11/6/2010 Sooty PMPS 265 IAA=17%

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Perry and Sooty

Perry and Sooty

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Yesterday...

Today: AMPS 309 +3 245 +5 232 +7 247 +9 254 PMPS 265

(Seems like relatively minor news today - but we just upped him this AM, from 4.75u to 5.0 u)

OK on to the big NEWS: I called the Vet office again this AM and one of the other Drs just called back, he really wanted not to tell me anything until they have both the results in, but I pried the IAA result out of him, somehow ---

IAA : 17% (is that right, IAA number is a percentage?)

So guys, what does this mean? Also maybe relevant:

Sooty's BG #s have been creeping up the last few days - and his appetite has definitely gotten worse at the same time. He's back to almost constantly asking for food, even right after he's just eaten... yesterday's total was 21ozs of FF LC. He is a total vacuum cleaner. Don't know where it's all going as he is NOT putting on any weight at all.

Happy Caturday, LLers!
(p.s. we're just 15 minutes away from completing the shift of his shot time that extra hour, so that's good..!)
 
Re: 11/6/2010 Sooty APMS 309 + IAA Result!!!

See this link - the info on IAA is dow toward the bottom. It looks like >20% is considered IAA positive.
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
See this link - the info on IAA is dow toward the bottom. It looks like >20% is considered IAA positive.
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Thanks for the link!! Will go read it right now...
 
Re: 11/6/2010 Sooty APMS 309 + IAA Result!!!

Morning Sooty come on down from the pink floor :smile: happy your test results on in and I am sure those who know about this test will give you feedback
 
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Boo had an IAA of 26% and IGF-1 of 407. Jojo, the most knowledgeable person around here (who is no longer here) felt that the IAA was a false positive caused by the definitely positive IGF-1. So....I'm wondering if your IGF-1 will be positive. You guys have never been at a very high dose, but the lack of response to any dose is suspicious. Can't believe you have to wait another week. I actually might get results next week as well...Boo had some blood drawn back in July that has been sitting with Dr. Lunn (Colorado State University) and she said she'd finally be sending the batch next week.
 
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Good luck with the dosecrease, Perry. I know nothing about the IAA, but there are lots of experts here. Come on down, Sooty. That 309 is really close to yellow!
 
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Thanks for all the feedback so far, it's really very helpful!

So 17% is I guess what you'd call "borderline high"... so now I think I can understand a little more, why our vet wanted to get the IGF-1 result in too, before trying to reach any conclusions.

So 17% was the number on 10/25 (when he was on 3.5u BID). Given that we've been increasing the dose steadily since then, I find myself wondering if it would be helpful to know if the IAA has risen since, in response (to 'fight' the added insulin?). But I guess the IGF-1 result might make that academic - depending on what we get...

So then, it's prettty much a case of going back to 'hurry up and wait for MSU'... it would seem?
 
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see now, i've already learned something this morning. thank you for that, perry.

any chance MSU is Montana State University? Mannie and Binks both live in the NW, and it wouldnt take much to convince these two delinquents to take a road trip to try to , umm..."liberate" Sooty's test results... :lol:

sorry, not making light of the frustration of having to wait...but i know you have a god sense of humor...

celi & binks

eta: i meant a "good" sense of humor. my vision of a "god" sense of humor is pointing at the intricacies of the human physical attributes and saying...'look what i came up with!"
 
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Unfortunately, it does sound like a "hurry up and wait" situation. Sorry.

FWIW, I don't think Sooty's dose is particularly high. Generally, I don't start thinking about a high dose condition until a cat in in the 6.0u range. There are any number of kitties here who go to doses at or close to the 6.0u range that then reach a breakthrough dose and come down the dosing ladder. If you are questioning whether Sooty has a high dose condition, it's worth getting it investigated because there are lots of times our guts are telling us something we don't always listen to.

If you're wondering about getting the IAA test run again, it may be worth asking over on the High Dose Forum. There are people on that forum who are very familiar with these diagnoses and the diagnostic testing who can inform you. I would have to research this, but I don't think that the IAA results change over time. What you may want to ask your vet to inquire about is what the margin of error is on the test or is there a range once you figure in measurement error.

