11/17 TIFIL AMPS 509, BACK FROM VET, NEED ADVİCE?

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ISIL&TIFIL

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Hello,
We are back from vet and tıfıl had her teeth cleaned. The vet said that her mouth is far to good for a 11 years old cat, this is the good news, but here comes the bad news :(
She had her labs done and the results are;

LİPASE 1977 U/L HİGH (100-1400)
AMYL 498 U/L LOW (500-1500)
CHOLESTROL 362 mg/dL HİGH (65-225)
TRİGLYCERİDES 183 mg/dL HİGH (10-100)

Every other test results are normal (liver, kidney and so on)
My question is;
The vet took blood to send to England to find out if she has pancreatitis. (this special test for cats does not exist in Turkey) the result will come in 10 days.
The vet told me that he is suspicious of pancreatitis and if so there is not much thing to do.
Is this right? I mean if she is pancreatitis is there a cure for this? Are there any medications?
And what does low levels of amylase and high levels of lipase mean in cats? can these degrees change due to another health problem instead of pancreatitis?
Thank you
 
((((((((((Tifil and Isil)))))))))) You will have to wait for others as I'm not well versed in pancreatitis. Here is a link to read up on it. I hope others will be here soon with advice. I do know that it is recommended that the cat be given pain meds and keep them hydrated . Was Tifil sent home w/ any meds?

There have been several discussions of pancreatitis here and it is not an uncommon side issue w/ FD cats. But there is no need to despair, it is very treatable. I'll try to find some of the other threads.
 
Isil:

I'm glad you took Tifil to the vet. Lipase is a pancreatic enzyme which aids in the breakdown of fats. It might be elevated if there is inflammation in the pancreas but it is not a reliable marker of pancreatitis.

One thing I see is her cholesterol and triglycerides are high. A good remedy for that is a really good Omega 3 fatty acid capsule. 1000 mg with at least 150 mg being EPA. You just squirt it on her food. That should help those numbers come down a bit. A lower triglyceride level is good for FD.

In the US, we treat pancreatitis with subq fluids, a pain med such as buprenex, and usually an anti nausea med. I'm not sure how much of that is available to you but that's the routine treatment here.

Sending Tifil healing vines. And hugs for you.
 
