11/13 TIFIL PMPS 360, +2.25 365 cosequin raise BG?

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ISIL&TIFIL

ISIL&TIFIL

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Hello,

Yesterday's condo was

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I was giviing cranberry 250 mg for one day mixed in food divided during the day.
That looks like alot carbs.going in her :shock:

Checked fot ketons last week, I will check again today.
I didn't give her R today as you said, but I am really afraid that she will go so high :(
I must say that her bg levels were high for a long time before I started cranberry. By the way Hande and I ordered l-lysine, I started to give it for tıfıl's gingivitis. I hope that won't effect her bg levels aswell.
What about cosequin, should I stop it?
 
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Morning to you and Tifil. I'll give you a bump up for some help with your questions. How is Tifil feeling today? Have a nice Sunday.
 
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Hello Ann,
Thank you very much, she is feeling great with those high numbers, strange :)
 
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Thank you Angela, I really hate to see the numbers so high :(
Kisses and a big hug...
 
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Isil,

It's true that her numbers were up before you started the cranberry powder, but it's hard to say if the cranberry powder is keeping them up, and you also have a bounce going on. If it was elevating her BG, the combination of no cranberry powder and the bounce clearing could produce a big drop. It makes sense to me to wait and see without the R.

I'm glad you're getting the ketone test.

L-lysine should not elevate her BG, but it depends on the other ingredients. Is it pure L-lysine?

I don't have experience with cosequin, I'm not sure how much of an effect it has on BG.
 
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Laurie and Mr Tinkles said:
Isil,

It's true that her numbers were up before you started the cranberry powder, but it's hard to say if the cranberry powder is keeping them up, and you also have a bounce going on. If it was elevating her BG, the combination of no cranberry powder and the bounce clearing could produce a big drop. It makes sense to me to wait and see without the R.

I'm glad you're getting the ketone test.

L-lysine should not elevate her BG, but it depends on the other ingredients. Is it pure L-lysine?

I don't have experience with cosequin, I'm not sure how much of an effect it has on BG.
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Hello,
Yes, the brand is NOW FOODS pure l-lysine powder.
By the way, it is +7 and the bg is 448
:(
 
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Merhaba Isil ~O)

I too give all my kitties L-Lysine. It helps moth problems and upper respiratory problems. As Laurie mentioned, make sure it is pure and has no added sugars.
L-Lysine is a good supplement, however if Tifill has gingivitis it must be taken care of with a proper dental cleaning by veterinary dental specialist, or a vet that knows how to do dental cleaning.

Take a look at Black Kittys ss starting from 04/06/2009 - 05/23/2009. You can see all the pink and red coming back into the picture, in spite of steadily increasing insulin.(Please keep in mind BK had a High Dose condition and was insulin resistant) Although he had a full dental on 12/08/2008, with 8 extractions, he developed some gingivitiis again. So on 05/28/2009 he had another cleaning , by the dental specialist. You can see that after that, down the dosing ladder he went, all the way to remission :mrgreen: Although he only has 4 teeth left, we still get them cleaned once a year, by his regular vet.

I'm glad you stopped the cranberry powder. As far as the cosequin, I also have no knowledge or experience.

I see that Tifil had a big bounce, which is no surprise given the fast drop yesterday from that .5u of R.
Let's see how the rest of this cycle goes and then think about if the Lantus dose needs to be adjusted.

Make sure to mix some water into her food and please test regularly for ketones.

Hang in there Isil! It will get better.
 
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Hi Isil,
I'm glad you stopped the cranberry powder and I'm also glad that you only gave it for one day. Therefore it shouldn't have a lasting effect on Tifil's bgs. Rusty gets L-lysine for a chronic upper-respiratory condition, and as far as I can see, it has no effect on his bg. I buy the 500mg capsules of L-lysine, open one and pour out the powder into a little dish. The dose is 1/2 capsule twice a day, mixed into wet food (1/2 of a 500mg capsule is equal to 1/4 measuring teaspoonfull). It is tasteless. You can also buy it in tablet form, but then you have to grind it up so you can mix it into wet food. It also comes in powder form. Jill has a link to a supplier in Alex's Spreadsheet:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...hanggledHA0XzAwUEJKaUdUXzNyUDBkVE1KM2c&gid=34.
Click on her "meds" tab at the top of Alex's spreadsheet to see a list of meds she has used for Alex, what the dose is etc. Here is the link for L-lysine powder (for your future reference):
http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-L-Lysine-Powder-1-lb-454-g/653?at=0

I'm going to PM Ann (Tess) to ask her to look at your quesrtion about Cosequin. I know that she uses it for Tess.

