2/23/14 Wease Progress off insulin. Daily updates

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NitroViper

NitroViper

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Ok since my other thread is getting long Ill start a new one. Here is the old thread http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=114091

So its been about 2 and a half days not giving Wease any insulin at all. This morning amps was 139. As you can see by his spread sheet his numbers average around 120-140. He has dipped as low as 102-103 on his own.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to get it lower, or is it safe like this for now? Should I start a .50 unit shot or maybe even a .25?

bunni9 said:
I'm thinking you may be able to bring Wease's numbers down just a hair overall by spreading out his meals a bit. Rather than feeding two big meals, maybe split it up into four meals? The smaller portions make for a lighter load for the pancreas to work on.
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I will try this, I gave him his big meal this morning but I will split up his PM meal into 2 smaller ones so today he will eat 3 times. He hates eating twice a day anyways.

Wease's dresser drawer bed lol
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wow that is 1 lucky cat. makes me wish i was a cat, as long as i could eat seafood. hes lucky to have u love him so much. so hes a hemingway kitty? polydactyl? in the video looks like he has at least 5 toes on that front left paw anyway. so cute! does he have 20 toes total? :) besides dew claws.
 
Tooo much cute! I just want to squish him! I hope that splitting up the feeding works. :smile: A lot of folks around here feed "mini-meals" to our sugar cats.
 
I also third the mini meals. He might just be having a little bit of a rocky start to OTJ, which is fairly common, but he'll hopefully start to drop lower. What food are you feeding him currently? You might even aim for a lower carb food.
 
I feed him Friskies Classic pates verity pack.

Ocean whitefish and tuna
Mixed Grill
Turkey and giblets

That's all our local walmart has.

I could order some site to store tho if you know any off the top of your head that is good.
 
Friskies special diet are the same price as regular Friskies but are only 5% calories from carb vs. the regular pâtés at ~8%. They're just a bit harder to find (there's only one specialty pet store around where I live that sells them).
 
KPassa said:
Friskies special diet are the same price as regular Friskies but are only 5% calories from carb vs. the regular pâtés at ~8%. They're just a bit harder to find (there's only one specialty pet store around where I live that sells them).
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These? I can order these site to store also. Looks like 3 flavors?

http://www.petco.com/product/11298/Friskies-Special-Diet-Canned-Cat-Food.aspx



this page says: http://parenting-furkids.com/index.php?topic=747.0

9.09% Purina Friskies Classic Pate Ocean Whitefish & Tuna Dinner
9.54% Purina Friskies Classic Pate Turkey & Giblets Dinner
11.81% Purina Friskies Classic Pate Mixed Grill

These are what I feed him now. I thought the carbs were lower than that.

This is what the special diets say:

5.00% Purina Friskies Special Diet Classic Pate Ocean Whitefish Dinner
6.45% Purina Friskies Special Diet Classic Pate Turkey & Giblets
7.77% Purina Friskies Special Diet Classic Pate with Salmon

Should I just buy Ocean whitefish and turkey and giblets forever?
 
I'd be cautious about feeding fish that often. In my house, all I ever feed are the SD turkey and giblets (Mikey is allergic to red meat and doesn't like seafood). I also supplement with up to 20% pure protein (usually boiled chicken breast) or the Tiki Cat Chicken and Egg (too expensive for me to feed that often) to boost their overall protein and to lower the % carb intake from the Friskies for the day. I especially do this when Mikey is running in higher numbers or I give a fur shot. Helps keep his numbers from spiking out of control and helps him recover better numbers faster.
 
I am going to see if I can get a case of these

6.45% Purina Friskies Special Diet Classic Pate Turkey & Giblets

Tomorrow.
 
He is at 147 this PM, haven't gave him insulin in 3 days. His numbers seem to go down a little but not where they need to be? I am going to buy different food soon after the rest of these are gone.

I started feeding him 3 times a day today, that may be the reason it is at 147

Feeding at 10am 4pm and 10pm.

Should I watch his levels for a couple days feeding 3 times a day or do you guys think I should start a .25 or .50 dose?