Back again, I found this post from JoJo (one of the backbones of FDMB) it gives a good overview:
chronic pancreatitis (or does my cat have a pepcid deficiency?)
Posted by: jojo and bunny(GA) and Y (IP Logged)
Date: December 13, 2007 10:26PM
things are going great. diabetic fluffy is nicely regulated. and then one day...just seems "off". BG numbers are higher. not eating much. maybe vomits later that night. hunched up in the 'meatloaf' position. lethargic. what is going on? you listen to the freely dispensed pepcid advice off board and after a couple of days fluffy seems to snap out of it. pepcid rocks! and recommend it to the next person on board that posts about their diabetic cat being "off".
however a few weeks/months later fluffy goes through the same episode. and again. and again. some of the episodes are worse than others. that last attack was bad and you got scared and fluffy was hauled off to vet for some basic blood work. yet nothing really abnormal on the results. is this just a normal part of being a diabetic cat? does your cat have a basic pepcid deficiency??? no.
it is estimated that AT LEAST 30% of all diabetic cats have what is known as Chronic Pancreatitis (CP). makes sense, the pancreas is the weak link with diabetics, in fact CP could be the causative factor on why fluffy became diabetic in the first place. simply put the pancreas has 2 types of basic functions the production of metabolic hormones (like the one everyone knows about, insulin) and the production of digestive enzymes. with pancreatitis it is the production of those digestive enzymes that is out of whack. when the pancreas 'misfires' and activates those digestive enzymes too early, the pancreas actually starts to digest itself and then the surrounding tissue and nearby organs, and systemic inflammation and toxin production ensues. there is a close link between CP with IBD and Cholangiohepatitis, (all three together collectively known as Triaditis).
so what now?
the best diagnostic test available is the fPLI (feline pancreatic lipase immunoreactivity ) [http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/courses_vm546/content_links/Clinical_Pathology/Lab_Tests/PLI.htm] not perfect but far better than the options we had in the recent past.
it is far better to have a diagnosis (always) because then you and your vet can form a plan better than just pepcid. SQ fluids and pain management top the list. CP flare ups ARE painful...look carefully at how your cat is acting, it is not easy to tell when a cat is in pain, they hide it well. it is not just nausea that is keeping fluffy hunkered down under the chair, it is pain.
possible tools your vet might have you use:
~SQ fluids
~ pain meds
~ anti-nausea meds (hey look pepcid falls in this category)
~ antioxidants (vitamin E ~water-dispersible form preferred and vitamin C ~non-acidic Ester-C form preferred)
~ liver support (milk thistle, denosyl, or marin)
~ vit b-12 injections(especially if bowel involved)
~ +/- pancreatic digestive enzymes (to 'predigest' food, however some controversy in vet med on whether or not to use these)
~ +/- antibiotics if indicated
~ +/- steroids if needed
~ +/- appetite stimulants if needed (and if liver not involved, some of these are contraindicated with liver issues)
can all be used to help the cat through the flare up. your vet can work up a treatment plan for managing your cat's CP flare up attacks.
the veterinary community is still undecided on the issue of fat content of food and whether or not it is something to be considered in feline CP. it is very much an issue in human or canine CP, however felines are very unique in how they utilize the fats (and protein) in their diets. anecdotally, some owners find that lowering the fat content (to about 35% or less) of their CP diabetic cat's diet even though it means they have to raise the carbs helps. ECID, you would have to experiment on that yourself. just a reminder on the topic of food..as a CP flare up begins cats will eat less in the days leading up to it and often not eat at all when the attack is in full force, know that it does not take many days of reduced calorie intake to make hepatic lipadosis possibly rear its ugly head, especially in a liver already compromised.
cats that are simply diabetic with no other condition going on should not need pepcid ever...if you are reaching for the pepcid again, maybe reach for the phone and call your vet instead and discuss the possibility that your diabetic cat might be one in that 30%.
 
Hi guys .. no advice on the possible pancreatitis, but I do know it is treatable! I'm glad to hear the teefers were in good shape and hope those high numbers come down for you! Have a great day!
 
Marjorie and Gracie said:
Isil:

I'm glad you took Tifil to the vet. Lipase is a pancreatic enzyme which aids in the breakdown of fats. It might be elevated if there is inflammation in the pancreas but it is not a reliable marker of pancreatitis.

One thing I see is her cholesterol and triglycerides are high. A good remedy for that is a really good Omega 3 fatty acid capsule. 1000 mg with at least 150 mg being EPA. You just squirt it on her food. That should help those numbers come down a bit. A lower triglyceride level is good for FD.

In the US, we treat pancreatitis with subq fluids, a pain med such as buprenex, and usually an anti nausea med. I'm not sure how much of that is available to you but that's the routine treatment here.

Sending Tifil healing vines. And hugs for you.

Hello Mahorie,
I was giving fish oil to her, is it allright? I have been giving it to her for about 2 mounths.
 
