11/17 Big Kitty AM 314 New Vet found, scary shot given

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Hi All,

We haven't posted in a couple weeks because up until this Monday there was not much new to report. Big Kitty's numbers after a few dips into high 100s went back to being persistently in his typical 300s. But, this past weekend there were a lot of changes. First, my DH and I were away for the weekend and we had a pet-sitter shoot Big Kitty. The sitter was giving a reduced dose (3 units vs the 4.5u Big Kitty was on before we left). Upon our return on Sunday, BK looked good and had good appetite, so I returned to the 4.5 dosing on Monday AM.

Both Monday and Tuesday BK had the longest surf in the yellows since he has been diagnosed, so it should be a reason for joy, BUT- his appetite became very poor. He was eating only about 50% of what he typically eats, and with no enthusiasm. Normally he devours EVO, which is his favorite food given only on occasion, but he started refusing even that. I checked him for ketones, as I thought the reduced dose may have done it for him, but he was negative.

This morning, he refused to eat his breakfast and he coughed up some saliva (it wasn't a solid throw-up, just saliva- sorry for being graphic) and it had red tint to it- looked like fresh blood. I completly panicked, skipped his AM shot and took him to a new vet I found in the phone book. I decided against taking him to his regular vet, because she has not been helpful at all with his treatment, acting like I stepped on her ego when I didn't follow her (rediculous) advice. She got on my last nerve during our last phone call when she suggested that I abandon testing BK altogether- even BEFORE SHOTS!!!!! I asked her what could be gained by that, and she said I would stress him and myself out less. My cat is PURRING when i test him, and not knowing his preshot would FREAK me out, thank you very much.

Anyways, I am just back from the new vet and here are the findings:
1. BK has a UTI
2. BK has an absess on his tooth (the vet said blood in his saliva probably from that)
3. He went from 17.2lb in September to 16.1 lb today...
4. There were NO KETONES

The new vet not only agreed to a dental, she suggested it!!!!!!!!! (Something that I was begging my old vet to consider for weeks, to no avail).

BK was given:
1. Sub-q fluids
2. A shot of metacam
3. A shot of Convenia- a long-lasting antibiotic.

And here comes my question: On the one hand I am thrilled I found this vet and we are scheduled for a dental on Friday. I long suspected that teeth might be a problem. BUT- I went on the Internet to look up the drugs he was given and found numerous HORROR stories about even healthy pets dying after a shot of Convenia!!!!!!!!!! Has anybody heard of this drug or has experience with it?

I am now really stressed that BK was given this shot. He looks fine right now, but it's only been over an hour since we are back home...Should I be concerned about it? What signs of a possible adverse reaction should I be looking for?

Let me know your thoughts,

Thank you All,

Eva
 
can't help you on the Covenia - but congrats on the new vet. and the upcoming dental. I'll be following Big Kitty with interest to see what that does to his numbers.
 
Kim 'n Shadow said:
can't help you on the Covenia - but congrats on the new vet. and the upcoming dental.
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Thank you. I want to be thrilled about this new vet and I am, just got concerned reading about this antibiotic. It supposedly lasts for 10-14 days and will take care of the UTI and help with the absess. But, all the stories about cats and dogs dropping dead after getting the shot got me really scared...
 
Yes there have been problems with convenia, but also a lot of cats have had no problems. Tess was given it without my being consulted last January after her dental too. She is just fine, but I'd make sure you new vet knows you never want it in the future. It is not listed for dentals, only for skin conditions that do not respond to other abs. Vets have started giving it because it is convenient and a lot of pet owners don't want the hassle of pilling their cats for 2 weeks.

Check out the warning signs for problems from it and keep an eye on BK as long as it is active in his system.

Metacam is also a no no for cats as it can cause kidney damage. You need to talk to your vet and let her know yu want to be advised beforehand what drug sill be used.
 
Some have gotten the Convenia and have had no adverse reactions to it. Read up about it and just watch him. The metacam is something else again.... here is a quick link on symptoms to watch for... http://www.vetinfo.com/using-metacam-cats.html
I think Bupe is a better choice for pain. Please watch Big Kitty and see what others have to say about the meds.

