13/2 Chico AMPS 369 Bounce cycle; PMPS 380; 247 +2; 162 +3; 94 +5.5

I hope Chico is feeling better today and no more diarrhea! Looks like he's bouncing from those nice numbers you saw yesterday. Let's hope he clears that bounce soon and you'l see some better numbers. He could very well be dehydrated...it happens...have you tried adding a bit of water to his food to make it sorta soupy like? Sometimes that helps get a little more H2O into them...
 
Another possibility is he's spending more time u Der the renal threshold so he's not producing as much pee. I noticed the volume went down considerably once George was spending more time in blue/green.

It won't hurt to add a little water to his food.

Are the poops still improving?

Nice cycle, coincidence those 'gentler cycles related to the +1 +2 etc feed schedule???
The bounce may also be triggered from spending a lo ger than usual time in numbers kitty is not used to.

Get some rest today, and make the best of a pokey break.
 
Sue and Luci said:
I hope Chico is feeling better today and no more diarrhea! Looks like he's bouncing from those nice numbers you saw yesterday. Let's hope he clears that bounce soon and you'l see some better numbers. He could very well be dehydrated...it happens...have you tried adding a bit of water to his food to make it sorta soupy like? Sometimes that helps get a little more H2O into them...
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He almost doesnt have diarrhea anymore, i hope this will last.

thank you for the idea with adding water, we will try doing that today :)
 
Gill & George said:
Another possibility is he's spending more time u Der the renal threshold so he's not producing as much pee. I noticed the volume went down considerably once George was spending more time in blue/green.

It won't hurt to add a little water to his food.

Are the poops still improving?

Nice cycle, coincidence those 'gentler cycles related to the +1 +2 etc feed schedule???
The bounce may also be triggered from spending a lo ger than usual time in numbers kitty is not used to.

Get some rest today, and make the best of a pokey break.
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Ohh, that is nice to hear that by spending less time under the renal threshold would already have benefits for him.

his poops improved, mainly he stopped going 3-4 times, i really pray it continues improving. I believe the 1 day of human probiotics plus now giving him some boulardi helped, we will keep it going.

ohhh, i had a nap during the day ))) sleepless nights are not my favorite thing :D so yes, the break today was appreciated :)

thank you for your help :)
 
So he pooed a third time today and it was worse than in the morning :( i was giving him 2.5bil cfu 2x / day, do you think doubling the dose is the right thing to do? In the article abt probiotics there are instructions to stop diarrhea but it uses some capsules which and im not certain what size they and what they are in general...

Thanks for your advice
 
Can the diarrhea get worse with the bounce? I checked the spreadsheet and it seems that it might have a connection...
 
Marina & Chico said:
Can the diarrhea get worse with the bounce? I checked the spreadsheet and it seems that it might have a connection...
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I haven't made that connection yet. Luci had a bad spell of diarrhea about a month ago - the vet seemed to think it was an infection - he gave her a shot of antibiotics - this was all at the same time that she was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism...her thyroid was 14 - way way high...and it seemed to affect everything...diarrhea and losing weight...she was a real treat to clean up after...:(

I also added some ForteFlora to her food - it seemed to ease - but it could have been from the antibiotic and/or the Probiotic (which I would use every other feeding) and/or the ForteFlora (recommended by another vet for loose stools)...

Now things are all back to normal in the LB...thankfully!
 
Sue and Luci said:
I haven't made that connection yet. Luci had a bad spell of diarrhea about a month ago - the vet seemed to think it was an infection - he gave her a shot of antibiotics - this was all at the same time that she was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism...her thyroid was 14 - way way high...and it seemed to affect everything...diarrhea and losing weight...she was a real treat to clean up after...:(

I also added some ForteFlora to her food - it seemed to ease - but it could have been from the antibiotic and/or the Probiotic (which I would use every other feeding) and/or the ForteFlora (recommended by another vet for loose stools)...