His spread sheet history is below.
 
Low carb food will typically cause a rise in glucose within about 2 hours, depending on the amount and the individual cat.

High carb gravy can do it in 30 minutes.
 
his +4 is 118 from 147 at feeding time.

This means he is going ok? Should I start a .25 dose or just try the feed 3 or 4 smaller meals a day instead of 2 big ones? 3 would be better than 4 since that consists of being home at those hours.
 
NitroViper said:
his +4 is 118 from 147 at feeding time. This means he is going ok?
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It isn't much of a drop; in fact it is about 20% lower than the 147, so it could be meter variance.

Have you figured out where the nadir usually is? Testing around then to see how low he goes on the dose is what you need to determine. Some folks will do a curve on a day off. A curve is serial glucose tests every 2 hours for a full curve or every 3 hours. Other folks will get tests randomly through the cycle when they can and see if they can ID the probable low point.

NitroViper said:
Should I start a .25 dose or just try the feed 3 or 4 smaller meals a day instead of 2 big ones? 3 would be better than 4 since that consists of being home at those hours.
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Lots of our folks use timed feeders or freeze half of the food to be eaten as it thaws which helps spread out the food intake.
 
I wonder, Jason, if you could pick a number you will shoot (150-170-180), be sure you will be there to monitor and give him a drop of insulin. Literally a drop. Some people do it by drawing up the smallest amount they can consistently measure (maybe .25?), pull up that amount of colored water, and mark on the syringe so it will be consistent. Then let the insulin out by drops, counting how many drops are in that dose. Then when you want to dose a drop, pull up that amount using your sample marked syringe and drop out the drops it contains except for one. Shoot what is left.

It looks to me like Wease needs a tiny bit of insulin to stay in that OTJ range. I am thinking a drop will keep him there a few cycles and then he might need another drop. The hope is that eventually his body takes over and he doesn't need the drop anymore. I am afraid if you don't help him out, he will slide back up into higher ranges.
 
His BG is at 86 right now at +6 of his original shot time.

I think I am going to go buy the 6.45% Purina Friskies Special Diet Classic Pate Turkey & Giblets

The food I have been feeding him which I posted above is about 4% higher in carbs. Maybe I should see how his BG with that for a couple days before starting insulin again?

I know he likes eating 3 times a day instead of 2.

I have only been feeding him maybe 6oz of food a day, Id like to raise that to about 8. Is that going to make his BG higher throughout the day?
 
86 is a lovely number. Anything under 120 is a remisssion number. Yes, I'd continue to fool with the food carbs and timing. The only time I'd consider even a drop of insulin is if he is on the 170 range.
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
86 is a lovely number. Anything under 120 is a remisssion number. Yes, I'd continue to fool with the food carbs and timing. The only time I'd consider even a drop of insulin is if he is on the 170 range.
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Thanks for the reply. I got him the new food, I am going to start him on that tonight.

I want to start feeding him about 8oz a day instead of around 6 I was doing. I want to put a little more weight on him. Hopefully it wont affect his numbers to much.

I need a better way to measure food than eyeballing it.

3 2.5oz containers would be good. that's 7.5oz a day.
 
A small postal scale works great for me to measure out the food. I put the dish on the scale, and then add food until I've got the correct amount. I pretty good at eyeballing those 1 ounce and 1.5 ounce portions now. ;-)
 
I bought to a Relion Prime tonight solely because of the price of the confirm test strips. It was just as easy to use.

$20 for 100 strips is WAY better that $38.

I also got a measuring cup with ounces and half ounces to measure out his food.

His +4 tonight was 83 on the Relion prime tester.

I am going to use the Confirm until the test strips are used up tho. I probably have about 40 left.
 
He is looking really good, Jason. If he stays under 120, you can start his OTJ countdown. (anti jinx). We need 14 days of numbers under 120. Paws crossed.
 
NitroViper said:
I am going to use the Confirm until the test strips are used up tho. I probably have about 40 left.
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I always keep some of my Micro strips around because there's been a few times I've run out of Prime without realizing it (thinking I had another box left when I didn't). ohmygod_smile :lol:
 
Ooo! That 59 is the lowest yet! :mrgreen: Have you started feeding him the new food yet?
 
