10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99 - (+10) 7.2/130?

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Jane & Jack & Karre the Emperor

Jane & Jack & Karre the Emperor

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Good Morning, LL, and TGIF!!

Just now I realized that in Karre's 8th OTJ Day condo yesterday, I forgot to mention that a little while before he had that little lift into the blues, Karre and Henry had a bit of a spat, and Karre stalked off in a huff. That *may* have contributed to his BG. Overall, he's doing great. My usual BG-related paranoia is kicking in given the fact that, as Jill reminded us happens sometimes, Karre's average BG during this 2nd stint on Lantus and during this 2nd OTJ-Trial is a little higher than it was in both situations back in 2008. Not *much* higher.

2008 Averages
9th Nov - 15th Nov (OTJ Day 2): 7-Day BG Average 4.4/79
9th Nov - 22 Nov (OTJ Day 9): 14-Day BG Average 4.5/81

2012 Averages
27th Jul - 2 Aug (OTJ Day 1): 7-Day BG Average 5.3/95
27th Jul - 9 Aug (OTJ Day 8): 14-Day BG Average 5.3/95
Past 30-Day BG Average: 5.2/94

So I *know* Karre is where he should be, in the green, healthy, safe, OTJ-range. But come on, YOur Majesty, can't you throw in a few readings in the 60s and 70s, just to put my mind at rest? :roll: That ca. 15-point difference (from average around 80 to average around 95) isn't significant enough to really make me concerned. I suppose it's just bothering me a little. The only other difference from 2008 to 2012 is something DH brought up this morning - that in 2008, the SS reflects readings taken during hot spring/summer season, whereas the current 2012 readings are taken during our present, cold winter/spring season... From the few things I've been able to find and read about the effects of temperature/climate on blood sugar levels, there does seem to be at least a possibility that it may be a factor. Apparently, according to this British diabetes forum (for human diabetics), diabetics tend to have highers HbA1c-levels in colder months, and the decreased activity-levels that often can (and do, noticeably, with Karre) coincide with colder temperatures may also cause the BGs to creep up a bit. There is the suggestion, on these webpages, that the cold may also decrease insulin absorption. So far, I haven't been able to turn up much more reading material, and none at all on *feline* diabetics and their sensitivity to temperatures and their potential effects on BG levels. It *is* a topic that seems interesting to me. Has anyone else noticed a possible connection between heat/cold and related effects on BG levels?

Overall: Jill & Co. - anything here you think isn't as it should be at this stage in the OTJ-Trial?

WCR is fabulous. All 5 Ps present. Karre is napping on Jack's desk, helping Jack with his work no doubt by giving him a lovely accompanying melody of royal snores. :mrgreen:
Off I go to do some maths. TGIF!
Jane
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99

Isn't if funny how we worry about every little thing with our kitties. I wouldn't worry too much, Karre still looks really good. :mrgreen: Have a great day.
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99

We decided we'd get some extra OTJ-data today:

AMBG 5.5/99
(+2) 5.6/101
(+4) 5.2/94
(+6) 6.4/115

We'll probably get the (+8) and (+10) now too. Might as well. Ugh, I do wish he wouldn't flirt with the blues like that. At about (+5.5) he came in and had some FF - possibly, he felt his BG rising and snacked to self-regulate. He appears to be pretty good at doing that instinctively.

Back later - off to make lunch now.
Jane
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99

Very nice Karre! Especially for your second round of going OTJ :mrgreen:

I hear ya on worrying about every little thing our kitties do, I do the same thing.

Have a great day and hope you enjoyed your Friday.
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99

I don't think I recall the topic of insulin absorption and temperature ever being discussed. Maybe there was a Think Tank discussion at some point. There's no way to search the old board, though.
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99

Hi Jane,
We are often reminded that we can't compare where our kitties are now to where they were a year ago, 6 months ago, or even a month ago. They are where they are. Karre is well within the range of a "normal" cat, so there should not be cause for concern. Don't forget that 2008 was 4 years ago! Karre is 4 years older and his metabolism, etc. etc. may not be the same as it was in 2008.
What's great is how well he is doing.
HAPPY DAY 9, EMPEROR KARRE!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Ella & Rusty
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99

Oh Jane, if only we could learn to look at the whole cat, and not worry about day to day hour to hour numbers.
Karre is in healthy numbers and happy, and you are a wonderful caregiver.

