12/08 J.D. PMPS 600

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Dyana

Dyana

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Yesterday's Condo

Last Night:
447 PMPS
396 +7

J.D. ate pretty good overnight, including about 5 or 6 of the large nuggets of Stella and Chewy's Chick Chick Chicken freeze dried raw Dinner. While I was posting before going to bed last night, he snuck into the litter box and (quickly, so no straining?) had a solid poo over the edge of the little box onto the carpet, that is (now baggied) normal, with a little soft poo inside the litter box. At +7, when I woke up to test him, he didn't seem like he felt too good. He ate but he was kind of wobbeling, and then he had two more very soft poos in the box. I wonder if it's from the Azodyl. I'll try to get a vet appointment today, but probably won't be successful until Monday. I'll try to stop the Azodyl and see how he does.

This morning, J.D. ate all his 1st Breffis and then some, and Ginger ate her 1st Breffis too. No poos in the box, and J.D. is walking normally for him. He has gone outside in the cold very briefly twice, and I was going to go back to bed, but now, it's getting late.

He is now eating his 2nd Breffis with some FortiFlora added.
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. AMPS 286

Good to hear that J.D. age good in the night and is feeling better and walking better this morning. I don't know about the drug so I can't share insight. But it looks like J.D. is coming down from those icky numbers and I hope that continues today. What a yucky we are having! They say we are only partly cloudy today, but that's not what I see looking out the window! Have a great day, Dyana
 
vet apt.

I was able to get a hard to get vet appointment today. J.D.'s regular vet is on vacation, but we got an appointment in less than an hour with a vet I think Ginger has seen once. I want to ask him about the little sores? the vet saw in J.D.'s mouth last Saturday, and I am bringing the poo samples from last night, and I want his anal sacs checked? can they do that?, and I want to ask about xrays or ultrasounds. Anything else?

J.D. ate his 2nd Breffis about 2 hours ago.
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. AMPS 286, +3 219 - got vet apt.

Dyana, hope all goes well at the vet this morning. Let us know what they say?
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. AMPS 286, +3 219 - got vet apt.

Paws crossed for a good vetty appointment today!!!! Yay on a poo! Hope all goes well. Have a great Caturday Dyana!
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. AMPS 286, +3 219, vet, +6 60

Our appointment was at 10:15am, and so at 10:00am I told J.D. "Come on J.D., we have to go to the vet." and I heard him jump off my bed, and he went right to the litter box, and gave me another fresh sample of wetish poo. So, I labeled the baggies 7:00pm 12/7, 1:00am 12/8, and 10:00am 12/8 :)
This was a vet I had never seen before (I guess they have 5 vets there, and now I have seen all 5 of them).

I asked the vet to check J.D.'s heart rate because I thought it was racing (I know cat's have fast hearts, I just thought it was faster than usual) the other day, and it was 140. The vet thought that was low and said usually cats at the vet's office are around 200. Well, J.D. goes to the vet so often, and he's pretty mellow (all vets say he's "the best patient"), and his temperature was low-normal of 101.3.

He felt no tenderness in his abdomen, but did say his kidney felt a little smaller and harder than a normal cat.

I asked him if he should check his anal glands, and he said that cat's don't usually have anal gland problems?, but (to make me happy, I guess) he said that he would check them to make sure there was no sores there...but I don't remember him doing anything like that...

I asked about x-rays or ultrasounds and he said he didn't think it was necessary at this point. He said he didn't feel anything and as long as something was coming out and it wasn't watery, that he was happy. He prescribed Flagyl for 10 days, and said if that doesn't help or if the wet poos come back after 14 days or so, we can do more Flagyl or do x-rays and ultrasounds and more Flagyl.