Hope you are having a good day,

Ella & Rusty
 
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hi isil!

this must be so hard for you to watch tifil be high. hopefully we can unravel what's going on and figure out the underlying issue. i'm going to restate what we (collectively) think is going on.

the 250g dose of cranberry powder would be 160grams of carbs. so that tells us he's getting a major dose of carbs with each dose of the cranberry powder. you're correct, the cranberry powder didn't start the high numbers. but the powder must be affecting his numbers now. with the powder out of the picture his numbers should drop.

i think everyone is agreed that there is some bouncing going on. by eliminating the R we're hoping to eliminate the fast drops with the subsequent bouncing. we don't want him high, but we also don't want him dropping hard and fast and bouncing from it. sandy/dyana think that's what causing him to be high - that he's moving too fast and then zooming up.

the next thing we need to figure out is whether or not there is something else going on - if the UTI is cleared up then there might be something else - his teeth or ? has he had recent lab work done? if he has some kind of infection, then his white blood cell count might be higher.

i use cosequin on punkin and i can't see any difference in his numbers at all. i know i've gone back and forth on "give it-don't give it." sorry to make you crazy about it. i doubt it would affect his numbers. it might help his bladder. i hate having multiple variables changing at once so that we don't know what change is doing what, but i also doubt it's a problem for his BG. would you edit your first post of today and write "cosequin raise BG?" and see if anyone has experience with it raising BG. If not, let's keep him on it. How does that sound?

hang in there! keep adding water and testing for ketones.

eta - ella, she's been giving it for several days. don't have the ss open right now, but it's been a couple of weeks, i think.
 
Re: 11/13 TIFIL AMPS 470, +4.25 373, +7 448

10 days on the cranberry powder.

which fancy feasts are you giving him? is he eating anything else besides the canned food and the l-lysine right now?
 
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Sandy and Black Kitty said:
Merhaba Isil ~O)

I too give all my kitties L-Lysine. It helps moth problems and upper respiratory problems. As Laurie mentioned, make sure it is pure and has no added sugars.
L-Lysine is a good supplement, however if Tifill has gingivitis it must be taken care of with a proper dental cleaning by veterinary dental specialist, or a vet that knows how to do dental cleaning.

Take a look at Black Kittys ss starting from 04/06/2009 - 05/23/2009. You can see all the pink and red coming back into the picture, in spite of steadily increasing insulin.(Please keep in mind BK had a High Dose condition and was insulin resistant) Although he had a full dental on 12/08/2008, with 8 extractions, he developed some gingivitiis again. So on 05/28/2009 he had another cleaning , by the dental specialist. You can see that after that, down the dosing ladder he went, all the way to remission :mrgreen: Although he only has 4 teeth left, we still get them cleaned once a year, by his regular vet.

I'm glad you stopped the cranberry powder. As far as the cosequin, I also have no knowledge or experience.

I see that Tifil had a big bounce, which is no surprise given the fast drop yesterday from that .5u of R.
Let's see how the rest of this cycle goes and then think about if the Lantus dose needs to be adjusted.

Make sure to mix some water into her food and please test regularly for ketones.

Hang in there Isil! It will get better.
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Merhaba Sandy :)
It was a wonderfull greatings to me :)
Tıfıl has red gum on one of her back right teeth. I showed it to 6 different vets and they said they can not clear the teeth because of her high bg levels (the same story with shanga). It is not in a bad condition but I don't know if she needs a dental film taken to see what's going on inside. I will take her to the vet faculty on thursday.

By the way I am adding too much water in her food. It becomes more like a soup, but she loves it :)
 
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julie & punkin said:
hi isil!



the next thing we need to figure out is whether or not there is something else going on - if the UTI is cleared up then there might be something else - his teeth or ? has he had recent lab work done? if he has some kind of infection, then his white blood cell count might be higher.

Yes she had about 2 mounths ago, everything was normal

i use cosequin on punkin and i can't see any difference in his numbers at all. i know i've gone back and forth on "give it-don't give it." sorry to make you crazy about it. i doubt it would affect his numbers. it might help his bladder. i hate having multiple variables changing at once so that we don't know what change is doing what, but i also doubt it's a problem for his BG. would you edit your first post of today and write "cosequin raise BG?" and see if anyone has experience with it raising BG. If not, let's keep him on it. How does that sound?
Ok I will write it :)

hang in there! keep adding water and testing for ketones.

eta - ella, she's been giving it for several days. don't have the ss open right now, but it's been a couple of weeks, i think.
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julie & punkin said:
10 days on the cranberry powder.

which fancy feasts are you giving him? is he eating anything else besides the canned food and the l-lysine right now?
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I am giving her classic fancy feast. (no gravy).

