2/20 Lucian +6/176 ,+8/248, PMPS HI, +3/427

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~O) Morning ~O)

The lowest PS # he's had in 3 weeks, will be interesting to see what happens today. :smile:

Will continue with the smaller breakfast and small snacks for a couple hrs and see if he can stay a little 'flat', without 'nosediving' and 'skyrocketing'. :-D

Gotta love a cat that's an extremist. :lol:

Wishing everyone healthy kitties! dancing_cat dancing_cat
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282

Woohoo, now that is the way to wake up Lucian. Now lets slide on down to green for momma and then learn to Hang Ten and surf.....no dive and bounce.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282

Mel, I held his dose. Decided not to up it, but wait and see what happens.

Prayers for Autumn and you today. :YMHUG:
 
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I'm sure Lucian thinks I have lost my mind! :lol:

I gave him only a small breakfast, then woke him up, bringing to his bed, a tiny taste of his absolute favorite food, TWICE! :o :lol: He's looking at me like he thinks I have surely gone over the edge! And the fact that I won't give him any more, has him even more perplexed. :o

I'll test him in about 1.5 hrs. Keeping him from dropping so far/fast seems to be helping him stabilize, so I'm going to keep it up and see if we can bring his numbers down to a decent level. ECID sure seems to describe Lucian, he is certainly unique. :lol:

He's pitching a fit now for more food....... ohmygod_smile

Edited: gave him about 1 T zero carb food, hope it has negligible effect, he was hungry and I'm a weakling! ohmygod_smile
 
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LOL I'm sure my whole gang thinks mom and dad have lost their minds too today...WHAT NO BREKKIS!!! Woman we iz STARVING!!! Get in that kitchen and fix us fud...NOW! LOL.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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:lol: I'm sure they do! But they finally got fed, so they're happy now, but still wondering what was wrong with you this morning! :lol:

Lucian's reaction was priceless when I woke him up and he got his favorite Tuna, it was like "ok, what do you WANT?" He looked at me so funny! Like I was 'kissing up' for something! Then to do it an hour later, he actually hesitated, like wasn't real sure about it. ohmygod_smile I tried to explain, but he wasn't 'gettin it'. :lol:

Unfortunately, by the 2nd time, he was hungry and that tiny treat was not enough to satisfy him and he threw a fit. So I gave him the uber low carb, just a little, since it will be about 1.5 hrs until I test. Less than an hour now, so hopefully everything will go well. nailbite_smile

How's the weather looking? Are they still saying this evening, I hope? That would be ideal!
 
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They are still saying that it should hold off until after 6pm here, I'm not so sure I agree with them, the clouds are already rolling in and it is getting really dark out with those icky snow clouds. But they are now saying that it may continue into Friday morning as well. And as of 11pm last night they were already testing the emergency broadcast system stuff...so think they are planning on us getting hit hard, with more snow coming on Monday as well.

I know my fibro is screaming already this morning, but don't want to take my pain meds for it until Autumn is home safe and sound. They make me kind of out to lunch so if I'm going to have to drive before Jon gets home from work today (he went in until noon, unless they run out of stuff earlier) I don't want to do that and not be on top of my game, especially with precious cargo on board.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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Keeping everything crossed, that everybody is home, safe and warm before anything hits your area. :YMHUG:
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228

He's eating a bit now, good to see he didn't nosedive. I'll check again in a couple hrs. Would like to see a high blue, but don't want to push my luck. ohmygod_smile
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228

Love to see blue myself, but today I will be happy just to see him surf the yellow, its such a nice sunny color, and who knows with him, he may sail right down to the blues by tonight or in the morning. Sending out all kinds of no bouncey bouncey vibes...Come on buddy you can do this just surf along today and then come down a little lower tomorrow. We know how kitties are you all like to explore new places with caution, but Autumn says to tell you it is safe to come down and dip your toes in the lower numbers. Really it is, she plays down there all the time and it isn't scary at all.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228

Thank you Autumn! Now if I could just get Lucian to come in here and read this! :o

Just having him below threshold is such a major improvement.

Question though, is it ok to go ahead and feed him normally after the +4?
I gave him about 1/8 can after his test, he ate it all, which is about half his norm, but he had the same amount about 1.5 hrs ago. So if he sticks to his 'norm', he will want to eat in about 3-4 hrs and will get 1/4 can probably at that time, because he has eaten often, but very small amounts.
Of course, running lower today, he may not want as much, nor as often as usual. I've noticed that the last few days. When his numbers are better, he'll go 5 hrs between eating, but will eat a little more each time.