Now things are all back to normal in the LB...thankfully!
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:( i am a bit worried not to prolong too much with the vet visit with this thing for the exact reason you mentioned above. I keep on hopping since he reacts a bit to probiotics eventually they will help but im not certain how long is reasonable to wait
 
For S. Boulardii, have you tried the emergency diarrhea instructions (linked here)? They are 1/4 of a 250 mg capsule (5b CFU) of s. boulardii every two hours. I see in your SS, you're giving it twice a day but the 1/4 capsule every two hours may be worth a try (and then go to the 1/2 capsule twice a day once his stool improves).

Hope Chico feels better :bighug: You can always call your vet too and express your concerns to see what they say too :bighug:
 
JaxBenji said:
For S. Boulardii, have you tried the emergency diarrhea instructions (linked here)? They are 1/4 of a 250 mg capsule (5b CFU) of s. boulardii every two hours. I see in your SS, you're giving it twice a day but the 1/4 capsule every two hours may be worth a try (and then go to the 1/2 capsule twice a day once his stool improves).

Hope Chico feels better :bighug: You can always call your vet too and express your concerns to see what they say too :bighug:
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I saw the instructions but the dosing wasnt clear to me, i can try the 1/4 of a capsule every 2 hours. thanks
 
It may be the swings in the BG that is upsetting his tummy. I have seen people mention it, and a quick search does seem that elevated BG can in some cats be associated with loose stools, many diabetics have some inflamation of the pancreas, some more acute than others, that may lead to diarreah.

Do you have any blood analysis results for Chico? from his diagnosis?

Is his appetite OK?
Does he seem like he is in discomfort or pain?
Is he hiding? or sociable?
Is he active? or lethargic?

Has he had a pee yet?

I would be thinking of taking him to the vet on Monday if he doesn't improve, you may want to get the test for pancreatitis.






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Gill & George said:
It may be the swings in the BG that is upsetting his tummy. I have seen people mention it, and a quick search does seem that elevated BG can in some cats be associated with loose stools, many diabetics have some inflamation of the pancreas, some more acute than others, that may lead to diarreah.
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Judging by the notes i made on the spreadsheet it happens during the higher BGs, when he has active cycles it improves.

Gill & George said:
Do you have any blood analysis results for Chico? from his diagnosis?
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i have nothing, the vet must have, i will ask him to provide it to us

Gill & George said:
Is his appetite OK?
Does he seem like he is in discomfort or pain?
Is he hiding? or sociable?
Is he active? or lethargic?

Has he had a pee yet?
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He doesn't seem to be in discomfort nor pain, he is sociable, playful and looking for attention. He has peed twice today.

Gill & George said:
I would be thinking of taking him to the vet on Monday if he doesn't improve, you may want to get the test for pancreatitis.
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Until then we will try to give him every 2 hours boulardi and if that doesn't help we will go to the vet
 
From what you have said the diarrhea is since his diagnosis?
Possibly related to the food change, when you introduced the DM Purina kibble??
Or has he always had chronic diarrhea?

He may be getting the go upset with the high BG.

Other than the soft poo it seems he is otherwise well. With pancreatitis you would expect him to be feeling off.

It will be interesting to see if his symptoms improve with another spell in good BG...

I imagine the swings in BG can leave them feeling a bit icky, human diabetic friends of mine have said as much.

But it's best not to ignore if it persists.

I'm glad he has peed, grab a ketone test when you can next ambush him in the litter box
 
Gill & George said:
From what you have said the diarrhea is since his diagnosis?
Possibly related to the food change, when you introduced the DM Purina kibble??
Or has he always had chronic diarrhea?

He may be getting the go upset with the high BG.

Other than the soft poo it seems he is otherwise well. With pancreatitis you would expect him to be feeling off.

It will be interesting to see if his symptoms improve with another spell in good BG...

I imagine the swings in BG can leave them feeling a bit icky, human diabetic friends of mine have said as much.

But it's best not to ignore if it persists.

