11/3/13 Angie am+3=113 +9.5=38

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GraceAndAngie

GraceAndAngie

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Good morning everyone,

There were no LB prezzies overnight. Angie hardly ate and was very lethargic. I put her in her litter box and she lay down and slept there last night. This morning I found her covered in litter and ungroomed. The litter was unused but she is normally super fastidious and will clean herself all over if only one foot gets dirty!

I took her to the vet, armed with my spreadsheet and all my convert-a-vet literature. I hadn't wanted to do that in a crisis but I needed to tell them everything so that they would have her history. Our usual vet wasn't there but we saw another who I've liked in the past. He was very concerned that I had taken on altering her insulin doses and changed her food without consultation with them (they told me that it couldn't be done anyway). I got quite a talking to. I wish at the time I had pointed out that they told me to come back in two months, keep her on 1 unit twice a day for all that time, and yet she got a 49 in my first glucose curve! But I didn't. He also said that he was impressed that I had managed home testing and had a spreadsheet for him. He asked if he could borrow the literature that I had printed and was happy that I said it was for him.

Anyway, poor Angie seems quite sick. He couldn't feel much stool and thought there might be something else going wrong. He thought that she might not be as overweight as I thought and that instead she's retaining fluid. He's going to try and "tap it" and do a full blood screen.

I couldn't get enough blood for a pm +9 bg, and she didn't eat. I slept through her ambg time, because it was before the vet opens and thought it wouldn't matter too much to miss that if she's not eating. I tested her before going to the vets (113) but she had eaten some food by then so I don't know if that was partly food induced or not.

I hope that she's going to be ok and that it's nothing serious.

Thanks for all the lovely birthday wishes yesterday. Angie enjoyed my present opening and got in a gift box.



Yesterday's condo is here.
 

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Re: 11/3/13 Angie am+3=113 - sick kitty at the vets

Hi Grace, I'm so sorry to hear Angie is not feeling well. Sending get better vines and wishing her a speedy recovery from whatever is ailing her.
 
Re: 11/3/13 Angie am+3=113 - sick kitty at home now

I just got her back from the vet. She's still lying down in her carrier box. She normally runs away from it as soon as I open the door - and hisses at when ever she sees it or walks past it!

He did a rectal exam and felt her tummy and said he could feel a small amount of poo there but not a blockage anywhere. We'll get the blood test results back this afternoon or perhaps tomorrow morning. He said if they were all clear we could do an ex-ray tomorrow but he didn't think that there was a blockage so wanted the bloods first. He said that he couldn't get any fluid out so she doesn't seem to be retaining a lot. Fluid or gas would show up on an ex-ray but he's thinking it's likely to be something else that we'll see on her blood tests. I don't like the sound of that "something else" but I guess I just have to wait for the bloods.
 
Re: 11/3/13 Angie am+3=113 - sick kitty at the vets

Paws crossed that it something easy to treat and healing vines for Angie. She doesn't sound like she's feeling good at all, still sitting in the carrier.
Prayers for her too.
 
Re: 11/3/13 Angie am+3=113 +9=38

Hi,

I haven't heard back from the vet's on Angie's blood tests. She didn't eat much at all this morning. I just tested her bg and got a 38. Is that normal for a cat who hasn't eaten much in the morning?

I gave her a tsp of HC food. She wasn't interested in eating her normal food but was quite excited about the HC.

She's got me worried but I have no idea what to do for her.

Grace
 
Re: 11/3/13 Angie am+3=113 +9=38

Gotcha, Grace. Good job on the HC. Check in 20 and I'll wait for your number.

Yes, not eating can cause numbers to come down.

I'm going to look at her SS; you can take the 911 off. See you in a few.
 
Re: 11/3/13 Angie am+3=113 +9=38

Hey Grace, I just accidentally posted in yesterday's condo (I keep forgetting you're a day ahead.) I've been looking for an update on Angie and been sending vines.

Have you tested her since feeding the HC? How has she been acting otherwise? Is she moving around, preening, purring... the other Ps?
 
She's not moving around much. She's not cleaning herself - I've never seen her do that before - she's more fastidious than any cat I've known usually. Today no pee and no poo for three days. There's one more p? I've told all that to the vet though and he just wants to wait for blood tests.

I just gave her the HC. I'll test shortly to see what it does.
 
Re: 11/3/13 Angie am+3=113 +9=38

Grace

I'm sorry...I forgot she was on a trial :oops: :oops:

It's not rare or unusual for some cats (non diabetic or in remission) to have lower BGs. She can't hypo without insulin so it's not a bid deal if they get HC or not. If its the only thing she will eat, Id let her.

I hope they can find out what's wrong with her.

And...you don't have to retest.
 
Not in a cat not getting insulin. Every once in a while, some of the cats in remission will throw 20s and 30s.