As far as the Convenia, I choose to give my kitties the oral Clavamox as an AB even though I have to administer it twice each day. The other lasts for 2 weeks and if there is an adverse reaction, it presents a problem. As your vet if you could have the oral ABs instead after the dental. Well, that's what I would do anyway...although my vet is a big fan of Convenia, they know that I do not want it....

I am glad that you discovered his dental issues and that you will be bringing him in for that. We usually give some sort of probiotic while they are on the ABs. Fortiflora is a good one. It can be sprinkled on their food a few hours after you gave the ABs and it replenishes the friendly bacteria in the intestines. Sometimes they do get diarrhea along with the ABs so it is good to give the probiotic. I would think that you could give it to Big Kitty each day since he got the shot....
Please just keep an eye on him and make sure he is acting okay...there is much written on the forum..and in Helath about the use of both of these drugs...best to read up on it and be aware for the future, okay?
Hope he will be feeling great soon!
 
Can't answer for the shot other than it looks like an anaphylasis type reaction .

Looks like they say to watch for lethargy...?
 
I agree with Ann. I have had both given to my cats. metacam can be scary, and yes will cause kidney problems, but I think some of that is due to frequent administration of the drug, and not a one time use. I have read of many people that have had metacam given as a one time thing, without any problems. I would advise, from my experience, not to use it again, I would avoid it in the future. Buprenex is the preferred pain med for cats. Metacam can be dangerous. I know for a fact that I lost one of my kitties to frequent use of the drug. The same for Convenia - it too can have serious side effects. The issue with it is that it is a long term AB, and once in the system you cannot "remove" it - it stays there, and should the kitty have a reaction to it you are looking at some serious problems. As Ann said many many kitties have been given this drug with NO problems. Read the warning signs, and should you see anything, get in touch with your vet. I would let them know how you feel about these drugs, so that they can update your chart.

No intention of trying to scare you - your kitty will be fine. I've been in the boat you were in - my vet too gave the drugs without my consent. It worked out all right for us, on all instances. But I have asked them not to administer them again.

I am elated that you have found a good vet - what a relief for you. I hope that BK recovers quickly from his UTI.
 
Thank you for your responses, guys.

Hmmm, so it sounds like both drugs he was given have problems...Geeee, just what I need on top of his poor regulation... I am just hoping he will be fine and no side-effects of these meds will occur.

What should I be thinking about with his dental on Friday? It seems like he won't be given any more ABs since he got this shot today, but I will talk to the vet about no more Convenia. Also, will ask her for a different pain med than Metacam. Anything else?

Is one shot of Metacam enough to cause kidney-failure, or would that be more likely with long-term use...?

Also- where can I get the probiotics for him...?

Thank you again,

Eva
 
Our baby Gracie is one of those who had an adverse reaction to Convenia. Within 5 mins of leaving the vet's office, she went into anaphylactic shock and collapsed while I was driving. I got the car turned around and grabbed her out of the carrier and started rubbing her vigorously, shaking her, breathing into her nose/mouth. Thankfully, we weren't far from the vet and I called them and told them we were back on the way in. Her gums were completely white. They were able to quickly revive her but said what I did probably saved her life. Now we have "NO CONVENIA" on every chart in big red letters. The vet most likely gave the convenia AND the metacam for the UTI. This is what hacks me off about vets....when the cat presents with UTI symptoms, they have to get urine to send it off and the best way to do it is by cystocentesis so they can do a culture and sensitivity...this takes time. But in the meantime, they put the cat on antibiotics and in alot of cases, it is not necessary and will clear on its own (not saying that applies to BK). Of course, there must be some underlying issue...STRESS is a big one, cyrstals another...that causes frequent trips to the LB and producing small amounts of urine and sometimes blood. Metacam is also often used in urinary tract issues to calm any inflammation. As it turns out, most cats do not actually have a bacterial urinary infection...it is not common in cats like it is in humans. You didn't really say what he's doing that made her think he has a UTI.