Happy Day Nine, Karre!​
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99

Hi Jane!
I know what it's like to see that higher number!
I checked Tucker this morning and got a +3 of 124, retested at +4 102. I got worried !
Then I found out my partner tried getting the morning BG, and Tucker was fighting and had to be stuck a few times. Also, he had a hissing match with Sophie! They actually had a knock down, drag out fight last night. He's been sneaking into Sophies room and eating up her canned food too.
I guess Karre and Tucker are a bit on edge with the results too! They want to be OTJ !!!
Good luck, we and the kitties will all be celebrating soon!!!
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99

Thanks, Tracy, Lisa, Sienne, Ella and Barb! It's good to be reminded. I do keep in mind that Karre's 4 years older now and, at 16, definitely a senior cat with less activity overall and lower metabolism and whatnot. Still, even knowing all that, I worry. You can't stop a worrier :roll:

Thanks, all of you, for your encouragement!
Jane
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99

Hi Jane, congratulations to you and Karre on OTJ Day 9 - it is so close, anti-jynx, and I am so impressed with Karre's numbers. Even though he's had a few low blues, they're well within range, but I can understand wanting them to be all greens for the Trial!
Very interesting with the heat and cold and the effect on the bg's! I was thinking the heat and humidity here seem to cause a rise in Maggie's bg's. I've heard a few ask the same.
 
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Happy Day Nine!!!

That is an interesting idea but I have never noticed a change in BG based on ambient temperature but then we dont get any really cold weather.

One thing I have noticed with some cats in remission is their BG seems to continue to trend downward. I stress "some" because I don't always see it...but occasionally do. ECID. And also there is no scientific basis that I know of....I just have observed it on some SSs. Not sure why.......but maybe you will see it with Karre.

I think his numbers look fine! The other thing I wonder is if age has anything to do with it?

Hope you are having a good snooze! :-D :-D :-D
 
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HAPPY DAY 9 KARRE!!! :mrgreen:
I am wondering if the free feeding keeps the numbers higher. I would think that if you were only feeding every 4 hours on the dot you might see some lower numbers. Each time he eats a bit his numbers rise. All the other suggetions about his age and metabolism ring true too. Things seem to be moving along quite well though....congratulations on all the great BGs...doing great!!! :thumbup
 
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A snooze, Marje? Why would I be snoozing? It's only 20 to 6 pm here! :mrgreen:

Thanks so much for your feedback! Age does, I think, also factor into this. Ah well. As long as he stays healthy and in safe sub-120 numbers, I'll try to get myself to relax! :?

Jane
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99 - (+10) 7.2/

Karre is looking great! A bit of blue does not change that he is doing really well and setting a good example.

Interesting observation about possible seasonality. I am no expert but it makes sense that temperature could affect metabolism, heat or cold affects how much energy is going into maintaining body temperature and possibly alters activity. Seems like that could affect food + insulin. I wonder if longer/shorter days also plays some role? Hmmm...

Leslie
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99 - (+10) 7.2/

AMBG 5.5/99
(+2) 5.6/101
(+4) 5.2/94
(+6) 6.4/115
(+8) 5.9/106
(+10) 7.2/130
PMBG 4.7/85

Well blow me down. Pancreas obviously working. Should I feed him every few hours actively rather than only free-feeding?

Can't see any SS at the moment, not even mine (on iphone), stupid phone playing up.
Hope things seem less weird tomorrow... Both with electronics and BGs...

Jane
 
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you mean you don't snooze at 6pm???? Heck...I snooze whenever I have the opportunity ;-) ;-)

I wonder if you might see some better results if you did feed him small meals throughout the day. One would think that if he is free feeding, he's eating small meals throughout the day but some cats
are not grazers. If I put all of Tobey's food down at one time, he would free feed himself into a food coma :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's worth a shot to see if feeding every few hours helps the pancreas a bit.

I still think a scattered higher number here and there that is followed by eating and a reduction in number is ok, but why not experiment?
 
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i like marje's idea to try feeding every 4 hours to see if karre brings himself down each time. don't do it all night. just when you're up.
if that doesn't bring those blue numbers down we could revisit the 0.1u dose, but i have a feeling it won't be necessary. :mrgreen:
 
Re: 10th August - OTJ Day 9 - Karre AMBG 5.5/99 - (+10) 7.2/

Hi Jane, I thought I would drop in on this conversation, I was going to visit condos today anyway, and saw your post. Daphne has been OTJ for about 35 days now and she is 17, and on the high side of BG numbers most of the time. So maybe you can look at her SS just to compare with Karre's. You can see on my notes that I feed Daphne very small meals all day, and two larger ones at AM and PM. When I started the trial, I went to the smaller meals, and I thought it helped her a lot. I also reduced her total quantity of food by about .25oz a day. She gets about 5oz of food a day, with all mini meals of .35oz, and 2 larger ones of 1oz. I add about 1tsp. of water to her meals and set the auto feeders to go off every 2 hrs. or so. Sometimes I wonder myself, if that is too many mini meals, but she is a very hungry kitty all the time, no matter what her BGs are, and if I let her free feed, like Marje said, "free feed himself into a food coma". Also, about the temps, I did notice when I have Daphne outside (she is an indoor cat, but I let her sit on a chair outside with me for a few hours when its not too hot, but when it was really hot one day, she wanted to come inside (AC is set to about 70 in the house), and when she came in, I tested her, and it was very high, (don't remember what number, but in the high blues). I also believe that their age may play a role in their numbers, but thats just opinion, never saw an article on that.

Hope some of this helped, all of this is of course IMHO. Good luck with the next 4 days!
 
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