11/16 Chewie AMPS 387/ +4 246/ PMPS 284/ +2.5 169+193/ +4 159/ +5 206

Howiesmom said:
The best part about Weruva is that they post all their nutritional info on their website for all their different products. Here is the link to the pates he eats for his main meals (I use the BFF Play pates for his snacks throughout the day). https://weruva.com/nutrition-landing/pates-ni/I was taught to look at the phosphorus info on the mineral/100 kcal (the bottom table). I only use foods that are 250 mg Phos or under. For the protein/carb/fat content, I use their Calories and Metabolizeable Energy (ME) profile instead of As-Fed and Dry Matter. I find that to be accurate (got caught up previously in another food brand who wasn’t giving out accurate %s as they thought they were basically the same). I hope this gives you more to study/look at. I only feed him the Weruva food as he has no teeth (so needs a pate) and can’t have carageenan or a lot of the other gums used as preservatives. Weruva checks all the boxes despite the expense. His “grocery bill” per month is more than mine sometimes!
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It's so great that they do that, I wish all brands were that transparent. The two foods Chewie likes are way under the 250 mg phosphorus bar, yay!
She ate raw food most of her life, and she is not sold on the idea of canned food. When her numbers are super high like they are right now, she is a lot more ravenous and will pretty much eat anything, but when she is back in lower numbers it's really hard to find a canned food she will eat more than twice in a row. I will go through the Weruva list and try a few new flavors based on the phosphorus levels. Thank you so much for this!!
The cats' grocery bill is definitely higher than mine most of the time, I know that pain...
 
@Howiesmom - this table for the Wellness Turkey and Salmon pate Chewie likes show the values as mineral/1000 kcal. I am an absolute disaster at math, but am I right that this puts the turkey and salmon food at 450 mg phos and therefore should be avoided?
 
I’ve been following along with your journey … not much to add other than welcome to the Acro club. :(

The good news is that you now have a firm diagnosis, and as hard as it is to hear the word “acro,” just finally knowing what’s going on is in itself empowering. Sad, yes, sucky, totally. But now you can make decisions accordingly.

A small positive is that acro knowledge has come a looooong way since I joined here 17 years ago. And remember, you will never, ever be alone in your journey. We’ll be here to help. :bighug:
 
Thank you :bighug::bighug::bighug: I told my vet about this forum and the wealth of first hand knowledge of acrocats it contains, and she was very curious about it all. I will give her the link when I go to Chewie’s next appointment, she was so earnest about learning more so she could treat future patients better.

I honestly shudder to think what would have happened to poor Chew without this forum… she would have been at 2, maybe 3 units max under the Portland vet, still suffering so much damage from high BG and undiagnosed acro… I plan on emailing that vet with a detailed account of our journey after a month or two on cabergoline, and hopefully I will have some great results to rub her rude nose in :smuggrin:

And you are so right @JL and Chip (and @Wendy&Neko and everyone else who cheered us on) now that I know what’s going on and have a treatment to try, I feel a bit less powerless. Paws crossed that Chewie responds well, but even if she doesn’t, at least we can say we gave it our all.
 
I was glad I could tell myself that I had done all I could to help Neko. The rest was up to her. The acro tumour action can be random and different for each cat. You are like the coach, doing what you can for the cat and this will help her QOL.

You will have to monitor her closely on cabergoline. With every day dosing, I have seen things start to happen as soon as 7-10 days, longer with EOD.

I'm so glad cabergoline is available now. In Neko's time, it was SRT or nothing. That requires travel and money that not all have. With cabergoline, more cats can be treated now.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
I was glad I could tell myself that I had done all I could to help Neko. The rest was up to her. The acro tumour action can be random and different for each cat. You are like the coach, doing what you can for the cat and this will help her QOL.

You will have to monitor her closely on cabergoline. With every day dosing, I have seen things start to happen as soon as 7-10 days, longer with EOD.

I'm so glad cabergoline is available now. In Neko's time, it was SRT or nothing. That requires travel and money that not all have. With cabergoline, more cats can be treated now.
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It must have been so hard, especially since back I am sure you had to battle with the “just a cat”mentality even more. So scary to have to travel and try a pretty drastic treatment for the time, with so little data to inform decisions. I am so glad SRT worked for Neko, you definitely gave her the best shot she could possibly have. That’s all we can hope to do, in the end.
 
So I just tested Chewie’s +2.5, which came to 193. It seemed odd, and since the drop of blood was small, I repoked and used a bigger one: got 169 :eek: She would NOT let me test her a third time - so which one of these two do I trust? Do I average the two?
 
Regardless of number, it looks like a more active cycle.

At the time I was thinking about SRT, two kitties from FDMB were on their way to CSU. So I followed their story closely. My mentor Julie had also gone to CSU the previous year with punkin. It felt comforting to know others had been there first.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Regardless of number, it looks like a more active cycle.
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Just retested and she is at 159 at +4. She had her second dinner right after the +2.5 measure, so should be fine for the night?

At the time I was thinking about SRT, two kitties from FDMB were on their way to CSU. So I followed their story closely. My mentor Julie had also gone to CSU the previous year with punkin. It felt comforting to know others had been there first.
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I can only imagine! It’s so much more helpful, getting information from people who live with and manage the condition every day, as opposed to a vet who is usually very little informed at best and completely dismissive and contrary at worst. Thank goodness for the Internet, and medical progress!
 
Actually, reading a study report about cabergoline featuring a freak dive in BG and clinical hypoglycemia really early in treatment made me nervous… I will stay up another 30 min to test her at +5 just to be safe.
 
Virginie said:
@Howiesmom - this table for the Wellness Turkey and Salmon pate Chewie likes show the values as mineral/1000 kcal. I am an absolute disaster at math, but am I right that this puts the turkey and salmon food at 450 mg phos and therefore should be avoided?
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Sorry I’m late in replying as I was travelling for work and just got back. I don’t want to give wrong advice so will try to draw a parallel. In looking at the chart of some of Howie’s food options (https://weruva.com/nutrition-landing/bff-play-ni/), the TA DA! food is listed as 406 mg/100 kcal which they calculate as 1.70% dry matter basis and .35% as Fed basis. So if you would even compare the dry matter basis and as Fed basis %s to your food, your Wellness food appears to be high phosphorous (about double of what you want). The phosphorous in Howie’s food that he eats is .7-1.10% dry matter basis. I hope this helps!
 
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