I'd not be worried about her BG right now. I'm more worried about the way she is a ring, not eating, lethargic, etc,
 
The 5 P's are peeing, pooing, preening, playing, and purring.

I'm so sorry to hear she is not feeling well and hope it's just a temporary thing. I am thinking of you guys and sending lots of hugs and vines (((Grace)))
 
Some people can hypo on no insulin - so cat's probably can too. I've done it quite a few times! I'm not diabetic but I have troubles with hypoglycaemia.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Not in a cat not getting insulin. Every once in a while, some of the cats in remission will throw 20s and 30s.

I'd not be worried about her BG right now. I'm more worried about the way she is a ring, not eating, lethargic, etc,
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I'm glad I don't have to worry about her BG. I got quite a fright. I'm really hoping for her bloods to come back tonight so that we know what's wrong or can ex-ray if they're all clear.

Thanks so much for your quick responses and for your care.
 
It's after 5 and I imagine that labs would be shut by now. So Angie and I will have to wait out another night. Thanks for your well wishes. Angie has done a little bit of preening and a little bit of eating but none of the other p's.

She looks up at me with big eyes and I wouldn't be surprised if she is in some pain. The vet didn't think so though but the vet also said she wasn't blocked up. How could she not be after 3, probably 4 days of not pooing and 2 days of not peeing? Although, she has been eating less.

I haven't been testing much because I wanted to give her a break.
 
Angie's eating again and has cleaned herself up but still no pees or poos. Prezzies please Angie!

confused_cat

I'm off to bed and will update with blood test results in the morning.
 
Have a good sleep.

Didn't you say before that she goes outside, and may have gone out there?
I hope the blood tests come back all good.
 
Dyana said:
Didn't you say before that she goes outside, and may have gone out there?
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I've had her in since Saturday at about midday because I was starting to get suspicious. Even though she goes outside, she normally "goes" inside - and it had been quite a few days since I'd seen any poos. On dry food she used to go daily but I've noticed that she's not as frequent on her new diet (although was still peeing frequently). This just seems a bit too infrequent. No pee on Sunday or Monday. No poos for I don't know how long but definitely not since Saturday midday.
 
Sorry, if I'm tired from lack of sleep, but no pees? Did they check to make sure she's not blocked? I'm sure they must have.

I give J.D. some baby food squash mixed in with his low carb wet food sometimes if he seems to be not pooing. It helps him to go.

Good luck with your test results.

Feel better Angie cat_pet_icon
 
Re: 11/3/13 Angie pm+3=83 +9=113

Well, I'm still worried for her but she seems a little relieved. She's done a pee on the laundry floor :roll: and she's back to purring and preening. She still looks like she's in pain though. I think I should have insisted on an ex-ray yesterday.

The vet said her bladder wasn't too full. He doesn't think that she's blocked, he thinks I'm on the wrong track. I'd trust his better knowledge, if it wasn't for lack of LB action.
 
Would steaming and puréeing a Japanese pumpkin be similar? I don't think butternut's are in season at the moment and all the baby food options have corn, carrots, potatos etc as well.
 
Grace,
You said she peed on the floor... any chance she's been going in some other non-LB location in secret and you just haven't found it yet? If she hasn't been eating, the lack of pooping isn't really shocking (nothing in, nothing out). Have you seen her drinking water at all? Did your vet check for dehydration? Or a UTI?

Carl
 
I was glad to read that Angie was eating again. Kitties on a raw diet do not poop as much as those on canned or dry food. There is less waste in their diet. Both my kitters go about every other day. Or sometimes just a few little pieces.
 
The vet said that Angie wasn't dehydrated. I'll ask about the UTI. Her tummy seems bigger and a bit taught like there is something in there that won't come out.

All Angie's bloods came back normal. We're going back to the vets now for further investigation - maybe an ex-ray.

Angie could have hidden poos somewhere but I haven't been able to find any and her stomach doesn't seem quite right. Also, she's still not acting normal. I know something is wrong anyway.
 
Angie is spending the day at the vets. We saw a different vet this morning (still not our usual one) and she is going to give her a miralax enema (because she could feel a bit of a build up in there). Also she is getting a urine sample to check for a UTI and asking the lab to test for pancreatitis with the blood they got yesterday.

The new vet didn't think her tummy was very pushed out either. She got her fingers in and dug around her tummy and couldn't feel any thing worth being concerned about - she didn't seem to have a particularly painful spot. So no ex-ray.

Wendy&Neko said:
Kitties on a raw diet do not poop as much as those on canned or dry food.
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I didn't realise it would be less than a canned diet (although I knew it would be less than dry) - that's good to know.
 
I cut pumpkin into pieces boil in water, smash & mix in with Rosy's meal. It's the fibre in the pumpkin helping her with her bowl movemnet. Choose those with more fibre inside. You can get a larger piece, cut into cubes & store in the freezer, use when need.
To Rosy, pumpkin works better than MIralax.
 
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