11/01 Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153 +6 70 +6.5 90 +7.5 115

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Mowgli and Keri

Mowgli and Keri

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Hi there,
Attempting my first update before i drift off to bed and plan on waking again to check at midnite...
Let me know what i did right or wrong!
Will be posting in the morning too!
THANK YOU EVERYONE!!! :YMHUG:
 
Re: Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153

Please get a test SOON. That's a huge drop.

Do you have high carb food in the house (aka your "hypo" kit)? If not, do you have syrup (Karo, maple syrup, honey)? I'm not saying that you will need this but you have a 250 point drop in 3 hours and it's well before nadir. You may need to bring Mowgli's numbers up with food.

For future reference, when you have a big drop like this, you need to make sure the numbers have leveled off (i.e., 2 consecutive tests where the numbers are in a safe range) over the span of at least an hour or two, before you go to sleep.
 
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Hi there, Mowgli's bean! Wow...that's quite a drop! The east coasters will be heading to bed soon, but I'll be around to keep an eye on you. I'm in Cali, so you've got me for several more hours. Please get a +4...you've got several hours to nadir and are already seeing a significant drop. Give us an update as soon as you can.

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Re: Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153

Hi Keri-

Glad to see you back tonight! I'm all up to date on your posts today. What a fantastic advocate you are for Mowgli!! It's tough when you aren't feeling secure in what the professionals are telling you....we've all been there. You're in great hands on this board.

Is the 70 a +6? If so, you should be right around nadir, but since this is all new for you both, we don't really know what Mowgli's nadir is yet. If you can get a couple of tests in and the numbers seem to be on the rise, you might be able to call it a night. If we find that he's still dropping, you'll want to feed a little and test again. I'll wait for your update!

s
 
Re: Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153

thank you so much for staying up and supporting through this..this is his FIRST 1U, his FIRST lantus injection..
so...sigh..
stress....
oh and the 70 IS +6
 
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No worries! You're doing great. I'm a night owl, and it's only 11:30 in California, so you've got me for a while. Can you get a 6.5? If we get a couple of rising numbers in a row, you can feel good about putting out a snack and going to bed, but we want to make sure the numbers are on the way up. My girl was pretty consistent with nadir at the midpoint, but she occasionally threw me for a loop and peaked a bit later. When is the last time the Mowgli ate anything? Did he have some snacks between shot time and now? I think someone already mentioned this, but a few small meals at +1, 2 and/or 3 will help slow the drop. Talk soon!

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Re: Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153

so just took a reading and he is at 90, so i think i will stay up with him for a bit as well and do another....soooo will i one day be good enough that i don't bruise his ear??? he has white ears too, :? I am pretty good at getting it first poke though..he did eat something, just a little something before bed...
i don't have any fantastic snacks yet I will have to get some chicken or something...not to mention my other two cats..
so i am trying to figure out everything all at once here...
as i am sure we have all been thru
 
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also i accidentally started another "condo" i didn't know that with updates we just use the same one as originally started during the day, whoopsy :cry:
 
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That's great. He's on the way up. It does get easier. It's so much to take in when you're just starting out. Don't let it overwhelm you. You don't have to learn everything at once and you are not alone in this...you have an entire community to support you, and everyone here has been in your shoes. As you become more comfortable with testing, you'll learn just where and how to poke. My girl's ears were all bruised up when I started...it sometimes took me a dozen strips to hit the right spot for a good test...within a week or two, I sorted it out and testing was a breeze.

If I remember correctly, you're feeding Fancy Feast? Is Mowgli solely eating low carb, high protein wet food (i.e., only FF)? Was he always eating that, or did you make a change from dry?

Just wanted to give you a quick lesson in posting and updating as you go alone. As you continue to test, you'll want to add the new numbers to your subject line. Whenever you want to update the subject, you want to do it in the original post. In other words, you won't want to update the subject in a reply post...you'll always update the very first post so that everyone sees it right away (click on your original post and select 'edit'). So, for example, for today's post, you would update the subject to say "Mowgli PMPS 401, +3=153, +6=70, +6.5(?)=90."

You're doing a great job, Keri!

s
 
Re: Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153

Haha...that's funny. I didn't even know you did that...but figured you'd need the skinny on updating your condo! ;-)

s
 
Re: Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153

Thank you for ALL the support! it is very very much appreciated! You have no idea how appreciated!
No, mowgli was NOT always on this food...He used to be on Orijen Dry... and for a few weeks a bit of Medi Cal Gastro to try and get him to eat...
But through last week (without insulin) i was feeding him this to get him to start eatting again as his appetite totally was on the rocks...a couple kibble here, a couple kibble there....
So I came on here when he was originally thought to have diabetes, but had to wait for the testing..don't get me started on that! lol
So long story short...The only food i see him eat is the fancy feast which i feed to him, and don't leave out....the orijen dry is out for the day, for my other two cats..although the more I read the more i realize they shouldn't be eatting strictly that either...
I am guessing Mowgli should also have some carbs in his diet?
I imagine he picks at the orijen through the day, by picks i mean two or three kibbles here and there.....