If you like this vet, I would talk to her and make sure she understands that your pets are not to have Convenia or Metacam in the future and should not have any meds without your prior approval.

Ann is correct about the metacam....it can cause kidney failure...but others may have more experience on the one dose vs repeated doses issue.

Hope BK feels much better soon and the dental will bring his numbers down!!
 
Marjorie and Gracie said:
Our baby Gracie is one of those who had an adverse reaction to Convenia. Within 5 mins of leaving the vet's office, she went into anaphylactic shock and collapsed while I was driving. I got the car turned around and grabbed her out of the carrier and started rubbing her vigorously, shaking her, breathing into her nose/mouth. Thankfully, we weren't far from the vet and I called them and told them we were back on the way in. Her gums were completely white. They were able to quickly revive her but said what I did probably saved her life. !
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Oh wow- that is frightening! Glad Gracie is fine now.

Regarding UTI- she took a sterile urine sample and I am guessing tested it with a dipstick for presence of infection.
 
Any ideas about how I should talk to the vet about no Metacam and no Convenia in the future? She is my new vet and I really don't want to burn bridges, as I mentioned in my eariler posts, there are very few vets in this town and I've already tried 3 other practices and could not work with them for various reasons (e.g. they would not prescribe Lantus, they would tell me to go up 1 unit at a time and NOT TEST my cat)...

I really want a good relationship with this vet. But, of course, my priority is to protect Big Kitty.

Any ideas about how to bring it up with her without causing a strife? I've had such bad experiences with opposing vets' orders....
 
I think the metacam is not so much a problem w/ one dose, just don't give any more. And it doesn't hurt all cats. I'm not that familiar with it as I never had it used on Tess, just what I've heard here. There is a search box at the top of the postings list, put metacam in there to see what has been said about it here and do the same in Health Forum. That is really the best plce to get a lot of eyes on this type of concern.

When you go back just say that you have researched the drugs and are worried. I'd print out the info you find on the drugs (Dr. Lisa's is a good one) and take them to her. Try to get info from veterinary sites whose opinions she would respect. Ask on the Health Forum, there are a lot of vet techs and even vets who check out posts there.
 
Print out info on the two with documentation about incidents, then just give them to your vet, asking to have your file marked that you do not want them given to your cat.
Explain that while it may be good in some cases, there are much safer things to give.
I think alot of pet owners would prefer a quick n dirty one-shot-fixes-all than to fight with kitty to give a pill .... and we all know how hard it can be to pill a cat! I think vets just assume some things.
I am sure you can decide on a nice way to say please don't give my cat Convenia or Metacam; my way was to say don't you DARE EVER to give my cats those horrible meds. Mark their files right now, every one of them! I went a bit overboard, but they are used to me by now.

I am so glad you found a way better vet.
I hope the dental goes well and BK gets into some seriously nice greens.
 
I will research and try to find some vet-written info on the dangers of Metacam and Convenia. hopefully, this vet will not take this as a critique, like my other one did...

Does anyone have links to any scientific info about these drugs, which would likely "speak" to my vet..?
 
Gayle and Shadoe said:
my way was to say don't you DARE EVER to give my cats those horrible meds. Mark their files right now, every one of them! I went a bit overboard, but they are used to me by now
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:lol: :lol: :lol: That is exactly what I wish I could say! And also- "stop being so freakin' ego-centric and realize that I am opposing your orders not to diminish your authority but to do what is best for my cat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" How is that for a nice way to introduce the topic...? ;-) ;-)
 
Ask on Health or Google them. Try convenia + cats or metacam + cats to get more specific results. Here are a couple, lots more out there,http://www.vetinfo.com/using-metacam-cats.html http://vetmedicine.about.com/b/2010...am-now-includes-warning-for-cats-on-label.htm

This is from Dr. Lisa's site

A quick note on the long-acting antibiotic called Convenia. Because this drug stays in the body for a very long time (up to ~60 days) it is one of the newest antibiotics to be terribly overused/abused. Veterinarians and lay people are seeing it as a quick and easy fix to their problems because they don't have to give it once or twice daily like with other antibiotics. It is typically given by injection once every 2 weeks. However, keep in mind that if an adverse reaction occurs, you cannot retrieve the drug from the body.