Um.... Celi -- you'd be heading Mannie in the wrong direction. MSU = Michigan State University. Just keep heading east.
 
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mybuddybinks said:
see now, i've already learned something this morning. thank you for that, perry.

any chance MSU is Montana State University? Mannie and Binks both live in the NW, and it wouldnt take much to convince these two delinquents to take a road trip to try to , umm..."liberate" Sooty's test results... :lol:

sorry, not making light of the frustration of having to wait...but i know you have a god sense of humor...

celi & binks

eta: i meant a "good" sense of humor. my vision of a "god" sense of humor is pointing at the intricacies of the human physical attributes and saying...'look what i came up with!"
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Me, sense of humor? Where'd you get that idea? :twisted: !!!!
I like the eta !! I see you obviously have no sense of humor either! hehehehehe!
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
Unfortunately, it does sound like a "hurry up and wait" situation. Sorry.

FWIW, I don't think Sooty's dose is particularly high. Generally, I don't start thinking about a high dose condition until a cat in in the 6.0u range. There are any number of kitties here who go to doses at or close to the 6.0u range that then reach a breakthrough dose and come down the dosing ladder. If you are questioning whether Sooty has a high dose condition, it's worth getting it investigated because there are lots of times our guts are telling us something we don't always listen to.

If you're wondering about getting the IAA test run again, it may be worth asking over on the High Dose Forum. There are people on that forum who are very familiar with these diagnoses and the diagnostic testing who can inform you. I would have to research this, but I don't think that the IAA results change over time. What you may want to ask your vet to inquire about is what the margin of error is on the test or is there a range once you figure in measurement error.

Um.... Celi -- you'd be heading Mannie in the wrong direction. MSU = Michigan State University. Just keep heading east.
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All good stuff Sienne, agree with all that you say... I do have a gut feeling that a high dose is where we will eventually be, but would love nothing better than to find the next dosecrease would actually DO something!!! I think I'll not bother the high dose forum folks just yet, though... although that is a terrific suggesiton I will keep in my baclk pocket for when or if, the time comes!
 
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I have followed your condos with interest - now I'm off to read those links.

eta: Sooty's dose seems high when you look at all these other SS where kitties are taking little microdrops of insulin daily. Track down Gayle and Shadoe's SS. And talk about Hoovers - I hate to think what her monthly cat food bill is. Sooty has a long way to go to reach that level. While you wait for your other results, wouldn't hurt anything just to lurk and read over on the high-dose board. You never know here, what sort of nuggets you can glean from reading each others' condos/posts.
 
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hey, progress! you received half the results you've been waiting for! :-D
17% is below the cut-off for IAA... although close to that 20% mark. it'll be interesting to see what the results of the acro test yield.
 
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Kim 'n Shadow said:
I have followed your condos with interest - now I'm off to read those links.

eta: Sooty's dose seems high when you look at all these other SS where kitties are taking little microdrops of insulin daily. Track down Gayle and Shadoe's SS. And talk about Hoovers - I hate to think what her monthly cat food bill is. Sooty has a long way to go to reach that level. While you wait for your other results, wouldn't hurt anything just to lurk and read over on the high-dose board. You never know here, what sort of nuggets you can glean from reading each others' condos/posts.
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It's not so much whatever dose we've reached, for me, it's more the lack of any real response at all... his numbers are still essentially no different from when he was getting no insulin at all. The only thing that ever changed his numbers was using the old-style test strips! That and the other things like his appetite seeming to get worse the higher the dose goes...

ANyhow I like your suggestion to go and lurk on high-dose, I shall do just that !!!!
Hope you have a super weekend and thanks so much for stopping by. Much appreciated...!
 
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Roni and Moonie said:
Just hoping this all turns out well & Sooty will be feeling better--
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THANK you - !! Well put - that sums it all up, really, doesn't it!?! (Must be awful to feel that hungry, all the time..)
 
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