I'm glad he has peed, grab a ketone test when you can next ambush him in the litter box
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If i am not wrong, when he was diagnosed the vet said his pancreas seemed fine but i have to confirm it with him. The diarrhea started when we switched him from dry food to wet and thats why in the beginning we were kind of waiting for it to improve with time.
Yeah, i ambush him every time he goes to the toilet these days, to follow his poo and to catch some pee )) poor Chico :D nonetheless last 2 days i “caught” him too late to get a sample for the ketones tests. I am constantly trying though, i like the neg ketones, keeps us calmer
 
we start from the lowest +2 value up until now, we fed 20g 2% at +1 and the same at +2. Our reflex is to try to keep it as flat as possible, around blues, not let it drop too low in order to avoid another bounce. Should we try using MC food (we managed to find some today) or should we just slightly control the cycle with LC?

Thanks for your advice
 
He does seem to be clearing that bounce tonight.

I would have made the same food choices at +2 and +2 that you did..

If he is mid to low blue at +3, I would be thinking MC, so let me you did yesterday the regular LC with a small drop of honey mixed in.
 
Gill & George said:
He does seem to be clearing that bounce tonight.

I would have made the same food choices at +2 and +2 that you did..

If he is mid to low blue at +3, I would be thinking MC, so let me you did yesterday the regular LC with a small drop of honey mixed in.
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Thanks for your answer, today we found zooroyal MC food, 13% with relatively normal content so we tried giving it to him.
 
Good choice.
If you need to use HC then you can add honey to that to increase the carbs. To avoid the other foods with the corn starch.

If he has dropped and is above 80 but below 110 at +4 i would stick to the MC. (Above 110, I might try LC again)

But if he has dropped more than 50 pts at +4 I might want to check him 30min later @+4.5. To see if you managed to slow him with more MC or LC.

You want to reserve the HC for when he drops below 50.

It would be good to see if you can level him out with LC and MC.
 
Gill & George said:
Good choice.
If you need to use HC then you can add honey to that to increase the carbs. To avoid the other foods with the corn starch.

If he has dropped and is above 80 but below 110 at +4 i would stick to the MC. (Above 110, I might try LC again)

But if he has dropped more than 50 pts at +4 I might want to check him 30min later @+4.5. To see if you managed to slow him with more MC or LC.

You want to reserve the HC for when he drops below 50.

It would be good to see if you can level him out with LC and MC.
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So the MC raised him a bit, i wonder if we should wait another hour for the MC to ware off and then decide if more food is required. We only have 10g of food left from his daily dose, we would like to avoid overfeeding if not necessary, what do you think?
 
Hey I'll check in for your +5 but then I need to catch some zzz's early start in the garden after two weeks of solid rain it's a jungle out thete:eek:

I'm keeping fingers crossed and the gang are keeping paws crossed you can get some sleep
 
That's quite a drop 5.2 =93
But you are later in the cycle and the drop maybe from the MC wearing off.

How do you feel about trying him with some LC and seeing if he will surf and stay level in green
 
Gill & George said:
That's quite a drop 5.2 =93
But you are later in the cycle and the drop maybe from the MC wearing off.

How do you feel about trying him with some LC and seeing if he will surf and stay level in green
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we tried 10gLC and 10gMC mix... this was very stressful measurement, he was apparently very hungry and therefore nervous and his ears wouldnt bleed... wasn't our highest point in the process
 
So one of each that will make it higher LC overall


When George did a big drop it would make him hungry and he would get a bit nervous and be harder to test.
Does he always get a treat after a test?
 
Gill & George said:
So one of each that will make it higher LC overall


When George did a big drop it would make him hungry and he would get a bit nervous and be harder to test.
Does he always get a treat after a test?
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we always give him the treat and lately he was so great, sitting on my lap as soon as he saw the kit, today he was a bit less patient though, we guess its the hunger... let's hope that the measurement in half an hour will be different
 
it probably was when George dropped fast he got hungry, it a good thing because sometimes he would let me know his BG was low.

If he is flat or rising at +6. You could call it night.

Update the thread title to show just the pm BG and just shout for help if you need it.

I sounds you have him conditioned to the pokes, George would come and sit on my lap when I made a noise with the test strips , he's dead now so it doesn't work. I often check him in the mornings and if he's very hungry, he can be a bit naughty.:rolleyes:

You're both doing a great job!
Night guys, you're welcome.:kiss:
 
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