Convenia can cause severe anemia. There is a report on VIN (Veterinary Information Network) from a general practitioner who dealt with two cats that died within 10 days of receiving Convenia. They were otherwise healthy cats and had normal red blood cell counts prior to receiving Convenia. There is no absolute proof that Convenia caused their deaths but there is an extremely high index of suspicion that this drug was the culprit.

I also recently dealt with case of severe anemia post-Convenia in an otherwise healthy cat. The emergency clinic was able to save the patient's life after a 1 week stay in the hospital and the bill was over $5,000.
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Ann & Tess said:
Ask on Health or Google them. Try convenia + cats or metacam + cats to get more specific results. Here are a couple, lots more out there,http://www.vetinfo.com/using-metacam-cats.html http://vetmedicine.about.com/b/2010...am-now-includes-warning-for-cats-on-label.htm

This is from Dr. Lisa's site

A quick note on the long-acting antibiotic called Convenia. Because this drug stays in the body for a very long time (up to ~60 days) it is one of the newest antibiotics to be terribly overused/abused. Veterinarians and lay people are seeing it as a quick and easy fix to their problems because they don't have to give it once or twice daily like with other antibiotics. It is typically given by injection once every 2 weeks. However, keep in mind that if an adverse reaction occurs, you cannot retrieve the drug from the body.

Convenia can cause severe anemia. There is a report on VIN (Veterinary Information Network) from a general practitioner who dealt with two cats that died within 10 days of receiving Convenia. They were otherwise healthy cats and had normal red blood cell counts prior to receiving Convenia. There is no absolute proof that Convenia caused their deaths but there is an extremely high index of suspicion that this drug was the culprit.

I also recently dealt with case of severe anemia post-Convenia in an otherwise healthy cat. The emergency clinic was able to save the patient's life after a 1 week stay in the hospital and the bill was over $5,000.
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THANK YOU!!!!

One would have hoped that vets would be familiar with an FDA Black Box warnings on the drugs they give to pets...What a pain that I have to be on this crusade to educate every single vet I am dealing with....But, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Big Kitty seems fine so far- he even ate some food without much coaxing and now is laying stretched out (looks relaxed) on the carpet.
 
I'm just going to chime in really quick on Metacam (aka Meloxicam). I work part time in the vet clinic of a local animal shelter (but I'm not a vet or a registered vet tech! So take this with a grain of salt, this is purely from my experience), and we use metacam for post-operative pain relief (ie, the thousands of spay/neuters each year, amputations, etc.). It's a one time dose, and the vets are always very careful about the amount for a cat (actually males don't get any at all, since their neuters are so simple). I've been working there for over a year now, and as far as I know, we've never had a complication from Metacam.

I think Metacam is more of a concern if it's used as a longer term drug, or if the kitty already has kidney issues. Regardless, definitely discuss your concerns with your vet, and maybe ask about alternate treatments.

The only experience that I have with Convenia, is a few times adopters have actually gotten mad at us for NOT giving their kitty "the shot" instead of doing oral antibiotics, like the vet they went to after they adopted the cat did, even though the cat had an URI, which Convenia is NOT indicated for.
 
Wulfwin said:
I'm just going to chime in really quick on Metacam (aka Meloxicam). I work part time in the vet clinic of a local animal shelter (but I'm not a vet or a registered vet tech! So take this with a grain of salt, this is purely from my experience), and we use metacam for post-operative pain relief (ie, the thousands of spay/neuters each year, amputations, etc.). It's a one time dose, and the vets are always very careful about the amount for a cat (actually males don't get any at all, since their neuters are so simple). I've been working there for over a year now, and as far as I know, we've never had a complication from Metacam.

I think Metacam is more of a concern if it's used as a longer term drug, or if the kitty already has kidney issues. Regardless, definitely discuss your concerns with your vet, and maybe ask about alternate treatments.
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Thank you for chiming in. I am hopeful that we will luck out and this one shot of Metacam (or the one of Convenia) will not hurt Big Kitty. I just need to find a way to diplomatically ask my new vet not to repeat these shots.
 
