10/23 Sooty AMPS+11 273 PMPS 280 +4 283

[Perry and Sooty]

Here is Yesterday's condo

Today: AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 +6 252 +8.5 251 +11 273 PMPS 280 Shot (dosecrease to 3.5u) +4 283

Sooty seemed fine this morning, no unusual behavior, was good as gold for his punctures, ate his Xobaline in one gulp right off of the countertop.
But BGs are going UP, last night we got a PM +7 done and it was 313.

This morning's AMPS: 372 !!

I really don't know what to make of this... any ideas?

Kim suggested to consider a dosecrease this PM after 4 cycles at 3.25u, up by .25u to 3.5u - but to ask the experts!
Any suggestions would be very much appreciated...

 

[Ronnie & Luna]

bumpee

This morning's PMPS: 372 !!

you mean AMPS.

are you around today to monitor?

 

[Sienne and Gabby (GA)]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 - Dose???

I'd like to see how this cycle goes before making any suggestion about raising the dose. This may be a high before a break and the only way to know is to see what the cycle looks like.

 

[Angela & Blackie & 3 Others]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 - Dose???

Would you be able to get a +1 and a +2 this morning? I'm curious to see if he's rising after your dose.

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: bumpee

This morning's PMPS: 372 !!

you mean AMPS.
are you around today to monitor?

Yes!

I'd like to see how this cycle goes before making any suggestion about raising the dose. This may be a high before a break and the only way to know is to see what the cycle looks like.

OK, will keep checking him!

Would you be able to get a +1 and a +2 this morning? I'm curious to see if he's rising after your dose.

Yes, will do!
Thank you all very much, all good advice and much appreciated! BTW, he's just finished his 2nd breffis... and (overtones of "Oliver!"), he's asking for more please!?
Will be updating the SS first and then posting the new numbers up here...

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 - Dose???

Someone called Bruce Bochy just called from Philadelphia - says he wants to trade Sooty for someone called Lincecum?
Says he heard that Sooty has "...the most amazing Curve Ball"...

 

[Ronnie & Luna]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 - Dose???

:lol:
Good luck with today's cycle!

(PS: let's get your subject edited since you are sticking with the same dose for AMPS cycle, and we'll see how the day goes, k?)

 

[Pat+Raja+Shadow (GA)]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 - Dose???

Someone called Bruce Bochy just called from Philadelphia - says he wants to trade Sooty for someone called Lincecum?
Says he heard that Sooty has "...the most amazing Curve Ball"...

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 - Dose???

:lol:
Good luck with today's cycle!

(PS: let's get your subject edited since you are sticking with the same dose for AMPS cycle, and we'll see how the day goes, k?)

OK - done. Left the '?' icon there, OK?
And here's the +1: 374 up 2 from AMPS...

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303

Here's the +2 (303) - this is getting interesting...
Do you think I should keep on with hourly BGs?

 

[Barb & Checkers (GA)]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303

No advice, Perry. Just saying "Good Morning" to you and Sooty. :smile:

 

[Miriam and Putty (GA)]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303

Just peeking in.....I have not posted in your condo before..I don't think.
Welcome Perry and Sooty.

:lol: on the curve ball.

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303

While Sooty was contributing a P just now, grabbed a Ketone test... Negative.
GOOD! (one less thing to worry about!)

Hi Miriam & Putty (like the name!) thanks for stopping by!

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295

+ 3, back to yellow...
You know Iam beginning to wonder about the Abbott (Freestyle Lite) test strips. When we first got this meter we bought 100 Freedom LITE test strips. They came in a blue container, and those strips are the same width for their entire length, a parallel strip. We used 100 of those and then we ordered replacemnts from Hocks. We left it a bit late and ran out so Cathy got some from WalMart. The new ones from both WalMart and Hocks were a NEW style, come in a Yelloe/Orange colored container, and have a much smaller tip (the new-style strips taper down to quite a narrow width right at the 'business' end - where you sip the blood drop). We started to use those on 9/30. Last week we were down to 30 or so left of those so I ordered 100 more from Hocks (same item number, same name, same everything) and this time the ones they shipped us are the ORIGINAL style, same as our first 100, again in the blue container.
We ran out of the 9/30 new-style strips last night and started to use the new supply (at PM +9) - and wham!!! - immediately, PINK! I of course, wondered if this was just a coincidence seeing that this was the first of the new pack of strips, so I tested one of the new strips using the Abbott control solution. It read 107 (where the new style strips had read 100 "even", using the same control solution. So I concluded: No, it's not these new strips, this must be a valid reading.
I repeated the test this morning to double check the latest strips and again, the new strip: 107.

BUT this is really the weird thing:

The NEW Style strips container that we received on 9/30 has an expiration date of 2011/12. The "OLD-style" strips that we just received from Hocks, have an expiration date of 2012/8 (8 months LATER). Why would these 'old-style' strips seemingly have been made later (have a later exp date) than the 'new style' ones we bought in September?