Last week, when we saw the vet, I weighed J.D. right before we went and he was 12lbs 5.5oz on my scale and 12lbs 5oz on the vet's scale.
This week, I weighed him before we left and he was 12lbs 7oz, and the vet's scale said 12lbs 5oz (but J.D. did step off the scale right away, but the vet said "don't worry, I got it".), and so I had to check him again once we got home, after he cleaned all the cat food bowls in the house, and he was 12lbs 8oz (the scale kept flashing from 12lbs 7.5 and 12lbs 8.5 and then finally stopped at 12lbs 8oz), so I don't think the vet's weigh in was correct, but he said that he was happy that he hadn't lost weight.

When I went to pay, the receptionist said that will be $75 and my eyes grew big and I said "did you get the fecal exam/test, but that doesn't sound like enough?" and she went back and checked and added some more to the bill.
I said to her (because I am there so often) that "I like to spend my money, here" and she smiled and said "Everyone needs a hobby." :-| ).

So, that's that.

Now that J.D.'s 60, I guess I won't be going grocery shopping anytime soon. I need to bake cookies, sometime, today.
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. AMPS 286, +3 219, vet, +6 60

I'm glad everything seemed ok. I hope the fecal tests come back okay and it was just an upset tummy.

The vet is wrong about cats and anal glands though. Racci's are blocked and infected often and so are Zener's and a few other cats in the group. It is not uncommon at all. If they don't clean themselves well and most overweight cats don't because they can't reach, they are prone to anal gland problems. You can usually tell if they are bad by looking at the anus. If it looks swollen or you see some whitish stuff inside than they probably need to be expressed. It only takes the vet a minute or two to do but makes them a little sore. Racci hasn't been getting it as often since I started cleaning her properly every day.

I hope JD feels better by tonight.

Hugs,
Melanie & Racci
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. AMPS 286, +3 219, vet, +6 60, +7 51

I think it was Sienne's Gabby that had to go through a second course of Flagyl for diarrhea, so don't be surprised if JD does, too.

I agree with Melanie. There have been quite a few kitties who have had to have their anal glands expressed. I've had two, Alex and Darius (civvie), who've had an anal sac burst and Darius isn't even overweight.

Hope JD feels better soon...
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. AMPS 286, +3 219, vet, +6 60, +7 51

I agree with Melanie, cats DO have anal gland issues pretty commonly. Muffin needs hers expressed about every 6 months. Since most of my others go potty outside, I've never noticed an issue for them, but maybe it's something I should add to their check ups. I hope JD feels better, sending him tons of vines. Sorry you can't go grocery shopping now, but you can make those cookies!
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. AMPS 286, vet, +6 60, +7 51, +7.75 59

That's what I thought about the anal glands, but what am I supposed to do, tell him he's wrong? Anyway, I don't think he even touched him back there, except to take his temperature :roll:
J.D. isn't that fat anymore, but he does only groom his face and forepaws and shoulders and chest. I attribute that lack of the rest of the grooming to arthritis.
So, I just got up and washed his butt :? . I'm sure that will raise his next test.
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. AMPS 286, vet, +6 60, +7 51, +7.75 59

Hi Dyana. Nice numbers for J.D. I hope he gets to feeling better and back to normal. Nice that he is leaving presents in the LB for you.

Have a great day.
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. AMPS 286, vet, +6 60, +7 51, +7.75 59

Hi Dyana - thansk for visiting Mannie today.

I will jump in on the anal glands bandwagon too. My civvie goes up very three months to have hers checked and expressed, as she has been impacted before - not fun. I think it was Melissa that had Tarragon in the ER for ruptured anal glands - not good. so yes, cats do have anal gland problems... It is mind boggling to me when vets say they don't have problems.... I'd just do as you did: ask to have them checked, and expressed if they are full.

In answer to your question in Mannie's condo this is what I wrote there: "My vet tells me that normal is 100-120. Then they factor into that vet stress, so 160/170/180 is viewed as acceptable when at a vetty office. normally that would be awful... I really wish I could test it at homer so we would know what is actual BP is under normal conditions. "

Sending feel better vines for JD! Have a good day today.
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. AMPS 286, vet, +6 60, +7 51, +8.75 107

I think the blood pressure test equipment to do the test at home is something like a thousand dollars :roll: and looks hard to learn.
J.D. is just so mellow at the vets, that I don't know how much of a "white coat syndrome" he has. I asked our regular vet about this last week and mumbled something about "white coat syndrome", and I said when do you start treating for it, and he said when their hearts start racing or they get heart murmers, or something like that. Hmmmmm.