I was going to ask something else and completely lost my train of thought! ohmygod_smile I have derailed! :lol: I'll ask later if I remember it. :lol:

I'm hoping, if he can surf along fairly flat, his body can adjust to the lower numbers and not do that spiking/dropping thing, but that's why we're doing it right? @-)
Sometimes I get confused :lol: I think my brain has turned to oatmeal since he was dx'd! :o
 
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I would go ahead and feed him normally after +4 since that should be when his insulin has the most hold, the idea with the small meals early on is to give him just a little boost at a time to keep the dives away.

Yep we are trying to keep him fairly flat so his body figures out what it feels like again at those lower numbers and that when it starts going down too fast for its comfort that there will be food available to help cushion those drops. If he can hang on to those nice sunny yellows for a couple of days without going Boing then I think it would safe to re-evalute the dose and see if we need to inch him up just a little more to get more surf time in the blues and greens.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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Thanks Mel, I wanted to make sure I understand the what/why of what we're doing. :-D

Now here's another question (they just keep coming up don't they? :lol: ) If he keeps up the surf for a couple days, do we then go back to a normal eating schedule, without the tiny bits for the 1st few hours, to see how he reacts or do we reevaluate the dose and continue with the 'food steering'? I hope you understand what I'm asking. At some point, he should be able to 'surf' without it, right? How do we know when he can? I am such a PITA, I know! :lol:

You are such a jewel! We could have never made it this far without you! :YMHUG:

Did the vet say how long he thought it would take for them to take care of Autumn? I guess it would also be determined by what they found out about the anal glands and how bad her teeth are. I'm just anxious to hear she's ok and ready to come home! I know you are, I can only imagine. :sad:
 
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Will get back to your questions in a couple minutes...I have a very sore tortie girl demanding to be fed but wanted to pop on and say....AUTUMN IS HOME!!!!

She is now missing 8 teeth, 2 more BBs and her anal glands were completely impacted so not only does her mouth hurt, so does her bum. Poor baby she is telling daddy all about how badly she was treated.

BRB to answer the other questions to the best of my ability.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 WOOHOO!!

OMG she's home! I'm so glad! She will feel soooo much better in a few days, with all that stuff taken care of! I'm doing the Happy Dance for you Autumn!!

And a Happy Dance for Lucian and his +6/176!!

I am breathing a sigh of relief for you Mel, I can only imagine how stressful it has been for you! Healing vines for Autumn :YMHUG: :YMHUG: :YMHUG: ! Big Hugs for you both!

Take your time Mel, no emergencies here. :-D I'm just so glad she's home, seriously, I'm in tears I'm so happy! flip_cat flip_cat flip_cat flip_cat
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 WOOHOO!!

WOOHOO Lucian you go big guy!!!!

Now to answer the question about the food steering and no throwing things at me....ECID! <ducks and runs> Tired of hearing that yet...lol

Honestly hon I don't really have an answer for you on that one, none of mine have ever needed to be steered like that, but yes theoretically once his liver is retrained to not panic at those lower numbers he should be able to surf without the added help.

Because of having so many here mine have always been on a set feeding schedule where they eat 4 times a day and always at the same time each day, 7am, 1pm, 7pm and 10pmish, depending on when I turn in for the night.

So taking a complete stab in the dark here if he continues to surf well over the next few days then you can try to go back to his normal feeding schedule, but I probably would not feed anything but zero carbs after his +6 since with Lantus that should be right around when his insulin starts to wane so we don't want to throw extra work on it, as it is starting to peter out before the next shot. If you try to go back and he starts diving and bouncing again, just go back to what you were doing with the steering again.

As I understand it from watching others do it, it is much like walking them up from hypo, small meals to help boost them so they don't dive back down, but in this case it is keeping him from nose diving and bouncing.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 WOOHOO!!

I didn't expect you to answer so quickly. :lol:

I only kept asking stuff, hoping it would help keep your mind off waiting for the phone to ring. ;-) :lol: Did it help any? :lol:

I worry that blue will make him bounce tonight, but that would be par for him. ohmygod_smile Would it help to 'steer' him a couple hrs after his PM shot too? Especially if he doesn't bounce tonight?