I am rather baffled, to say the least...

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295

OK I called Abbott and asked them about the strips and they say there is nothing to worry about, except maybe that Hocks stock rotation might be somewhat suspect!

The new style strips apparently simply have a shorter shelf-life than the original type - hence the earlier expiration date for the new-style strips even if they must have been manufactured later than the old style ones we just received. Confusing, or what! Like we needed one more variable in this picture!?!?!?!

Anyhow the bottom line now DOES seem to be that Sooty really HAS been throwing us these suddenly odd numbers.
Hope this helped clear up any suspicions anyone (including me) may have been thinking about!

Perry

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 ???

+4 270...

Should I keep on testing him on the hour? He's a proper pin-cushion today...!

 

[Kim 'n Shadow]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 ???

you've probably answered this somewhere and I can't find it, would you give us the rundown on Sooty's diet? Perhaps the folks who have been here longer than me have seen kitties like him before who just don't want to budge their numbers. little rascal.

eta: I can't see what hourly numbers are going to tell us now. When does he nadir? And how much does he weigh?

 

[CD and BigMac]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 ???

Gosh, I enjoyed your investigational report about the test strips. It is nice to know about the new style vs the old style and the expiration dates.

I do wish that it had been something that simple to explain Sooty's higher numbers. But unfortunately, he's a cat and they love to baffle us. I hope his numbers start to come down for you. You are doing really well with all of this crazy sugar dancing stuff.

And a Giants fan, in Atlanta?
I'm a Phillies fan in Chattanooga! :lol:

 

[Pat+Raja+Shadow (GA)]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 ???

He's coming down....I think....isn't he?

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 ???

you've probably answered this somewhere and I can't find it, would you give us the rundown on Sooty's diet? Perhaps the folks who have been here longer than me have seen kitties like him before who just don't want to budge their numbers. little rascal.

eta: I can't see what hourly numbers are going to tell us now. When does he nadir? And how much does he weigh?

Sure, he's on entirely wet LC. FF, Friskies, 9-lives, all <10% carbs from janet & Binkys' lists. Occasionally a can of Chicken of the Sea Tuna, and occasionally a bit of steak just for a treat (we grilled 2 filets last night and he got a bit, lightly cooked - all by itself with nothing added). This is very infrequent though..! (can't have him getting too used to THAT!)
He was used to free-feeding on dry food before Dx (you'll be shocked to learn - NOT!) - so we now feed him about 2 oz at a time, every hour or two, depending on demand (meowing sessions!). He eats somewhere between 15oz - 20 oz per day (average is probably about 18oz/24h). He rarely eats anything at all overnight (from 11pm/midnight-ish, until 7-8AM the next morning).
Nadir, if detectable at all, seems to be somewhere betwen + 3 and +5, as far as I can tell but as his numbers tend to be rather flat, you can't easily say.
He weighs 15lbs (vet nurse logged him at 6.7Kg the other day) which is pretty much right on his ideal weight. He's had no significant change to that, either before or since Dx. Has maintained his weight really remarkably consistently, throughout all this.
Hope this helps!!

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 ???

Gosh, I enjoyed your investigational report about the test strips. It is nice to know about the new style vs the old style and the expiration dates.

I do wish that it had been something that simple to explain Sooty's higher numbers. But unfortunately, he's a cat and they love to baffle us. I hope his numbers start to come down for you. You are doing really well with all of this crazy sugar dancing stuff.

And a Giants fan, in Atlanta?
I'm a Phillies fan in Chattanooga! :lol:

Been lots of curveballs the last couple of days, the strips thing was just one more I guess!
Thanks for the kind words - that is always VERY welcome!
Not really a Giants fan - although we used to live in the Bay Area...! But now the Braves are out of the picture... well maybe!

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 ???

He's coming down....I think....isn't he?

Yes, he is, even if this is still a higher number now, than most of the time a week or so ago while he was getting none at all...! I suppose that must mean that he is reacting to the Lantus somehow - but heck, talk about "ECID" !!! Sooty must have "wrote the book" on that..!!
Will go to every 2 hours now... next test at 2PM (AM +6)...

 

[Kim 'n Shadow]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 ???

just throwing this out to get some comments from the group - that's a healthy amount of eats! I'm sure someone has sent you links to Dr. Lisa's articles - a gold mine of information, all of it - she says 4-6 oz a day plus a chunk of raw meat. rough math gives us about 225 cal. a day for our boy. I know he's still really hungry all the time and that will get better down the line but we have to deal with the here and now - so ...shop Janet and Binky's list for 0% carbs and see if you can find some that he likes. If it takes that much food to fill him up, he needs the ultra-low calorie stuff and 3-4% may just be "too rich for his blood."

thoughts?