What are the symptoms of anal gland problems? Is it diarrhea? Is it fever? He had no swelling that I could see. Everything looks normal back there, but like his mouth, he squirms and hides so I only get to see quick glimpses.

I've asked our regular vet about the anal glands before, and he's dismissed it, as well.. :sad:

107 at +8.75. I told you that butt bath would do it. Now, I can go shopping for cookie ingredients..
 
I have never seen the number 600 on my meter before (just HI, unfortunately).
I gave him 0.05 (or half way up into the zero line) of R. It probably won't help much, but it may help a little.

I offered the kitties some canned FF Chicken Feast mixed with a few bites of raw, and so far there are no takers.

The kitties went outside for a minute at PMPS, and now I just got up and found J.D. back on the pillow of my bed.
I guess Ginger's still out there in the dark. I better go round her up.

J.D. come down, nice and easy, k? No poos since this mornings sample that J.D. provided before the vet apt.
 
I found Ginger and she is now on my bed too. J.D. ate his 1st Dinner (1/4 can FF Chicken without raw mixed in) served to him on the bed. He doesn't look out of it or in pain, kind of laying/sitting up (whatever that position is called), ears pointing forward, happy, just ready for bed. I guess I gave up on the trying to feed the raw mixture too soon, huh? I thought I'd try to get him to start eating some raw, tonight, and neither cat wanted it, so I just gave them the same FF without raw and they ate that.

Another thing the vet did today.. I gave him a list of the meds and suppliments J.D. is getting and he saw Coconut Oil and the vet just kept repeating coconut oil several times throughout our conversation. Finally, he asked me why I was giving him coconut oil and at first I forgot and said it was for the pancreatitis. He mentioned something about him using it himself and what it did to him and all I heard him say was weight gain and I heard those words and said "oh, sorry, that's why I'm using it is for weight gain.". I told him my other (regular) vet said J.D. is skinny and asked him if he thought J.D. was skinny and he just kind of mentioned the boniness of his back. Later he said the coconut oil can be causing the diarrhea... I asked him, what do I use for weight gain then, and he said salmon. Get fresh salmon and broil it, and cut it into pieces and give him a little each day..?..?..
:?: Does Coconut Oil cause diarrhea? Your thoughts and opinions on this, are welcome..
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. PMPS 600 - does coconut oil cause diarrhea?

Dyana

Just checked in quick to do a Gracie condo and saw your question. The coconut oil has not caused any diarrhea in any of my cats and Gus is on quite a bit; he gets 2-2.5 mls bid. Did you take him up slowly? You wouldn't want to start with the full dose right away. I started at .25mls bid and worked up slowly. Gracie and Tobey just get 1 ml bid each.

I hope you can figure it out and he feels better.
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. PMPS 600 - does coconut oil cause diarrhea?

I gave him .5ml last night, and .5ml a couple nights ago, and I think once or twice the same amount while on vacation.

I was syringing it into his mouth but did notice he practically lapped it up last night. When I saw him licking at the syringe, I decided to try squirting it into a bowl and he licked some of it up.
I kind of think it was just this vet's personal experience that made him say that.
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. PMPS 600 - does coconut oil cause diarrhea?

I think any oil if its too much can cause diarrhea. You could try cutting back on the amount of coconut oil and see if that reduces the problem. I'd be concerned about feeding fish any any large quantity.

FWIW, Wellness foods are higher in calories than many of the other LC foods due to a higher fat content.
 
Thanks Sienne. If I could get J.D. to eat it.
Maybe, I could add some Wellness a little at a time to his FF and then he would slowly start to like it.
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. PMPS 600 - does coconut oil cause diarrhea?