Oh, noooo.... He just threw-up whatever little he ate 30 minutes ago...I hope it's not the shots he was given causing this...PLEASE BE OK.

He seems alert though- is walking around, his eyes look bright. Hope it's nothing serious, just a normal pukey...
 
fwiw, metacam has been given to several of my cats over the years after various surgeries and we've never had a problem. i don't discount that it can cause problems though that's for sure. from what i've learned about it over the years, complications often arise when dosed improperly, either in too large amounts or to a kitty that already has compromised kidneys. so i wouldn't be too worried about the metacam at this point (any way you could find out how much was given?).

what you could do is say something to the vet along the lines of you know that metacam is rather controversial so could they use something else or possibly go light on the metacam and remember to make sure kitty's kidneys are ok prior to administering it?

as far as convenia goes, that's the one that scares me for sure. just having dr. lisa say what she's said about it is enough for me. if i remember correctly my vet isn't a fan of it either and now that i think about it, i know my vet thinks highly of dr. lisa too so i think i'll ask her when i'm in next time just to be sure she's on the same page too :-)
 
evakot said:
Oh, noooo.... He just threw-up whatever little he ate 30 minutes ago...I hope it's not the shots he was given causing this...PLEASE BE OK.

He seems alert though- is walking around, his eyes look bright. Hope it's nothing serious, just a normal pukey...
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I'll keep fingers crossed that it's not a reaction to the drugs. Is BK licking lips? Acting interested in food but not eating it? He might be nauseous.

You can get fortiflora on amazon. I got a couple of boxes and sprinkle whenever we have loose stools or a lower than normal appetite. If you want some right away, you can ask your vet for a couple packets.
I'ts like yogurt for humans- there's not an exact dose, but regular ingestion is a good thing.

When talking to new vet about metacam and covenia, I'd just mention that you are a very involved cat parent and that you like to know what's going into your cat. That you do a lot of research online, not as a way of questioning her judgment, but as a way of feeling like you have some control and knowledge of what's going on for BK. Then I'd mention that you had run across a few very alarming articles about the use of metacam and covenia on cats. (AFAIK, covenia is for skin infections). And that BK has not been difficult to pill or administer oral meds to in the past, so you don't mind doing that in the future.

Maybe butter her up by saying how glad you are to find a vet who's willing to educate the pet parent while providing terrific treatment to your babies. Say something about really valuing a collaborative relationship.

just my thoughts. hope BK is feeling better now.
 
I suppose I have sort of a radical view of vets in that I feel they are working for me, I am my cat's advocate, and if I know something could endanger my kitty, I have the right to tell them, in a nice and polite way, what my cat can and cannot have. Too many vets are used to people who just bring their companions in, do what the vet says, and never think about the consequences or that the vet could be wrong. Even the very best vets have bad days like we all do. I do think there is a polite and respectful way to approach the subject and that's how it should be done but why should you have to justify everything and take in loads of paperwork? All you have to do is say you do not want your cats to have convenia or metacam. Even in a big city, good vets can be hard to find and no one wants to alienate a good vet. But...a GOOD vet will listen to you and respect your wishes. The vet that gave Gracie the Convenia was not my regular vet (she was with her terminally ill mother) but was a well respected holistic vet. He, in fact, later suggested to me that Gracie get metacam for her bladder issues and I respectfully told him she could not have it and why. He got mad, made some statement about him being the vet, and walked out. Why would I want someone like that to take care of my kitty? I have since worked with my vet to find an excellent back up for her when she has to be gone and this person listens (like my regular vet) and respects our views and preferences. He's your cat and you are all he has.
 
Fortiflora is great... I use it when Ollie or Shadoe are a little on the loose side, but more for Shadoe's appetite. I open a pack, and just pass it under her nose... she follows me quickly to her food.
Some people mix it into the food; Shadoe tries to lick it off the food, so I flatten the food and hope that the larger surface will get some food in her.
It's great stuff.
 
