2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 PMBG=100

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Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120

I think you can expect some blue numbers & 120 is still normal range, I believe..
Day 4 only 10 more!!! ;-)
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120 +4=88

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Very good boy Basil!
You know u got it!!

Happy Day 4 Lydia and Basil!!


:dizcat :dizcat :dizcat
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120 +4=88

Well, things are a little more back to normal and I am back to Lantus Land.

Basil's +4 of 88 is higher than yesterday's +3.5, but I think it is a reasonable number. I am a tad worried by the 120 this morning. I know he didn't eat after +9 last night, although when I stumbled in at +9 to remove the bowl, I found it had been licked clean and I don't know if that was at +5 or +8:55! LOL!

Looking at Basil's SS, it looks to me like his range when he settled in on a dose was about 70 to 120. I know in my head that his 120 is still a normal number, but when I look at the ss's of other OTJ-trial kitties, I see a lot lower numbers. All the time. Should I be concerned? nailbite_smile

WCR: He seems nice and cheerful. Lots of playing last night. That's seeming to be his new routine, now, just as I want to go to bed! He's eating well, too.

I hope there is lots of blue and green out in LL today! And, again, thanks to everyone for the support!
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120 +4=88

(((Lyida & Basil))

Cheering you both on!! Happy Day 4!!

B :RAHCAT A :RAHCAT S :RAHCAT I :RAHCAT L :RAHCAT
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120 +4=88

Lydia,

not sure what I can say to put u at ease, other than ECID, and ya, I would of killed for those 50's and 40's some of the OTJ current trials are throwing
but my cat wouldn't do that, 60's at best, and that's ok, and high 90's is ok, and the occasional blue is ok, and Basil has proven himself to come down.

I hope maybe Jill or Libby can come by and explain things and hopefully put your mind at ease.
 
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Thanks, Ronnie. I'm not TOO worried. And we're all psychologically prepared for going back on insulin if that's the right thing to do for Basil. But I am a world class worrier, so, ya know, what can I say? I have to do it.
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120 +4=88

Hey Lydia!

Basil is continuing to have gorgeous numbers!!

To answer your question... Yes, I was shooting through the rebound. I'm not sure whether this was ever suggested with Basil. As you know, kitties can bounce after low numbers. You can hold the dose at its previous amount for one cycle if the numbers are high at the next PS. There have been times that I haven't done this since Gabby can drop her numbers quickly so If I'm not home to monitor, I will often reduce at the next shot, rather than wait. Since I'm home, I opted to shoot through the rebound and I'll reduce the dose tonight. It's also interesting with the new Tilly Protocol that they have a provision for holding the current dose for 3 drops under 40 in order to really make the kitty "earn" the decrease. Peter and Devon are currently using this strategy with Mocha.
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120 +4=88

That's it Basil----show mommbean that Mr P is working!! :mrgreen: Lydia, I really understand how you must feel. Webber started his trial when Chris and Mally were still on their's and Mally's numbers were amazing! I was like "Webber is never that low?!" But after I did some spot checks I could see that his pancreas was working. I know ECID but I have realized that on the days where Webber's BG (prior to meal) are a little higher that I expected----he is really hungry when I feed him. My twisted logic is thinking that his body has increased his BG a little when he is hungry. I know it makes no sense but it seems to fit his pattern. LOL

Looking good for day 4!! Keep up the good work Basil :RAHCAT
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120 +4=88

hi lydia. since basil is no longer on insulin we have to adjust our thinking.

with a cat still on insulin... we don't want to feed 2 hours prior to shot time because it could
1. effectively stop/slow down whatever action is left on the insulin that cycle
or
2. inflate the preshot number

basil's not on insulin. a small snack or mini-meal fed at +10 will probably bring those AMBG numbers down... because his pancreas is doing what it's supposed to do. this method also holds true for kitties on microdoses (see luna's ss) who have a pancreas which seems to be sputtering.

test and than feed a mini-meal about 2 - 3 hours before testing to see if he brings himself down.


one more thought... we often see otj kitties bobble around a bit before they settle down. just want you to keep that in mind. :-D
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120 +4=88

so now instead of picking up the food in the middle of the night, you get to put some down. Basil will be soooooo confused (and happy - more fudz!).