Zeus has had his anal glands expressed... The symptom - a really smelly bottom. If he walked by with his tail in the air it stunk up the room. The vet said they were very plugged. It didn't seem to bother him when plugged or when the vet expressed the glands.

Good luck with the liquid poo and with that high BG, hope J.D. Comes down nicely for you.
 
I'm glad J.D.'s vet visit went okay. I hope he starts feeling better soon and giving you better poo. I had a cat whose anal glands burst and I had to rush her to the vet. They can get impacted if they don't clean themselves. My cat was overweight and she couldn't reach to clean herself.
 
Dyana,

To express the glands the vet holds them in just the right place and squeezes and the yuck comes out. I don't do it myself because I don't want to hurt her and then fail to get it out. When washing them as a preventive though, you have to wash up with warm water. Up meaning towards the back, applying a little pressure so you're kind of gently pushing it out. I use a vet flush on the warm water and tissues. It took a long time for me to get it right. If you can get him on his side and lift his rear leg that is on top it will be much easier to control him and to see what you are doing. I have to clean Racci's bottom every time she poops to prevent rashes and infections so I've become a pro at it.
Hope that helps.

Hugs,
Melanie & Racci
 
At first I was picturing holding him on the edge of the sink with the tap water warming up and trying to hold him there and trying to lift up his rear leg too lol phew..
So, you get a bowl? of warm water and go and sit down on the couch, and have him lay on his side and then do the lifting and trying to wash him, going up not down, with the strokes? Is that about right? He ain't gonna like this..
But, he didn't even lick himself dry after, I used a wet paper towel and slightly scrubbed his butt this afternoon while he was walking around. He just walked around with a wet butt.
 
Zener needs his anal glands expressed about every 2 months and Tillie gets hers expressed too. They are usually sore for a couple of days and then feel much better. Deborah expresses Shasta's glands herself. Brave woman.
Liz
 
This has been a very interesting condo, Dyana. I never thought about the cats' anal glands. My little dog had to have hers expressed periodically....dogs let you know they are uncomfortable, by scooting. Do cats do that?

How do you measure the coconut oil? Do you melt it first? Checkers loves it. I give a teeny bit on the back of my hand, and he licks it, like hairball goo.
 
my mom takes coconut oil and it does cause diarrhea. they even tell you that. supposed to start out with small amounts and gradually increase
 
Oh Dyana - what a tail you have to tell! Everyone needs a good butt washing, don't they? They should make litter boxes like those bidet thingers - shoot some water right up kitties butt! They wouldn't mind that at all, I'm sure :shock:

The way you are handling all these challenges is an inspiration to me. J.D. is so fortunate to have you as a mamabean! :YMHUG:
 
Ginger screams like I'm cutting her when she gets diarrhea and needs a butt wash, and J.D. comes into the kitchen to see wth is going on.

Yes, I melt it. I put it in a little baby food sized jar, and when I need some, I place that jar into some hot water and just wait for some to melt and give J.D. some with a syringe. I guess I've been giving him too much.

Dian, Thank You :YMHUG: It's nice to see you my friend, as always. I will go slower with the coconut oil.
None tonight, and maybe start again tomorrow or on Monday, with 0.25ml SID, or something.

J.D. ate a little tiny bit of the FF mixed with raw, but that's all. Ginger didn't touch it. J.D. just finished his 2nd Dinner of pure FF. Both cats are still on my bed, and probably well on their way to their nightly sleep. I'll be joining them soon.
 
when did the diarrhea start? Any new food could cause it so it could be the coconut oil. You could try stopping for a few days to see what happens although if you started the Flagyl already you wont know which is working. One thing at a time

Tiggy has had 2 week long courses of Flagyl for diarrhea and its great when he is on it but comes back as soon as he is off. we did a fecal sample for parasites/protozoas and it was clear so next thing is a butt swab to check for bacteria. we know its not food because my other cats and my mums cats got it too though.
Siennes cat was on flagyl for a month for diarrhea and it cleared up nicely. ( she had tests done but nothing showed up)

My vet shaved Tiggys bum one time ( during his dental?) it was great - he really managed to keep it clean nicely.. no more klingons.
 