As far as the dental on Friday....what instructions did she give you?

Vets have various things they ask...some ask for the kitty to fast from midnight, some ask for 8 hours as in the following post.
Usually, there is no insulin shot in the morning. (I gave Shadow a reduced dose the night before since he would not be eating anything during the night. I didn't want his BGs to go too low for the next morning and all during the procedure. They will be monitoring his BGs during the dental...but sometimes, if the BGs are too low in the morning, they will cancel the dental.)

What time is the dental?
Did they do blood work today?

The anesthesia can have a blood glucose lowering effect after the dental for some cats. you may opt for a reduced PM dose after the dental just in case Big Kitty is one of these kitties. Be sure to monitor him when you get home and decided later about the PMPS dose.

Sometimes they are a little unsteady when you bring them home. If he is groggy, try to keep him quiet in a darkened room. When giving food, only give a small amount at a time after when the vet advises you to feed him. Small meals at first should be given over a few hours so that will prevent any vomiting....

You are dosing at 4.50u now. Does he eat during the night usually?
My two are used to a snack during the night, so the night before dentals are tough. And so is the morning when no breffis is being served. Sometimes I think it is harder on ME when they have dentals! :lol:
I usually get the carriers out a couple of days earlier so we are ready to go and there is no running away when they hear the carriers that morning.

He will be so much better after that tooth is taken care of...this is really a good thing! The inflammation or infection can raise the BGs a lot and they improve afterward.
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Pat+Raja+Shadow said:
As far as the dental on Friday....what instructions did she give you?

Vets have various things they ask...some ask for the kitty to fast from midnight, some ask for 8 hours as in the following post.
Usually, there is no insulin shot in the morning. (I gave Shadow a reduced dose the night before since he would not be eating anything during the night. I didn't want his BGs to go too low for the next morning and all during the procedure. They will be monitoring his BGs during the dental...but sometimes, if the BGs are too low in the morning, they will cancel the dental.)

What time is the dental?
Did they do blood work today?.
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Thank you for lots of useful info! This is our first dental so the more I know what to expect, the better.

The instructions were:
No food or water after midnight on Thursday
No insulin shot in the morning, but bring it with me, in case the vet decides that BK needs a dose
Drop him off before 9am
Expected pick-up at 2pm

I am nervous about it...Especially about the vet giving some more bad drugs to him after the procedure. Other than the ABs and pain meds, do they typically give something else after a dental? Like a steroid, or anything else that could be dangerous with FD?
 
Marjorie and Gracie said:
I suppose I have sort of a radical view of vets in that I feel they are working for me, I am my cat's advocate, and if I know something could endanger my kitty, I have the right to tell them, in a nice and polite way, what my cat can and cannot have. Too many vets are used to people who just bring their companions in, do what the vet says, and never think about the consequences or that the vet could be wrong. Even the very best vets have bad days like we all do. I do think there is a polite and respectful way to approach the subject and that's how it should be done but why should you have to justify everything and take in loads of paperwork? All you have to do is say you do not want your cats to have convenia or metacam. Even in a big city, good vets can be hard to find and no one wants to alienate a good vet. But...a GOOD vet will listen to you and respect your wishes.
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I agree with you that the vet works for me, Big Kitty is my cat so I get to decide, etc. However, I think it is very fortunate to find a vet who thinks along the same lines. The ones that I had a "pleasure" dealing with had more of a "I'm a vet so do as I say" attitude. The previous one had no problem at all with wanting to drop me as a patient after she found out I wasn't dosing like she told me to. I can't afford to go through many more vets because there aren't many in this area. So, for the sake of my cat, I would rather suck it up, butter her up, show her articles, and do whatever is necessary to 1) keep my cat safe, 2) maintain a working relationship with my vet... That is just the sad reality...
 
Understood and I know your number one priority is BK so you gotta do what you gotta do. :-D I really hope you can develop a great relationship with this vet since you like her and that BKs dental goes super well!!!
 
