12th-Feb: Tyler &M : AMPS=385: +4.75=209 : PMPS=18.2 : +2=13.1

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PussCatPrince - GA

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Woke this morning to the usual soft stool poop that had stuck to Tyler and so brought from the tray onto the flooring and carpet & squished right into the remaining fur around his anus and tail.

Cleaned the usual up and spent ages squeezed under the downstairs bed gently cleaning the fur and skin for him, which is the better way to go rather than have him struggle. No mean feat I can tell you.

Got no work done. Came up to the office for lunch and do some work at least . Back down to check on him just to find it all there again.

It can be very hard to not be down in the dumps , especially when there seems no answer to the stool issue.
 
I'm so sorry, M. This must be frustrating, especially if they got solid poops in hospital and you can't figure why. I hope you get some answers soon. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
I'm so sorry, M. This must be frustrating, especially if they got solid poops in hospital and you can't figure why. I hope you get some answers soon. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:


I figure he was given something to firm it all up which worked briefly.
I also figure that he did have soft poop whilst in there because I remember a vet nurse saying she had to clean him up.
 
I was trying to think of things that have helped firm up stools with other kitties... in addition to the usual remedies such as adding pumpkin. Maybe others have already mentioned them, but thought I'd bring them up in case no one has.

Years ago, Alice solved Tabby's loose stools by feeding him a low carb canned food (< 10%) that had a small amount of brown rice in it. Rice is known to have a binding quality. Brown rice is believed to have a lower glycemic content than white. I think the brand she fed was Friskies. It may not be available in New Zealand, but maybe you could find something similar.

Others have found feeding a raw diet will help firm up stools. You'd want to stay away from mixtures using ground bone because of CKD, but egg shell powder is a great substitute and it'll keep phosphorus down.

Anyway, I've been thinking about you and Ty. Just thought I'd pop in with a couple of ideas on the off chance they hadn't been mentioned. Take care!
:bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Have you tried the pumpkin in his food? It helped phoebe tremedously.

Hi Angela & the very lovely Phoebes.
Before Ty went into hospital I was adding pumpkin ; slippery elm bark ; s.boulardii & the like , all to no effect really.
I did understand from Marje&Gracie that if Ty's B12 levels were low then the s.boulardii would not work anyway. I will find out tomorrow if the levels were too low. I do believe he was given a B12 injection & may have one tomorrow.
Throughout all of this , Ty has not once chucked up . No displays of nausea unless last evening's lip licking was about that and not dehydration due to the wretched dry food.

Who would have thought that happiness would hinge on the sight of a well formed cat poo log.

Phil came home & I spontaneously and without my own permission to do so, broke into a grizzle. :oops:

It's fish and chips for tea with several glasses of wine this evening as a form of pick M up.

I think me and Phil have decided to dump the idea of dry as any form of helpful. He needs moisture in his food + good protein + low carbs.

Very simple thinks to self:
A diabetic cat will urinate more when over the renal threshold. Increased urination is one of the symptoms of the onset of diabetes. Regulate the BG level , urination lessens to normal. Simples . ( I know not simples but the equation/logic is simple)

A cat defecates more when the body is unable to absorb the food properly - for many assorted reasons . Increased waste being moved through more quickly leaving the cat deficient of nutrients. That can , as a by product, result in lowering BG as the body battles to regulate itself .

A food that is easily digested by a weakened system should help.
Enzymes might be needed to help food be digested properly.
A cat can develop a sensitivity to one food resulting in it quickly being ejected from the body.
Just as for a cat that will not eat, it is equally as damaging for a cat to expel most of the food before the good stuff can be absorbed, diabetes or no diabetes.
CKD does not help as there is a need to be mindful of the 'load' on the kidneys.

BTW. Ty has not been sneaking curry. I can't eat it. Gives me the squits.:eek:
 
I was trying to think of things that have helped firm up stools with other kitties... in addition to the usual remedies such as adding pumpkin. Maybe others have already mentioned them, but thought I'd bring them up in case no one has.

Years ago, Alice solved Tabby's loose stools by feeding him a low carb canned food (< 10%) that had a small amount of brown rice in it. Rice is known to have a binding quality. Brown rice is believed to have a lower glycemic content than white. I think the brand she fed was Friskies. It may not be available in New Zealand, but maybe you could find something similar.

Others have found feeding a raw diet will help firm up stools. You'd want to stay away from mixtures using ground bone because of CKD, but egg shell powder is a great substitute and it'll keep phosphorus down.

Anyway, I've been thinking about you and Ty. Just thought I'd pop in with a couple of ideas on the off chance they hadn't been mentioned. Take care!
:bighug::bighug::bighug:

Evening Jill.
I was thinking of just going gung-ho for a raw home made diet on the 'what the heck' basis with a thought for any shock to his system.

I will actually look out for this idea of a low carb canned food with brown rice. Less of a shock and even though it is rice I do feel that having had this issue really since the end of December Ty can weather some rice in the grand scheme of things.

Thank you so much .
 
Hi, M. Hope you all are having a better day today. Btw curry does the same thing to me :eek:!

Along the lines of what you, @Jill & Alex (GA) have been thinking (absorption etc) and bc the usuals (pumpkin, SEB etc) have been of little to no help for Ty:

1. The addition of a LGI (low glycemic index) complex carb or its water such as brown rice or oat bran or oatmeal could be worth a try. Even in the liver shake recipe on fdmb, rice water (and the fundamentals of how to make it, just substitute the white rice water with other kind of rice or oatbran/oatmeal) is suggested to help mitigate diarrhea.
Here’s the recipe/info link FYI to have on hand:
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/the-liver-shake-for-sick-cats.30432/

Making a liver shake might also be a way to see if Ty resonates with raw and or if the restorative aspects of the liver shake helps.

2. Nutrient absorption: another possibility that might be worth looking into in the quest for more normal poo and in conjunction with other nutrients, changing food choices: Animal biome poo pills. It’s not inexpensive, whether the gut restoration pills alone or the kitty kit (includes the gut restoration capsules and fecal testing). But I have found that since Azalea has been on them, her stool has gradually improved and her nutrient absorption, I think has improved, my indicators being that she eats more satisfyingly, her chronic fur pulling and recurring bouts of gingivostomatitis (that vets were at a loss to help mitigate and traditional options were either contraindicated or too dangerous with her age and multiple conditions) have lessened and her fur is growing back.
https://www.animalbiome.com/collections/microbiome?page=1&sort_by=best-selling
If you have any questions (I certainly did before deciding to try it for Azalea), Holly Ganz, one of the co-founders, is very helpful as are the rest of the UCDavis team involved in the animal biome project. Their site, (with additional info in their blog section) offers some very interesting info, too.

3. Trying / transitioning to raw or home prepared, cooked or raw: Worth a try whenever you feel you and he are ready whether you start by a pre made or home prepared. One source of home made using meat (no bones) only, if which the premix includes egg shell powder instead of bones) is EZComplete (food fur life). Idk if it is available in NZ or if there are similar products available in NZ but here’s the link to food fur life. They do mail out free samples so an email to them (Laurie Goldstein or Carolina liima, co-owners) would answer any questions.
http://www.foodfurlife.com/
They also include lots of information about gut health. If they can’t send to NZ, they might know of products more accessible in your country.

Hope you all have a peaceful and feeling better day!:bighug:
Sina

ETA: you mentioned trying to find a LC canned food with brown rice in it. A possibility: add a bit of cooked rice or oat meal/oat bran with the water or just add the cooked water to the LC grain free canned food that he likes?
 
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