11/22 Crushy amps 432 +2 399 :(

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Michele M

Michele M

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well that was fun while it lasted :(

Im trying to figure out what caused his BG to skyrocket. was it the antibiotic injection yesterday? Is it a delayed bounce?

He seems to have gone straight up since yesterday afternoon (right after the injection....could be a coincidence though)

You asked about probiotic last night Wendy, I have him on Primal Defense. Its one that I know works really well and Ive used it on myself and my cats in the past. Thing is I started it right after he got home from the dental and he had good #s for a while there while taking it so I would be surprised if that is what is spiking his #s

I wonder if the good #s were just an after effect of the anesthesia?

Or sometimes when you take antibiotics you can feel a little worse before you feel better as the bugs die off. (at least thats the way it works with me) I wonder if its a whole bunch of bacteria dying off at the same time?..... I have no idea

He seems ok. More hungry this morning which makes sense with his #s so high. He is still holding himself like he doesnt feel so great from the dental but I see more improvement from yesterday. so....Im not worried

I put him back on 2 units btw
 
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O dear. Hopefully it's not a sign of an impending infection or something. His body has some adjusting to do I suppose. Bring it back down a few floors lil Crushy!
 
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Crap. I'm sorry Michele. :sad: is right.

I dunno. Wendy said that she had never heard of AB spike from injections just the liquid version. I had only been aware of the AB itself so that distinction was not something I heard before. There could be so many variables since he has had so much go on this week... like Jill said.
It took us a good 4-5 days for Hank to really sort of turn a corner..and 3 weeks before he was himself.
A couple people told me losing a canine is a much bigger deal to them emotionally alsp, and I buy that after seeing what hank went through. But in Crushy's case he only lost the one. From what you told me about that tooth i can't imagine he won't feel better with it gone, but maybe it is just still really sore?

Between the infection (if there is one), the effects of the AB (likely), the post surgical soreness, sutures and just getting used to his new mouth, who knows what is triggering. He had been through a lot and may just still need a little more time to recover. At least he is eating well and the rest of the good things you said.

See how the 2U does today. Since there are so many changes You will probably just have trial and error. It's just hard I know after yesterday...you see all the yellow and want blue then green then OTJ by the weekend ;-) As Jill says, it's a process. Let's see what happens today on this.
By delayed bounce, do you mean from blue on Wed? You're the crushy pattern expert..does he do that sometimes?
Anyway, it does suck. I am with you. hopefully gets better soon.

BTW, how about this weather :-Q blech
( i woke up when front came through and could not fall back asleep - was up for hours!- so zzzz today) ~O)
 
thanks Tara and Betty

He was acting like he didnt feel so hot so I gave him some fluids. Hopefully that will help a little. He has been through a lot in the last few days. Its hard to tell if its an emotional response to loosing the canine, his mouth is still ouchy, the AB are making him feel yucky, or its because his #s are high. Times like this I really wish he could talk

my gut feeling is that the AB are making him feel yucky. He is just sort of still like he just wants to lay there. His fur looks really good though, not rumply at all and his eyes are bright. He is still eating and purring a little. Im not worried yet, just keeping a close eye on him.

he has had a delayed bounce before Betty....but not that delayed. I have seen him bounce into reds from yellows though. Its just hard to tell at this point what is happening....

(and yea this weather bites...38 and rainy? yuk )
 
Times like this I really wish he could talk
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....I keep tellin' ya that. ;-)



This all sounds very familiar- read our recent dental condos. Trying to figure out what the deal is when there are so many deals is so hard.
And Hank ended up meatloafing and/or in the carrier (or both) for hours on end for days on end. And very still even when he was out.
I will tell you that AB is evil. He had liqui poos still a week+ after we stopped dosing.
 
I will tell you that AB is evil. He still had liqui poos a week+ after we stopped dosing.
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I know...I hate antibiotics. The main reason I went with injectable AB was to hopefully make it a little easier on his stomach. I guess we will find out if that actually works or not...
 
Hi Michelle,
I don't think I've visited Crushy's condo before; sorry about that! In looking at your SS I see that the oral surgery was only 2 days ago. I would not be surprised to see those higher numbers this morning. Sometimes it takes a day or two for a "traumatic" event to "sink in" and then the numbers go up. And he will now need time to heal before he can get back to normal. Also, I see that he had clindamycin injections yesterday. Clindamycin, as I understand it, is one of the most powerful antibiotics. My doctor describes it as having a "sledgehammer" effect. It could very well be making him feel awful. I think your best course of action is to continue the meds for the specified period and make sure that Crushy is getting probiotics to counteract the effect of the clindamycin (which will certainly kill off all of the "good" bacteria in his system along with the "bad"). As Betty says, don't try to change too many things at once; you won't know what is causing what if you make lots of changes. Perhaps ask one of the experts here about what you should do about his dose while he is on the medication. I would be inclined just to hold it where it is and monitor him carefully.

Hang in there!

Ella & Rusty

p.s. Rusty has only 5 teeth and does very well. He still has his lower canines and 3 other teeth.
 
Darn on those numbers. :sad: Is Crushy still getting bupe for pain? Might help to put times/days he gets bupe into the SS. If he's still feeling some mouth pain it could impact the numbers. But I agree with you that it's likely the AB making him feel yucky. Good plan on the increase until things gets sorted out. Just keep monitoring as you do, cause at one point some of these issues could get resolved and the numbers could come tumbling down.

When I said that some probiotics can spike BG's, it's the "other ingredients" that the probiotics are packaged with that can do it.
 
thanks Ella, it makes sense that it takes a little while for the traumatic event to sink in. And I had heard that clindamycin was really strong...ugh. poor little guy.

Wendy, the probiotic I have him on does list rice maltodextrin but its the second to last ingredient. And Im giving him about 1/2 to 1/3 a tablet spread out through the day. I sort of figured it was nominal...but geez who knows! I didnt really like fortiflora because it only had one strain of probiotic or I would have used that. Im tempted to just put him on the probiotic that I take. It has no fillers its just reeeeeaaly strong. I'd have to give him such a teeny amount.

Betty, which part of that thread do you think might apply to Crushy?
 
At least a peek of yellow in there. It's not the best..BUT your PMPS was over 100pts less than AMPS.
So that's at least the right direction.

So what do you think...a bounce or meds,sore, etc?

Saw you went back to raw...how did he do..could he chew ok?
I'm not sure I even know...do you grind it or is it chunks?

It's good sleeping weather anyway. Hopefully he sneaks back down tomorrow.
 
just poking my head in to see how crushy's doing. punkin took the clindamycin hard and it took a while for the diarrhea to go away. the good thing about it is that it's very effective on anaerobic bacteria, and when there's a lot of oral surgery ick happening, that's what is needed. crushy'll get used to the missing teeth. he's been through a lot and will need time to recover.

hang in there! we're cheering for you guys. :YMHUG:
 
Hi Michele,

I have been reading your condos to see how Crushy is doing post dental. I didn't realize how involved dental work is for a cat and all the things that need to be considered.

I know that pain, trauma, and stress can influence BG's so you will probably see more improvement as Crushy gets back to himself.

He has been through a lot. I am glad that he is eating and feeling better.
 
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