In quasi-defense of your vet, the black box warning on Metacam is a fairly recent development -- I think within 2 months. When Gabby had a dental scheduled, my vet sends me an estimate with everything broken out. They listed Metacam for pain management and I called and made very sure that it would not be administered. (This was before the black box warning.) They were very agreeable and were aware of the kidney issues.

As Cyn mentioned, Convenia was developed for skin infections. It's been used a lot off label because it's a long acting AB and owners don't have to pill their cat. I'd rather give a pill that is short acting in case there are complications.

This is a flyer that my vet provides about dental procedures and what questions to ask.
 
Eva at this point the shots are given and BK has not had a serious reaction. She gave him Metacam for the abcess never had one but heard they are horribly painful :sad: I think another reason vets give Convenia so much now is not all of us have easy cats to pill. While I will avoid it in the future my cat has had it twice and at 14 had no problems. I won't use again because he takes clavamox as Pat suggested to me too in pill pockets now and goes yumm, yummm yumm. :lol: Powder had Metacam two years ago 6 doses and did fine. From what I read our dose here is to strong for cats. Its the same concentration dogs use I think. in Canada its not the same strength. I won't use it again but I don't know what anti inflammatory would be recommended 'cause I'm no vet ;-)
He is probably a little nauseus and could be from the shots or could be because he's in pain. Like me you can't go back just go forward. Sienne sent me a link when Powder was having a dental which was very helpful. While my vet didn't have everything he had enough that I felt ok with Powder going there. At 14 and not in the best condition, newly diagnosed diabetic and very underweight it was very risky any way but had to be done. Here's the link http://www.cathospitalofchicago.com/lib ... vices.html Sienne will probably be along and she is very knowledgeable. Good Luck
 
My cat, Jill (non-diabetic) has had the Convenia shot more than once. They occurred before I had read anything on this site about them and she had no bad reaction. It was for a UTI (definite one...cultured) and the vet gave a follow-up one two weeks after the first. She is very easy to pill, so even though I know that she has had no adverse reactions, allergic or otherwise, I'll ask in the future about not using it.

My dog, on the other hand, who IS diabetic, gets very nauseous from oral antibiotics and using Convenia supposedly was a way to "bypass" the stomach. Because I was so worried about him throwing up his food when I wasn't home from the nausea of the antibiotics I did opt for the Convenia shot. He had no adverse reactions either.
 
A steroid is not usually given. Most vets will be careful about diabetic kitties and not give steroid shots...but...it is good if you have a talk with her. And it is fine if you request that those other 2 drugs NOT be given and ask that it be put in your file too. My vet was pretty surprised as I said, but they honor my requests.
Incidentally, the Clavamox does come in liquid form too. If you don't mind giving the liquid, it is available. There are Greenies allergy pill pickets that are quite successful if you can find them...not the regular ones...if you should get any pills. But, I am wondering if the vet will just leave it at the Convenia which will last for the 2 weeks. That is a question to ask.

As I said...the dental is harder on ME I think. I really hate the fasting and the trip to the vet office...I feel so bad for them. But then, I put on my adult brain and realize that it IS so good for them. The pain of a bad tooth is not so nice and the infection can be so bad for them. Ask for Bupe for pain....and if he is having that tooth out, you do need to have something like that to give to him.

When you pick him up, ask when he can eat. They will explain everything to you after it is over. Be sure to get his BG when you get home and monitor him during the afternoon until preshot time. Post in case his numbers are low and people will discuss a reduced dose possibly, okay? We will all be sending good dental vines to Big Kitty! His first dental! He is going to have such pretty pearly whites when he comes home!! I won't say don't worry cause that would be a waste of breath, right? :lol: You will be fine...and so will he.... :YMHUG:

Does he usually have a snack at night?
 
Pat+Raja+Shadow said:
Does he usually have a snack at night?
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Yes, he usually does. But since Monday he has not eaten his night snacks, so I think no snack won't be a huge problem. As for no breffis- I'm expecting a serenade and a lot of pouting, that is if his appetite improves by Friday AM. So far he has eaten once and threw up and then ate some cooked chicken and is holding it down...for now...fingers crossed...

Thank you for your helpful and supportive words.
 
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