Ann & Tess said:
Back again, I found this post from JoJo (one of the backbones of FDMB) it gives a good overview:
chronic pancreatitis (or does my cat have a pepcid deficiency?)
Posted by: jojo and bunny(GA) and Y (IP Logged)
Date: December 13, 2007 10:26PM
things are going great. diabetic fluffy is nicely regulated. and then one day...just seems "off". BG numbers are higher. not eating much. maybe vomits later that night. hunched up in the 'meatloaf' position. lethargic. what is going on? you listen to the freely dispensed pepcid advice off board and after a couple of days fluffy seems to snap out of it. pepcid rocks! and recommend it to the next person on board that posts about their diabetic cat being "off".
however a few weeks/months later fluffy goes through the same episode. and again. and again. some of the episodes are worse than others. that last attack was bad and you got scared and fluffy was hauled off to vet for some basic blood work. yet nothing really abnormal on the results. is this just a normal part of being a diabetic cat? does your cat have a basic pepcid deficiency??? no.
it is estimated that AT LEAST 30% of all diabetic cats have what is known as Chronic Pancreatitis (CP). makes sense, the pancreas is the weak link with diabetics, in fact CP could be the causative factor on why fluffy became diabetic in the first place. simply put the pancreas has 2 types of basic functions the production of metabolic hormones (like the one everyone knows about, insulin) and the production of digestive enzymes. with pancreatitis it is the production of those digestive enzymes that is out of whack. when the pancreas 'misfires' and activates those digestive enzymes too early, the pancreas actually starts to digest itself and then the surrounding tissue and nearby organs, and systemic inflammation and toxin production ensues. there is a close link between CP with IBD and Cholangiohepatitis, (all three together collectively known as Triaditis).
so what now?
the best diagnostic test available is the fPLI (feline pancreatic lipase immunoreactivity ) [http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/courses_vm546/content_links/Clinical_Pathology/Lab_Tests/PLI.htm] not perfect but far better than the options we had in the recent past.
it is far better to have a diagnosis (always) because then you and your vet can form a plan better than just pepcid. SQ fluids and pain management top the list. CP flare ups ARE painful...look carefully at how your cat is acting, it is not easy to tell when a cat is in pain, they hide it well. it is not just nausea that is keeping fluffy hunkered down under the chair, it is pain.
possible tools your vet might have you use:
~SQ fluids
~ pain meds
~ anti-nausea meds (hey look pepcid falls in this category)
~ antioxidants (vitamin E ~water-dispersible form preferred and vitamin C ~non-acidic Ester-C form preferred)
~ liver support (milk thistle, denosyl, or marin)
~ vit b-12 injections(especially if bowel involved)
~ +/- pancreatic digestive enzymes (to 'predigest' food, however some controversy in vet med on whether or not to use these)
~ +/- antibiotics if indicated
~ +/- steroids if needed
~ +/- appetite stimulants if needed (and if liver not involved, some of these are contraindicated with liver issues)
can all be used to help the cat through the flare up. your vet can work up a treatment plan for managing your cat's CP flare up attacks.
the veterinary community is still undecided on the issue of fat content of food and whether or not it is something to be considered in feline CP. it is very much an issue in human or canine CP, however felines are very unique in how they utilize the fats (and protein) in their diets. anecdotally, some owners find that lowering the fat content (to about 35% or less) of their CP diabetic cat's diet even though it means they have to raise the carbs helps. ECID, you would have to experiment on that yourself. just a reminder on the topic of food..as a CP flare up begins cats will eat less in the days leading up to it and often not eat at all when the attack is in full force, know that it does not take many days of reduced calorie intake to make hepatic lipadosis possibly rear its ugly head, especially in a liver already compromised.
cats that are simply diabetic with no other condition going on should not need pepcid ever...if you are reaching for the pepcid again, maybe reach for the phone and call your vet instead and discuss the possibility that your diabetic cat might be one in that 30%.

Dear Ann,
I can't find a word to express my feelings,
Thank you very much for searching and finding this message for us.
Let's see if the results come as positive (hope not)
 
PeterDevonMocha said:
Hi guys .. no advice on the possible pancreatitis, but I do know it is treatable! I'm glad to hear the teefers were in good shape and hope those high numbers come down for you! Have a great day!


Thank you very much Peter,
Her smile looks much better now :lol:
 
Merhaba Isil,

I've been wondering how you and Tifil have been. So glad Tifil is being tested for pancreatitis. I don't have experience with it, however I know it can raise BGs. No worries, there are many here who can help you and Tifil with pancreatis. :-D
(happy to see no ketones!)
 
Sandy and Black Kitty said:
Merhaba Isil,

I've been wondering how you and Tifil have been. So glad Tifil is being tested for pancreatitis. I don't have experience with it, however I know it can raise BGs. No worries, there are many here who can help you and Tifil with pancreatis. :-D
(happy to see no ketones!)

Merhaba Sandy,
I hope she will come down as possible. She was 509 this morning but now she is at 300's. Very playfull and very very very energetic, if she has pancreatitis then why no pain? why no vomiting? I hope the test will come negative...
 
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