He has been on his new food for a day and a half. I put out 2.5oz every 6 hours 10am, 4pm and 10pm except late night. He doesn't eat the 2.5oz all at once sometimes he will eat 75% of it. I just leave it out for him and he normally finishes it within an hour.

Been in the green every since!
 
Hi stinkin' cute baby and Jason...see? Just a couple of weeks ago, you were asking 'What's OTJ mean?'. :-D :-D :-D

I think he just had to be extra sweet for a bit to come give me 'stinkin' cute baby' hugs... ;-)
 
I don't know about an OTJ count down but im keeping him where he is at and he is doing good so far.

Squeaky and KT said:
Hi stinkin' cute baby and Jason...see? Just a couple of weeks ago, you were asking 'What's OTJ mean?'. :-D :-D :-D

I think he just had to be extra sweet for a bit to come give me 'stinkin' cute baby' hugs... ;-)
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Id get jealous :p
 
NitroViper said:
I don't know about an OTJ count down but im keeping him where he is at and he is doing good so far.
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I think you're just being modest. ;-) Looks like we're on Day 6 without insulin to me!
 
Pretty sure your next post should have a subject line announcing Wease's OTJ trial and the day. :-D ;-) Everyone loves to watch a countdown! :mrgreen:
 
6 days :) Im still worried tho. Why did it work magically good in a short time and some people have to struggle forever :(

bunni9 said:
Pretty sure your next post should have a subject line announcing Wease's OTJ trial and the day. :-D ;-) Everyone loves to watch a countdown! :mrgreen:
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Im not sure what an OTJ countdown is. I know what OTJ means but there is a trial countdown? Should I be doing things a little different, like is there a method to test for the countdown? What happens after the countdown I don't have to test 3+ times a day anymore?
 
NitroViper said:
6Why did it work magically good in a short time and some people have to struggle forever :(
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Because cats are magical creatures who can "repair" their own pancreas when put on a species-appropriate diet and sometimes just need a spot of insulin to get them going again. As to why you guys are one of the lucky ones, there are many causes of feline diabetes and depending on the cause, remission might not always be possible (most likely Mikey's case).

NitroViper said:
Im not sure what an OTJ countdown is. I know what OTJ means but there is a trial countdown? Should I be doing things a little different, like is there a method to test for the countdown? What happens after the countdown I don't have to test 3+ times a day anymore?
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After 14 days of no insulin and numbers between 40-120ish with the majority in double-digits, a cat is declared Off The Juice and in remission as a diet-controlled diabetic. Once the OTJ Trial is complete, many people decrease testing to once or twice a day for a few weeks to a few months, then once a week, and eventually sometimes just once a month or so.
 
We should have a kitty diabetic convention, get all the cute kitties together so they can meow about their experiences. Or just punch each other in the faces which is what would probably happen instead lol.

Just all the cute kitties on here and all the good owners and never really knowing the people that help you face to face is kind of sad. :(

This looks to be IPB forum software on this site? Who ever runs it should enable the gallery option as well as a monthly kitty of the month feature :)
 
i agree jason! a lot of these ppl i would like to meet. some i think would be good friends. i think they do have conventions, but i have no way to travel. kitty of the month? aww but it would be so hard on the ones that didnt win :(
whats a gallery option?
maybe u can run that part as a volunteer :D
 
A gallery is an option that can be enabled in a forum which a user can create a gallery with pics of themselves, their kitties, their doggies, cars, kids, whatever lol. Normally when a gallery is enabled on a forum it will show random pics at the top of the page like where that home testing kits need a donation thing is.

Kitty of the month can be generated randomly by the forum software, it just pics a random kitty from ones users submit. There is no favorites :)
 
oh ok. i know some ppl have those links at the bottom in their signature that say profile. click it and u see pics, etc.
ur saying u wouldnt need to click a link in the signature tho?
thats cute.
i picked this photo of larry bc with the light, he has that "touched by an angel" thing going. i sing that johnny angel song to him, but i say larry angel :) he looks so angelic in the photo, and thats how he is. idk why it took that rectangular bite outta the side of his photo when i shrunk it? looks dumb!
 
