11/06 Texas Gizmo PMPS=166, +2=135, +3.5=95, +4.5=91, +11=147

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LizzieInTexas

LizzieInTexas

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11/05 +11=221

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I discontinued the AVJ this morning as a test. It seems that this wonky pattern he has gotten into started after I started the AVJ (could just be a coincidence but I want to test the theory).

I need some suggestions for arthritis. I have tried some fish oil (pet product) but he will no longer eat the food with it in it. Any other suggestions? I also tried Adequan but he gets nauseated on it and quits eating.

These are the two that I have tried:
Joint Purr-Fection Liquid Health 2.3 oz Liquid
Wild Caught Omega 3 Fish Oil for Dogs, 100% Natural, Wild Caught, Premium Pet Fish Oil

My vet recommended Omega 3 oil - she said to just get human grade and squeeze the oil from the cap into the food. I looked at one point but there are so many and so many options I don't know what to get. And then is krill oil a good one? IDK. But since I quit Adequan I need to get him on something. @Bobbie And Bubba I think you give something?

Uuggghh, I have internal training today. YUK. Hubby will be home in time to TFS and I should be home shortly there after.
 
carfurby said:
I hope Gizmo slides down and surfs safely today. Furball has not been diagnosed with arthritis, but she was starting to limp after she would stand up, so I bought this:

https://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Newton-Homeopathics-Rheumatic-~-Joint-Care/161006.aspx

I've been giving it to her for a couple of months and she is not limping any more. I know it has some alcohol in it, but I think it is diluted enough to be okay.
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Thanks Carla. :bighug: Does it have a smell to it?
 
I've had a lot of success with Asia's arthritis using acupuncture. Definitely not the easiest or cheapest option, but it is working. I've also been told green lipped muscle powder works but have yet to try it, I think it's pretty stinky though. Let me know if you find something, I'm always looking for help with arthritis as well.
 
Toebeans said:
using acupuncture
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My vet is certified and does it but Gizmo gets so stressed at the vet I am afraid it will be more detrimental than beneficial but it is on my list to discuss with her. I googled yesterday and found a certified vet that does house visits but they are not accepting any new patients until 2018 (and questionable then).
 
LizzieInTexas said:
My vet is certified and does it but Gizmo gets so stressed at the vet I am afraid it will be more detrimental than beneficial but it is on my list to discuss with her. I googled yesterday and found a certified vet that does house visits but they are not accepting any new patients until 2018 (and questionable then).
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I agree, if I had to take Asia somewhere, the stress would undue any benefit. We have someone that comes to our home. They must be doing really well if they can't take new patients until 2018. Looks like there is a business opportunity there, hope someone fills it. Can you ask your vet if they know any other ones that come to the house? Or the place that is booked up if they know of anybody else?
 
Hi Lizzie, I don't give omega 3 to Bubba. What you are probably thinking is that he jumped up on the counter and ate an omega 3 capsule of my mom's two different occasions. He loves to bite into the capsule and get the fish oil. A few times I did prick the capsule and squirt into his food when he was constipated and he ate the food just fine. Mom 's on Lovaza which is a very expensive pharmaceutical grade omega 3 but, lucky her medicare and Tricare for life pay for it all but 20 bucks for a 3 month supply.

There are peeps here that give the Krill oil with good success. I hope you figure out the AVJ thing soon. Wonder if the higher wonky numbers are just because he's in pain with the arthritis? Your discontinuing the AVJ will be a good test.
 
Usually people start with something like cosequin, then graduate to adequan. If he isn't tolerating the adequan, have you tried cosequin? It comes in sprinkle caps and seems to have helped ol' Jack.
 
I buy online the Captains Krill oil straight from the boat. Fritz loves it I just poke the capsule and drizzle on his food.
 
Unfortunately, lots of experience with arthritis with Neko. I started with fish oil and Cosequin (or similar product in Canada that also has MSM). That wasn't enough. Side note - Neko used to occasionally get Omega-3 from my capsules when we were travelling and it was too much fuss to carry both. She was fine with it. I also tried Cartrophen, which is what we can get in Canada and similar to Adequan. It worked for a couple cats, some minor improvement with Neko.

Then I went to the alternatives. With arthritis, there is a three sided approach. You want to tackle inflammation, help the joints, and ease the pain. Inflammation can be fish oil, but I eventually went to Duralactin and saw better success there. Ask your vet about that one. It's OTC (buy on line) but not good for cats with higher calcium counts. For helping joints, that was Cosequin/Adequan, but I also had some success with hyaluronic acid. Hyaflex is one such brand. After those weren't quite enough - I moved onto pain relief. Neko had really bad arthritis due to her acromegaly. Accupuncture really helped, and the vetty also showed me how to do acupressure, which I did daily. Neko loved her little massage. It was our time. :) Eventually I had to go to buprenorphine for pain.

Paul @Bronx's dad has been experimenting with other pain relief products.
 
Gizmo gets nauseated from adequan injections? Argh. I didn't know that could happen.
 
