shoot every 12 hours, then you reduce the dose until you find a dose that you can safely give twice a day

He did look pretty good on the .5 the other night which is why I suggested it again tonight.
 
Chris & China said:
Since the infected tooth, I don't see you giving any insulin except twice and once it was 1U instead of .5'

If 1U takes them too low, or makes it so you can't shoot every 12 hours, then you reduce the dose until you find a dose that you can safely give twice a day

He did look pretty good on the .5 the other night which is why I suggested it again tonight.
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Yes, that is correct he has only needed insulin twice prior to tonight going by his BG levels. The doctor told me to give him one unit but the other night when I gave him that .5 I did that because his BG level really wasn't that high .
he did seem to respond pretty good to it and since he was at 213 tonight I went ahead and did the 1/2 unit
 
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Chris & China said:
Since the infected tooth, I don't see you giving any insulin except twice and once it was 1U instead of .5'

If 1U takes them too low, or makes it so you can't shoot every 12 hours, then you reduce the dose until you find a dose that you can safely give twice a day

He did look pretty good on the .5 the other night which is why I suggested it again tonight.
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Actually, if she's giving PZI, she doesn't have to worry so much about that. She can change the dose between a.m. And p.m. if she needs to. PZI doesn't have a depot but the duration can be a bit longer and she could get overlap/carryover.

Members not shooting one of the L insulins don't usually shoot as low as we do since they are shooting the PS instead of the BG you will see a few hours later.
 
I do you have a question about hypo, from what I was just reading if his number drops too low it seems the best thing to do as long as he is not unconscious will is to give him the emergency high carb can few that I have in his kit. Am I reading that correctly though, is that the right thing to do? And when I test in two hours what number is considered low enough for me to give him His emergency food, assuming that he is not unconscious .
Over a year ago the very same day that I switched him over to canned food his BG drop to 39 , I fed him and rushed him to the vet. They gave him liquid glucose and wants his levels rose they sent us home. And now his vet office is closed and I have a new vet that is now over an hour drive away
 
By the way I just want to let everybody know that I am using my microphone and it really messes up words sometimes or adds words so my post look like I'm drunk LOL! And I am notorious for not proofreading before I hit send o_O
 
sherrib said:
the best thing to do as long as he is not unconscious will is to give him the emergency high carb can few that I have in his kit. Am I reading that correctly though, is that the right thing to do?
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Yes....most of us keep some Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers for just that purpose!! The "gravy" part is very high carb and just a teaspoon or two is usually enough to bring them back up to a safe number. Any high carb food can work the same way though.....the key is just to remember not to feed too much (and possibly make them sick or "fill them up" in case you need them to continue to eat later) and to continue testing for a couple of hours after a "low event" to make sure they come up and stay up

Generally, if you're using a human meter, below 50 is the "time to act" .....on a pet meter it's below 68
 
OK....looks like it should be a nice cycle but that is a pretty good drop

You might want to get another test in later in the cycle if you can (I suggest a +4) just to see what he's doing at night....most cats go lower on the PM cycle than they do on the AM cycle

ETA....don't forget to keep your spreadsheet up to date.....when I first looked, I saw last night's PMPS instead of tonight's
 
I don't measure out their food, and skittles always has food available to him ( unless he eats it all and I'm not home ) The only time I do not feed him ( or take away his food ) is 2 hours before his AMPS and his PMPS. How does that seem?

 
Chris & China said:
OK....looks like it should be a nice cycle but that is a pretty good drop

You might want to get another test in later in the cycle if you can (I suggest a +4) just to see what he's doing at night....most cats go lower on the PM cycle than they do on the AM cycle
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Now I am glad I went with .5 unit instead of 1 unit. I'm thinking the 1 would have been to much. At what BG numbers do you think I should give 1 unit?