Don't worry Lydia, we'll let you know if we think Basil needs a boost. Some cats have run in the 100's during their countdown, but have come back down. Jasper comes to mind as a recent example. Basil is getting good Mr. P action but if Mr. P gets tired, we'll help him.
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120 +4=88

Hi Everyone,

I'm a little confused. Currently, in the evening, we:

Feed 1/4 can at "shot" time (8pmEST)
Feed about 1/2 can at about +3 or +4 (11pm-12amEST)
Leave out 1/2 can in 3 frozen pieces of 1/3 can each
Pick up dish at +10 (6am, although last night I picked it up at +9)
We go back to bed at that point and get up to test and feed at 8am.

So, are you saying we need to
Not put down the frozen food.
Get up at +9 or +10 and test, then feed 1/2 can.

I imagine we would also have to wait up until he finished the half can and pick it up, not to let him graze all morning until 8am? (Not to risk a food spike in the AMBG number.)

So, first of all, do I have this right?
Are you talking about doing this every night?
What are we trying to learn exactly? I'm kind of confused, because I think we have learned that his pancreas clears things on its own at +4 after the am meal. Are we just trying to keep him out of the blue by controlling when he eats?

We are willing to do this if you think it is needed. But I want to make sure I understand and we don't start getting up very early every morning and waking up enough to test if I am misunderstanding!

Thanks!
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120 +4=88

I think they are saying you don't have to pick up the food at +10. You can leave food out at all times now if you want. There is no concern about Basil not eating between +10 and +12 because you are no longer giving insulin. Before, when on insulin we did not want them to eat between +10 and +12 so that our pre shot BG would not be affected by a possible food spike. Now, if Basil wants to eat all the way up until test time at +12, that is just fine and dandy :mrgreen:
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day PMBG=100 Clarification, please

Thanks, Paige. I hope you're right. LOL!

Recap:
AMBG=120
+4=88

A hungry kitty today and lots of time roaming around investigating the world.

Hoping that Jill might come by and clarify what she meant!
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 PMBG=100 Clarification, please

You don't need to pick up food unless you want a really, really clean test at your former shot time. Often with OTJ trials, you're encouraged to feed small amounts frequently. The idea is that you don't want to overwhelm the pancreas with large meals. You want to keep the pancreas working at producing insulin and keeping BG at an even level but not put too much pressure on it so food overwhelms it.
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 AMBG=120 +4=88

Lydia and Basil said:
Are we just trying to keep him out of the blue by controlling when he eats?
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Sort of. Think of it like using the food as insulin - instead of shooting insulin to bring the numbers down, we're giving him a little food to bring the numbers down. It is taking Basil 3-4 hours after eating to bring down his numbers. His AMBG number is higher than we want, so the idea is that if you can feed 3 hours before that reading, that meal should prevent him from going as high.

It sounds like you're getting up at +10 anyway, so instead of getting up to pick up food, you'll be getting up to put down some fresh food to encourage him to eat. Jill suggested +9 because that is 3 hours before you usually do your reading, but +10 might accomplish the same thing and it is worth trying, if that fits your schedule better.

Yes, you'll want to do this every day, at least for a little while. I'm sure once Basil's numbers have stabilized a little, and his pancreas is more steady on the job, he won't need that anymore (I know Ronnie said she doesn't do it anymore).
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 PMBG=100 Clarification, please

Thanks, Libby! Feeding at +9 is not a problem. But are we testing at that time? That wasn't clear from Jill's post.
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 PMBG=100 Clarification, please

ya, about half way thru the first month after OTJ, Luna's feeding schedule AND habits shifted, so it's not so strict anymore, and I can sleep! Honest I do sleep! :lol:
 
Re: 2/21 Basil OTJ Trial Day 4 PMBG=100 Clarification, please

AHHHH. I think, unless there is a real need, we will skip that most nights. :)

Thanks again for all the help. I'll give Basil's pancreas a little pep talk.
 
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