IloveLarry said:
idk why it took that rectangular bite outta the side of his photo when i shrunk it? looks dumb!
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It looks kinda comical if you think about it. It reminds me of a test strip sneaking towards his ear :p lol.

You could add a caption,
oh noes its a blood sucking vampire!

lol sorry that was a bad caption, couldn't think of a good one.
 
omg! is that more sad or funny? we know where ur/our mind/s r. ha. poor thing. now u have me seeing it! the look on his face, like hes looking toward it....like sad, but submissive.
crap! of all the luck. pfffttt. i no like it!
i dont know how to do a cool link in cool words, but listen. do u know this song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWBljCO0JQk just the chorus and say larry :D
i just remembered theres a cat on here named john, too. hahaha awww his mom needs this song.
 
IloveLarry said:
do u know this song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWBljCO0JQk just the chorus and say larry :D
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Id die to go back to those days! even tho I wasn't even born yet lol. I think I was born in the wrong era.

I thought the caption was funny lol.

Just open the picture in a pic editor and paint the white block out and save it.

You can use paint which is included in windows by clicking start then all programs, click the accessories folder and paint is in there.

Or you can use a free picture edit program called gimp. This works great compared to paint.
 
i would kill and wasnt born yet either. reminds me of my mom. it was her day! the 70s were good. i would trade all of the good technology and all to go back there :)
omg paint! argggh that may be how it screwed up the pic. i hate that prog. i tried to crop it there and couldnt so i read where sum1 on here suggested a free easy prog. i used to shrink the pic :D
my mind cant evn deal with anything else to do right now. maybe 1 day. it bugs the crap outta me, but not enuf to fix it. :)
zzzzz
 
Do you still have the original picture? Do you have Windows 7?

  • Find the picture, right-click and select "Edit." The picture will open up in Paint.
  • In the "Home" tab toolbar along the top, there is a "Resize" button. Click on that.
  • Select the button to "Resize by: Pixels" and enter 90 into both the Horizontal and Vertical.
  • Click "OK."
  • Click on the drop-down arrow next to the "Home" tab and select "Save As" and save it under a different name (so you don't replace the original with the shrunken version).
  • Click "Save" and you've got a new pic. :-D
 
ty!!! my grandmother, a vry wise lady taught me, "actions speak louder than words".
we appreciate it. maybe we shd save the test strip one as a comic? now u got me thinking of it.
ty too kpassa.
 
omg kp, how did u make that face? wowza. i bet ur on an iphone or something?
i dnt like my choice of emoticons much so i jst use the old fashioned long hand :)
i want that cat/mouse one tho! and the one with a smiley petting a cat.
yep, we shd all 3 collaborate on the comics! if/whn i have the energy, maybe we could start a business. :) Lord knows i need the money.
i wish ppl chatted like this on here more. it may be abt diabetic cats but now i have other questions and things for some of u. ha. im not a fb person. i get on but its too impersonal/fake for me.
:shock: :shock: :shock: <<pretty much how i feel. exhausted/wired.
 
There's a little link at the bottom of the "smilies" section that says "View more smilies." Click on it and there's two additional pages worth of smilies to pick from. laptop_smiley

As I've always said about Facebook: it's only good for cat pictures and platitudes. :lol:
 
IloveLarry said:
i wish ppl chatted like this on here more. it may be abt diabetic cats but now i have other questions and things for some of u.
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There is also a forum option for a shoutbox, which would appear at the top of the site. Anyone logged in can chat live with other members.

We here bring owners closer to their pets, why not bring owners closer to owners :)

Im sure once a lot of peoples animals are better or they no longer need help they just disappear without a trace and you never hear from them again. Then you get the select few that stay and help. These options like a shoutbox, galleries, pet of the month will keep users interested longer and they may not want to leave after they have got what they wanted out of the forum.
 
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