So in another 2 hours test him again? Or do you mean 4 hours from now?
 
sherrib said:
How does that seem?
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Seems OK....most of us do feed several mini-meals instead of just two big meals....it's easier on the pancreas

The only caveat is that some cats do better if they get most of their carbs in before nadir.....eating after nadir can "slam the brakes" on the insulin right as it's starting to wear off anyway

The only way to know how Skittles responds to eating food later in the cycle is to test and keep good notes
 
I really do have to get some sleep

If you think it's an emergency, don't forget to add the 911 prefix to your subject line and comment on your post to bring it up to the top of the board

To add the 911, you just look for "Thread tools" (on your original post today over on the right side) and choose "Edit title".....choose the 911 prefix and "save"

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Chris & China said:
I really do have to get some sleep

If you think it's an emergency, don't forget to add the 911 prefix to your subject line and comment on your post to bring it up to the top of the board

To add the 911, you just look for "Thread tools" (on your original post today over on the right side) and choose "Edit title".....choose the 911 prefix and "save"

Once you have someone's attention to help you, you can remove the 911 by going back and choosing "no prefix"
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Thank you so much for your help and for staying up. Have a good night and sweet dreams
 
sherrib said:
Now I am glad I went with .5 unit instead of 1 unit. I'm thinking the 1 would have been to much. At what BG numbers do you think I should give 1 unit?

So in another 2 hours test him again? Or do you mean 4 hours from now?
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Looking at his SS he did great on a 1 unit dose with a 436 on 1/19 AM cycle. I wouldn't give 1 unit again unless he's at least over 400.
1/2 unit is looking good. I would definitely get a +4 test to see where he's at. He has food available to him so if he snacks between now and then he might not drop much more but it's best to check when he's responding well so early in the cycle.
 
On 1/21 PM cycle his +3 was 129 so I don't think he's really dropping too fast yet. If you're concerned he is dropping too quick, you could test at +3 if you're up and then compare it to the 1/21 PM cycle.
 
I feel better now that Steph is here.....she's used ProZinc and has enough experience to help you IF Skittles should drop too low

Hope you all get a quiet night....soon!!
 
sherrib said:
I do you have a question about hypo, from what I was just reading if his number drops too low it seems the best thing to do as long as he is not unconscious will is to give him the emergency high carb can few that I have in his kit. Am I reading that correctly though, is that the right thing to do? And when I test in two hours what number is considered low enough for me to give him His emergency food, assuming that he is not unconscious .
Over a year ago the very same day that I switched him over to canned food his BG drop to 39 , I fed him and rushed him to the vet. They gave him liquid glucose and wants his levels rose they sent us home. And now his vet office is closed and I have a new vet that is now over an hour drive away
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You can try steering a lower BG with his normal food or a medium carb food if you catch it before it gets to 50. 50 is usually when you give the high carb and karo syrup. It can be given sooner if you know how quickly the insulin drops him or if they start going low- like under 100 within the first hour or two after injection. Usually the insulin starts full potency at +2 and peaks or Nadirs around +6. The nadir can depend on dose and every cat is different.
The numbers are all different for each cat but with a human meter once you hit 50 it's time to act.

If anyone has any corrections for this or anything to add please feel free!
 
I hope everything is ok. I'll check in again before I go to bed. By then I'm sure more Prozinc people will be online if you need help.
 
sherrib said:
Yes I have posted in the PZI group many times but there doesn't seem to be that much activity there anymore. Skittles has been in remission for a little over a year and has a tooth infection so he's BG levels have been up, at least that's what we hope it is not that he is completely falling out of remission just a fall out of it.
Thanks to the advice and tips that I got from everybody a year ago that is how I got skittles into remission. I have been reading along this past year and post once in a while to questions I know I can answer . BUT for some reason whenever it comes to my own pets I second-guess everything. I don't know why I do this. I actually have a lot of experience in the Animal field and have no problems helping others out but like I said I get too scared when it comes to mine. :nailbiting:
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Our ProZinc group is much smaller than the Lantus/Levemir group or the main health forum so it might seem that there isn't much activity. However, several of us monitor the forum frequently and give advice as often as we can. You might be posting when some of us are in bed or are away from the computer.
 
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