I am currently using the following for the joint pain:

Fish oil (same one as you were using) 1 squirt 2x/day
Turmeric "golden paste" with the fish oil 2x/day (absorbs better with fat from the oil), make it myself
CBD oil, current brand Innovet 9-10 drops 2x/day
Cosequin 2 capsules 1x/day

I tried Bupe but he fights me tooth and nail to shoot anything in his mouth (has to be in the cheek pocket since won't be as effective if swallowed)

I may try Gaba again, since that pill can be crushed and put in his food
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
What you are probably thinking is that he jumped up on the counter and ate an omega 3 capsule of my mom's two different occasions.
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Yep, that is right. I remember now.
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Wonder if the higher wonky numbers are just because he's in pain with the arthritis?
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IDK - I am wondering that too. I have noticed he is being a bit more wobbly and off balance. I am glad that we have a vetty visit on Wednesday because I have gone to completely confused on what he is doing with this numbers to a little more than worried.

saltycat said:
have you tried cosequin?
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The Joint-purrfection has cosequin but he wont eat food with it in it now - he used to have no issues but I think the Adequan turned him off to anything added to his food (thank God it was NOT the actual food). What do cosequin do you use?

DebG said:
I buy online the Captains Krill oil straight from the boat. Fritz loves it I just poke the capsule and drizzle on his food.
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I will order some. Thanks. Is dosing just one capsule per day? 2x/day? The last time I looked at fish oil/krill oil/omega 3 (etc) I stood in the vitamin isle reading labels and comparing for about 45 min and gave up.

Wendy&Neko said:
Unfortunately, lots of experience with arthritis with Neko
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Thank you Wendy. I am going to copy this out to a word doc and take with me to the vet. I wish I had never tried the Adequan. He seemed to be doing well on the fish oil and joint purr-fection.

We do have a little message routine that we go through most nights at bed time. He lays beside me in bed and I message his back, spine and back end and he does enjoy it. The vet showed me how to do that and said it can help with blood circulation and Gizmo does seem to really enjoy it, but is just doesn't seem to be helping him. Of course he is still jumping and up/down the stairs like nothing is wrong but then will almost fall over when he tries to scratch his ears/head or shakes his head - it is almost like his joints are loose (does that make sense)?

The other concern I have is the phosphorus level using the fish oil. Does anyone know if that is a concern? I know it is with food that has fish in it but what about the oils?
 
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MJW said:
Gizmo gets nauseated from adequan injections? Argh. I didn't know that could happen.
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Sorry, I replied to everyone before I refreshed the page. Well, Gizmo is a bit of a weird little guy. Shall we say "sensitive"? :po_O Like Slippery Elm Bark spikes his BG (smh) as do pill pockets when everyone else has no issues :banghead:

You can see it on my SS. I started the Adequan on 07/05 and you see the increase in nausea meds, appy enhancers and if you go through the condos where I was pulling my hair out trying to get him to eat (I also discontinued all supplements on 08/02 because I was just trying to get him to eat and was worried they were having an impact). Then look at the monthly maintenance (29th of the month) and it starts again and lasted about 2 weeks and then he was back to his normal appy and eating with enthusiasm. It took me a while to figure out that it was more than likely the Adequan. I had thought that we were dealing with a panc flare but the patterns evolved once I started the monthly maintenance Adequan dosing. I have not had any eating issues in over a month and Gizmo's appy is good and he is even gaining a bit of weight.

Everyone here and even my vet said that there shouldn't be any side affects - so I wouldn't let this deter you from trying it - but I would keep it in mind.
 
It's phosphorus in some fish laden fuds you worry about, not potassium. I never had that problem with the fish oil. Might be some of the fuds have ground bone in them.
 
Bronx's dad said:
CBD oil, current brand Innovet 9-10 drops 2x/day
Cosequin 2 capsules 1x/day
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Haha. Maybe it is the Canna that is making him wobbly, though I don't give it on a regular basis I will have to pay attention if the behavior is more predominant when I have. I didnt even think about that.

What is the cosequin you use?
 
Re: the wobbly: Girlie has that problem, too, but it's because of muscle deterioration with her, I think, from the arthritis. Vicious circle: hurts to move, so doesn't move, then muscles don't get the use and oxygen they need.

We rely on the acupuncture now; it has really, really helped, but she needs it at least every other week at this point. She's a very accommodating cat, but I thought she'd put her paws down on acupuncture and draw a line. From the moment we walk in she makes it clear with a low rumbling "growl" (if you could call it that: she's rather pathetic at being fierce, but acupuncture vet and I make sure we don't laugh; we show proper respect) - anyway, she gives Pam dirty looks and does her "growl." But then the needles are in, she lies down and pretty much zones out, even though she's at a vet practise where there are loud droolers just outside the door. Still, if you could get someone to come to the house, that would be ideal.

Most important is who you get: not everyone is equal. Can you ask around and get some recommendations in your area? Some people really do have healing hands, and if you can find someone who does, hold onto them.

Arthritis is awful: I can attest to that personally. And it's so tricky to figure out how much pain cats are in - they're so very good at hiding it. But it's good that Gizmo can still jump up and down stairs: that's very positive!

I wonder if the wobbly stuff could be something else. I'll be curious to see what more experienced people have to say.

Just fyi, here's a pic of Girlie at her first acupuncture visit: little pincushion, but not that many needles. If she's really sore, they can hurt a wee bit going in, but that passes quickly, and then the soporific effect kicks in and she usually lies down and zones out. I so hope you can find someone good to help Gizmo, or that Wendy's and the others' suggestions help. Arthritis is no fun.

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