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 ???

just throwing this out to get some comments from the group - that's a healthy amount of eats! I'm sure someone has sent you links to Dr. Lisa's articles - a gold mine of information, all of it - she says 4-6 oz a day plus a chunk of raw meat. rough math gives us about 225 cal. a day for our boy. I know he's still really hungry all the time and that will get better down the line but we have to deal with the here and now - so ...shop Janet and Binky's list for 0% carbs and see if you can find some that he likes. If it takes that much food to fill him up, he needs the ultra-low calorie stuff and 3-4% may just be "too rich for his blood."

thoughts?

Just to add: he isn't putting on any weight at all, so he must need what he's been eating, to maintain...?
We do try and keep to the 0s, 3s & 4s etc but there are so few 0's out there... and he's not keen on the all-fishy 0s unfortunately! Also he was most of the time in the mid 200s, when controlled just by diet alone a week or so ago, does that say anything?

 

[Laurie and Mr Tinkles]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 +6 252

Perry, Sooty is eating a lot more than he "should" need because he is unregulated...once his numbers start to get better consistently, his hunger will diminish. Tinkles was eating almost that much when he was diagnosed, he now eats about 8 oz per day...he weighs 13.5 lb. I wouldn't worry about watching calories *too* much right now...but since he is at ideal weight, I would weigh him weekly and adjust as necessary if you see him gaining.

I always stick to the lowest carb food I can because Tinkles is carb sensitive, I don't feed anything over 4-5%...however I have noticed that not all _ % carb foods are created equal when it comes to effect on BG. If I feed Tinkles a 3% carb Fancy Feast food, he gets a BIG food spike. If I feed him a 3% carb Special Kitty food, the food spike is far smaller. So, IMHO, not all 3% food is the same (or any other % for that matter). When I try a new food, I do it when he isn't bouncing and I feed at PS, then test at +1 to see BG effect.

Be careful about feeding the fishy varieties too much, they may be low carb, but can create other health issues. I've seen it recommended here to only feed fish twice a week. As far as being in the 200s while not on insulin, that really only tells me that he needs insulin. ;-)

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 +6 252

Thanks Laurie.

Actually we're a slight bit worried - as it's become evident over the last couple of hours, that he seems rather subdued and listless today. He wasn't too bad at all 1st thing this morning... but not so much now...

I guess this could be just because his suddenly even-more elevated BG is simply sapping his energy; but then again, maybe this extra-elevated BG today might mean that he's coming down with something?

We will keep a very close eye on him... OK he doesn't have any (other) symptoms right now, but just in case.
Hope I'm just being paranoid...

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 +6 252 +8.5 251

Today so far: AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 +6 252 +8.5 251

 

[Libby and Lucy]

Re: 10/23 Sooty +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 +6 252 +8.5 251

do the new Freestyle Lite strips slurp the blood as fast as they seem to on the TV commercials? I've been tempted to try them, as I like my old Freestyle meter but don't like that they are too slow to fill. I'm using the Aviva now because it sucks the blood from across the room.

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 +6 252 +8.5 251

do the new Freestyle Lite strips slurp the blood as fast as they seem to on the TV commercials? I've been tempted to try them, as I like my old Freestyle meter but don't like that they are too slow to fill. I'm using the Aviva now because it sucks the blood from across the room.

Yes, they really are MUCH faster than the original ones, very noticably so. You can use a really small blood drop too, not quite from across the room :lol: but still very quick and easy to get a beep.
Note though that these new ones are Freestyle 'Lite' strips and are only for the Freestyle Lite or Freestyle Freedom Lite meters (they're not for use in the original Freestyle model).
I was real disappointed when Hocks shipped us the old style ones after they had shipped us the new ones last time! Bad stock rotation for sure...!

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty ?? PM Dosecrease ??

Today so far: AMPS 372 +1 374 +2 303 +3 295 +4 270 +6 252 +8.5 251 +11 273

So do we go ahead and increase, from 3.25 to 3.5, from this PM shot?

 

[Pat+Raja+Shadow (GA)]

Re: 10/23 Sooty +4 270 +6 252 +8.5 251 +11 273 ? PM Dosecrea

Well, this is the 4th cycle, right Perry? It's good that he came down to the yellows again...
Hopefully, someone will be around before you have to shoot....How is Sooty feeling today?

 

[Perry and Sooty]

Re: 10/23 Sooty +4 270 +6 252 +8.5 251 +11 273 ? PM Dosecrea

Well, this is the 4th cycle, right Perry? It's good that he came down to the yellows again...
Hopefully, someone will be around before you have to shoot....How is Sooty feeling today?

He seems to have bucked up a bit, this evening...
I think I will go ahead and increase - unless anyone drops by to disagree!
I am REALLY hoping these odd numbers today are a good sign - but we have at least by now, learned not to get our hopes up too high!!