The vet that i last saw and diagnosed him offically had wanted him on canninsulin and didn't even discuss diet with me yet... scary thing is he is the better of the vets i went to, and treats other diabetic cats...

also THANK YOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU for the tip on updating!!! lol I will try that now!
 
Re: Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153 +6 70 +6.5 90

Well...the dry will significantly affect his BGs...even if it is a little bit. Most dry foods are high carb and you can basically equate carbs with sugar...sugar is the enemy when it comes to diabetics. I'm not familiar with the food that you mentioned to be able to speak of the carb content. Any chance that Mowgli had some kibble earlier today? Just curious about the high preshot number. Has anyone talked to you about checking for ketones? I'd recommend you pick up some ketostix from the pharmacy (they're kept behind the counter....well, in the U.S. they are). When kitties have BGs that are too high, we worry about ketones, and when BGs are too low, we worry about hypoglycemia. Both dangerous in their own rights. You can test for ketones and you can manage hypo as long as you are testing. How is he taking to the wet food? How about your other kitties? If you can get rid of it altogether, that would be best. It's hard to prevent a kitty from sneaking a high carb snack if it's left out.

Nice job on updating your subject!! :-D

s
 
Re: 11/01 Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153 +6 70 +6.5 90 +7.5 11

My one other kitty loves the wet he thinks it is divine! lol he is 15, my other one is 12 and could care less about it..she is a snob but I am sure she would start to get the gist of it... i just worry bout how much to feed everyone...as it is, mowgli isn't even eatting the "required" amount...
Okay, so i should move the high carb food out of reach from him? (he doesn't jump on counters so i can put it up for the others for now) and try to leave what out as a snack for him during the day? As i really don't want him not eatting obviously..
last thing...
i am exhausted and have to get up soon, but i should be okay giving the same dose tomorrow? i will be gone all day pretty much...i will give him his 1u at 6 and leave the house at 7 and due to stupid construction and traffic i will be home around 6... no one has mentioned the ketones yet..i know the vet ran his urine and didn't see any ketones...
not sure if you saw his latest BG 115 so that should let me rest comfortably yes?
:)

**oh a ding ding just went off in my head** ---after his pricks he gets a treat.....i have to be honest here, i am not sure what the treat is, so needless to say THAT WILL BE STOPPING! i will be checking that list again tomorrow, for some reason I couldn't get it to open the other day....anyway, i will come up with some high protein treats to give......could that "unknown" treat be what is raising his BG now, and the cause of his original high BG?? Oh i am so so so so bad! BAD MOM!
I am off to bed...feeling horrible about the stupid unknown treat and what it might be doing.... BAD MOM....sigh
 
Re: 11/01 Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153 +6 70 +6.5 90 +7.5 11

Yes, you can get some sleep.
You will need to buy some Ketone test strips available in any pharmacy. They are like $10.00 for 50.
I am not going to advise you on dose, please ask for additional help on that.
I also am gone 11 hours a day..I test and shoot and get one hour before leaving for work for the day and am home at PMPS.
I freeze cans of FF and leave out 1 or 2 frozen cans when I leave for work, and I have an automatic feeder which I load with Friskies Low Carb food to open up at +5 and +7.
 
Re: 11/01 Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153 +6 70 +6.5 90 +7.5 11

Yep. You should be fine for the night. Is that 115 a +7.5 or +7? I may have lost track of time, but I didn't think we had been chatting that long. Post your AMBG first thing in the morning so that you can get more up-to-date dosing advice. You will most likely see some higher numbers tomorrow since there was such a big drop tonight. When there's a big drop like that, the pancreas gets confused and you generally get higher numbers the next day as a result.

If you won't be around during the day, I would highly suggest purchasing an automatic feeder. I had one with 6 compartments that I could set to open at timed intervals. I basically set it to feed her at +2, +3, +4, and +6...or something close to that (I essentially split up a can of FF into those small meals). When you say he's not eating the 'required' amount, what does that mean? Sorry, don't mean to ask you a ton of questions...I know it's late for you...but eating is super important. And yes, if you think there's a place where Mowgli absolutely won't get into the dry, I'd move it to that spot.

If you don't want to answer about the food stuff now, that's ok. Just include it in your morning post. You've been a trooper for your first day!!

s
 
Re: 11/01 Mowgli PMPS 401 1unit +3 153 +6 70 +6.5 90 +7.5 11

Oh, Keri! Don't super stress about the treat at test time. You are NOT a bad mommy....on the contrary....you are being a super loving bean staying up into the wee hours to take care of Mowgli! His numbers are coming up as they should be. Really, you just want to prevent the snacking on kibble throughout the day, and you've already come up with a plan to do that. Don't beat yourself up...like I said, you're doing great!! Get some rest and I'll check on you in the morning. Ciao!

s
 
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