The only problem with the 'steering' is that the only thing he will be sure to eat, even if not hungry, is that Tuna. I may try getting him to eat bits of the lower carb instead, but I'm not confident in that. We'll see what happens. All I have fed him since before +4 has been his regular 0-4% stuff, what he normally eats, under 5%. He ate immediately after that +6, so hopefully he'll stay the course. Keeping fingers crossed. nailbite_smile Maybe I can mix a tiny bit of his food with the tuna and use that to steer? HMMMM? we'll make it work. :-D

So glad Autumn is ready to eat, mine never want to after coming home from the vet, for any reason, much less a procedure. Go Autumn! :RAHCAT
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 WOOHOO!!

You can call Autumn a lot of things (and I have) but late for meals ain't one of them...lol

Hopefully that blue won't make him bounce too much since it was only a little slide down from yellow today instead of Black.

I would steer him a little after his pm shot as well just to keep him on a nice even keel. Now hopefully he won't do to you what he did yesterday and put his nadir at his pmps but if he does, we can handle that too.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 ,+8/248

Actually he isn't racing up that badly....did he eat before the +6? Now is when I get to start driving you crazy...remember all meters have a -/+ of 20% so....

176+20%=211.2
248-20%=198.4

so actually those are both virtually the same number...have I confused you yet?

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 ,+8/248, PMPS HI

The variance can go either way, he's still HI at PMPS anyway you look at it, it's over 600. 3 steps forward and 2 steps back. I just don't get it. :sad:

The 176 could be 20% less and the 248 could be 20% more..........

I know exactly what you're saying, but he's still 600+ and that sux.

There's got to be an equation, part of the formula that I've missed in all my reading.
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 ,+8/248, PMPS HI

Look at the run he just had! And sometimes there is just no reason that we can find for those HIs...but he has looked great the last couple of days, this is merely a glitch along the way.

Look at Autumn's spreadsheet, every so often she will throw me a red for what seems like out of the blue, you just have to keep plugging along.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 ,+8/248, PMPS HI

I have accomplished nothing but to have him bounce all over the place and end up sky high, just like he was when I brought him home. That's just as bad as pumping syrup into him to keep him from crashing, there has got to be a middle ground somewhere that I'm not finding and I'm pissed. :-x
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 ,+8/248, PMPS HI

Sweetie it has been 18 days since his body last felt a yellow preshot or a blue nadir...its a bounce, he will clear it. This is not a sprint it is a marathon. He has had one of his best days yet, they will keep getting better and better. Patience grasshopper Patience.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 ,+8/248, PMPS HI

I expected it to go up, not 600+, but much higher, because of that blue.
I feel like I have done nothing to help him in 6 weeks. I know all cats throw a high number occasionally, for apparently no reason, but THAT high?
I have yet to see another cat's SS with numbers as high as him, even those with major illnesses, much less as often or as long as he's been dealing with it. He has yet to have 24 hrs without being well over 500 at some point, this can't continue, he'll end up with major organ failure and what kind of life is that? He can't keep hitting that high every 12 hrs. There's got to be something I can do, I just haven't found it yet.
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 ,+8/248, PMPS HI

I will concede that very seldom have I seen cats with that high of numbers ....but it does seem to be happening more and more often lately, and the only thing that I have seen so far that is in common are two things...the meter which is alway the Relion Prime and Lantus for an insulin. I will admit I know nothing of the Prime as it didn't exist when I first started dancing with a sugarcat. I do know Lantus so I don't think it is that unless something has changed since I last used it for a cat. So I have to wonder if the Prime just doesn't read well at higher numbers, as we have seen that certain meters don't read well for cats at all after a change in the strips they used.For example the Freestyle Lite which was a tried and true meter until they switched over to the butterfly strips...then it started reading way too low when used for a cat.

I know the Micro reads well because I have enough other meters here that are tried and true to compare it with, and I have used the same blood drop to test between Autumn's Bayer Contour and my micro. Not saying it is the Prime at higher numbers but that seems to be one of the common denominators that I have seen in those cats with those sky high numbers.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Re: 2/20 Lucian AMPS 282,+4/228,+6/176 ,+8/248, PMPS HI

The last 55 or so was the Relion, the 50 prior to that was Arkray, or the same meter. I can't afford to use anything else.
with his pm+4 at 427 and I've steered him the last 3 hrs, I'm going to bed, I've had all I can take for 1 day.

Nite Mel.
 
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