No she is eating nothing besides the canned food and the l-lysine these days...
 
Re: 11/13 TIFIL PMPS 360 cosequin raise BG?

let's see if anyone has any input on the cosequin.

it could very well be the teeth problems that are causing these higher numbers.
 
Re: 11/13 TIFIL PMPS 360 cosequin raise BG?

Hi, Ella asked me to comment on the Cosequin. Tess has been getting it for nearly a year and I see no effect on her BG levels. And I see nothing in the ingredients that should raise BG.

If you can't have the dental because the BGs are too high, and the bad teeth are causing the high BGs, it is a viscous cycle! Tess always had awful teeth, several were missing when we got her at age 4. Dentals every year! Since DX she has been on caned food and I also learned the importance of keeping her mouth healthy. For over a year we have been brushing her teeth and it has made a world of difference. No dental needed in 2 years! :-D That is something you can start right away. I know it sounds impossible, but even my DH can do it now! :lol: I like the smallest tooth brush available, it's a little round one, much easier to use than the flat ones. This is the one I use and the toothpaste sample too. Get the enzymatic toothpaste. Here is a great video on starting to brush a cats teeth. It is a slow process to get them used to it and not fight you about it. Good luck! :YMHUG:
 
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ISIL&TIFIL said:
Tıfıl has red gum on one of her back right teeth. I showed it to 6 different vets and they said they can not clear the teeth because of her high bg levels (the same story with shanga). It is not in a bad condition but I don't know if she needs a dental film taken to see what's going on inside. I will take her to the vet faculty on thursday.
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Well, it sounds like you have to do all possible to get the BG levels down, since that's what it is going to take to get Tifil a dental.

Did any of these vets say what BG numbers they would like Tifil to have?
 
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Ann & Tess said:
Hi, Ella asked me to comment on the Cosequin. Tess has been getting it for nearly a year and I see no effect on her BG levels. And I see nothing in the ingredients that should raise BG.

If you can't have the dental because the BGs are too high, and the bad teeth are causing the high BGs, it is a viscous cycle! Tess always had awful teeth, several were missing when we got her at age 4. Dentals every year! Since DX she has been on caned food and I also learned the importance of keeping her mouth healthy. For over a year we have been brushing her teeth and it has made a world of difference. No dental needed in 2 years! :-D That is something you can start right away. I know it sounds impossible, but even my DH can do it now! :lol: I like the smallest tooth brush available, it's a little round one, much easier to use than the flat ones. This is the one I use and the toothpaste sample too. Get the enzymatic toothpaste. Here is a great video on starting to brush a cats teeth. It is a slow process to get them used to it and not fight you about it. Good luck! :YMHUG:
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Hello Ann,
I watched the video, it doesn't seem so hard. But I guess first off all I must find someone who can clean her teeth. It is so so hard to open Tıfıl^s mouth, she really hates it but we don^t have another chance. I will do the step by step procedure on the video. If she got used to insulin injection she can get used to brushing as well. At least "I hope"
 
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Sandy and Black Kitty said:
ISIL&TIFIL said:
Tıfıl has red gum on one of her back right teeth. I showed it to 6 different vets and they said they can not clear the teeth because of her high bg levels (the same story with shanga). It is not in a bad condition but I don't know if she needs a dental film taken to see what's going on inside. I will take her to the vet faculty on thursday.
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Well, it sounds like you have to do all possible to get the BG levels down, since that's what it is going to take to get Tifil a dental.

Did any of these vets say what BG numbers they would like Tifil to have?
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No, I didn't ask actually...
I will ask this time.
By the way, what do you think about the PMPS number?
 
Re: 11/13 TIFIL PMPS 360 cosequin raise BG?

360 is much better than 470. ;-)

see how the next cycle goes. It may take a few cycles to clear the bounce.
 
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Sandy and Black Kitty said:
360 is much better than 470. ;-)

see how the next cycle goes. It may take a few cycles to clear the bounce.
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:) CERTAİNLY MUCCCCHHH BETTER. For Tıfıl annnnddddd for me :)
 
so much better preshot than the past several days! who ever thought we'd be glad to see tifil hit 360!!!!

no one has said that they've had cosequin increase BG and I think people would've chimed in if they'd had that happen. So probably you're ok on the cosequin - it doesn't have any other ingredients in it, does it? maybe you should list the ingredients so we can look at them.

isil, i open tifil's spreadsheet and i see so many tests and notes. you have done a SUPER job taking care of tifil. she's lucky to have you!!!
 
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