Re: 12/08 J.D. PMPS 600, +3 315

I haven't given the first dose of Flagyl yet. I think I'll go do that now. Although he hasn't pooed at all since this morning, but the vet said the Flagyl might help him to clear up the little pimple he has on his lip.

He had a lot of stress those two weeks in CA. Two long (basically 12 hour of travel time) flights, and the stress of being at my dad's house..which he handled better than ever this time, and ate everyday, day and night, and I gave him Miralax twice a day while there, as he has a history of getting constipated while there, but didn't this time.

The Coconut Oil is new.
The Azodyl is new.
The few nuggets of Chick Chick Chicken freeze dried raw Dinner is new.
..the miralax twice a day for almost two whole weeks was new..

He's in the litter box now, but nothing is happening...wait,, oh he peed.

Can I just buy some of those human wet wipes for his butt washing, or should I just use water?

Okay, Flagyl has been given. Those two pills filled up the pill pocket competely. It was like a marble of pill pocket.

Off to beddy bye, for me, now. I'm joining my kitties
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I'll set an alarm to test him in a couple hours. Ni Ni.
 
I'll also jump on that anal gland problem...Like Tarragon, our civvie Zen also had abscessed glands that ruptured last year, too...very much a nightmare! I drives me crazy when vets say "most cats don't..." and then brush of the question at hand. "Most" doesn't mean ALL! If you think it's an issue, keep on that vet!

J.D...come down from there right now!!!
 
Out of 21 of my kitties, two got ruptured anal sac; both female. I didnt notice any redness or swollen sore before the ruptured and like most vets, my vet didnt think it's common. Poor JD, no wonder that 600! Washing their behind is the most humilating thing to be done to a male cat. I'd rather leave it. :lol:
I am sure all of us wanted to have the best for our kitties. But as Wendy said, I think it's better to introduce one thing " new" at a time. Let them settle down before another. Our "old babies" are too sensitive to changes :lol:
First time I gave oilve oil to Rosy, she had liquid poo afterwards. Definitely I gave too much nailbite_smile , so later I gave a small tsp each day, & she's fine. But she did not gain weight! :roll:
 
I do not recommend trying to express the anal glands yourself!!!!! :lol: My least favorite part of Shasta...the butt end!!!!! Hope J.D. starts feeling better soon...and no more of those HI numbers, please! Sweet dreams!
 
Hi Dyana,
Sorry I didn't get back last night to confirm.
At first I was picturing holding him on the edge of the sink with the tap water warming up and trying to hold him there and trying to lift up his rear leg too lol phew..
So, you get a bowl? of warm water and go and sit down on the couch, and have him lay on his side and then do the lifting and trying to wash him, going up not down, with the strokes? Is that about right? He ain't gonna like this..
But, he didn't even lick himself dry after, I used a wet paper towel and slightly scrubbed his butt this afternoon while he was walking around. He just walked around with a wet butt.
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:lol: :lol: I could just see that balancing act on the sink! Especially with 20 lb Racci who's scared of everything! :lol: :lol:
Yes, pretty much. I just get everything ready ahead of time. I put a towel on the ottoman & get a box of tissues and a bowl of hot water and her bottle of flush. She never wants to lay on her side for me so I have to pull her leg up to get her there when she's laying on her tummy and hold her bushy tail up and squirt the flush on the wet towel or tissues and go up towards the tail kind of pulling the anus open a little a few times and then dry her. I have to brush Racci too or she gets matted with all that thick long fur. Racci gets rashes if left wet and it's also kind of cold. :smile: The part she hates the most is the brushing, believe it or not.

TTYL.

Hugs,
Melanie & Racci
 
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