10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76 ER vet visit, but all ok now

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Tracy & Leo

Tracy & Leo

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Well we just had barf-o-rama 2011 here. I had a feeling that his clavaseptin was making him nauseous, he will eat fine for breffis and supper but not much else in between. So we are stopping the AB, we are due at the vet on Tuesday for a dental check up and see what Andrea says about different AB or even none at all. Suggestions for a broad spectrum AB that doesn't cause nausea???? My poor kitty is meat loafing on the couch right now, insulin on board and NO food, of course I left his HC food at my parents, his sugar is headed down and I'm sure he's not hungry at the moment.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo AMPS 90, +2.5 67

Hi Tracy, so sorry Leo is not feeling good today and vomiting. Yes, that's getting low there at the 67. Do you have any mc in the house if not any hc. Sending good thoughts and vines for Leo. These things always seem to happen on a weekend. Keep us posted.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo AMPS 90, +2.5 67, +3 65

I tried giving him some purebites and he wouldn't even eat those. He's not too terribly low at the moment and usually nadirs around +3 so hopefully he will start coming up. +4 in 20 minutes and I'll go from there.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo AMPS 90, +2.5 67, +3 65, +4 65

Well +3 and +4 were the same and Leo decided he was feeling better and ate some Friskies chefs dinner with a packet of fortiflora!!!! That's my good boy cat_pet_icon
 
Re: 10/23 Leo AMPS 90, +2.5 67, +3 65, +4 65

Poor Leo!!! I hope he continues to want to eat!! Poor dude...he's been through the wringer lately!!
 
Re: 10/23 Leo AMPS 90, +2.5 67, +3 65, +4 65

Hi Tracy

I'm sorry to hear what your sweet Leo has been going through this past week. Bless his little heart. Glad to hear he ate something. Its such a helpless feeling when our kitters are feeling sick.

Sending him big ole Texas size healing vines.

Feel better little Leo.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo AMPS 90, +2.5 67, +3 65, +4 65

Poor Leo...what a rough start! I'm glad to hear he did finally eat. I hope he continues to feel better!!
 
Re: 10/23 Leo AMPS 90, +2.5 67, +3 65, +4 65

:-D :-D I'm glad he's finally eating. If he is nauseous from the abs, I know some beans give Pecid. I think 1/4 tablet, but I'd check around first.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo AMPS 90, +2.5 67, +3 65, +4 65

I just really don't want to continue with the AB's, Leo has lost 1.5lbs since the last time i was home and i know its due to him not wanting to eat from those AB's. I left to run some errands and when i got home he had eaten his friskies that i left out for him this morning. He was hungry at his +10 so i fed him a package of the FF hors d'orves (sp?) and i bought some HC FF for him to eat at supper as well too. My poor kitty has had a very rough 2 weeks.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74

Poor, poor Leo! I'm so sorry the AB's are making his tummy sick. My Cleo is on baytril right now for a UTI and it has made her feel a little sick. What is helping is that I am giving her 1/4 pepcid at night and in the morning. Usually, she just gets it once a day but I upped it to see if it would help. It has! She is not feeling too bad and is eating well. I hope you can find the right AB that will help Leo but not make him sick.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74

aw, Leo!! sorry you're not feeling well...but I couldnt help laughing at 'Barf-O-Rama 2011"

nice pmps, guy...
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74

Tracy - I know how you feel about the meds. I stopped giving Petey the metronidazole after only 2 doses, because I really think it was contributing to how crappy he was feeling. I certainly wouldn't recommend that anyone else randomly take their cats of any sort of meds, but sometimes we do have to go with our gut feelings. I hope Leo is feeling better this evening...we all know how tough it is when they are feeling icky.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74

Ok so Leo just puked again. I am super worried since i didn't give him his dose of AB tonight, he's been ok since this afternoon and supper when he ate quite a bit (3hours ago) i noticed him sitting staring at his LB right before he got sick......my poor kitty was crying just before he got sick. I am heading out right now to get some Pepcid, can somebody please tell me the dose.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74 Help with Pepcid dose

Be sure to get the basic pepcid, not the advance or max or whatever the fancypants one is called. I believe the dose is 1/4 of a pill, but others will be along to confirm, I'm sure.

You may want to pick up some meat baby food when you're out... one with no onions or cornstarch if they have it. Will be gentle for his tummy and kitties seem to love the stuff.

Fingers and paws crossed that poor Leo is feeling better soon!
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74 Help with Pepcid dose

The dose is 1/4 of a 10 mg Pepsid AC tablet.

FWIW, Flagyl in humans can cause inappetance and/or nausea.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74 Help with Pepcid dose

Am I supposed to pill him with the pepcid? I'm at the drugstore and looking at Heinz chicken with broth bf. Would that be ok for Leo?
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74 Help with Pepcid dose

As long as there are no onions, etc. in the ingredients, it should be fine. If it's just chicken and broth, it's OK.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74 Help with Pepcid dose

Yep just chicken and broth on the label. I've never pilled Leo before. How do I do it?
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74 Help with Pilling now

The easiest way is to "hide" the pill in a chunk of cheese, chicken, etc. -- anything that Leo will eat. If he's not willing to eat a treat, then you open his mouth and tilt his head back. Drop the pill as far back in his mouth as you can and hold his mouth closed until he swallows. It's best to follow with either a squirt of water (from a syringe without a needle) or a treat.

You might want to check on YouTube for a video of pilling a cat. I'm sure there's got to be a video.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74 Help with Pilling now

i wrap the pill in the pill pockets (not necessary, but it makes it go down easier) and then sit punkin in a chair next to my left side. punkin's sitting cuddled in my left arm (I'm right-handed).

i use my left hand to hold down his front arms.

with the pill in my right hand, i use my right hand to pry open his gripped closed jaws, then i poke the pill down punkin's throat. you have to do it quick. he swallows it and it's over in just a moment.

that's what i do, perhaps others have other techniques to suggest.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74 Help with Pilling now

Well that was alot of fighting for nothing, i pilled him and he puked it all up again. I am sick with worry. I just phoned the vet clinic and talked to our old vet, he tells me that clavaseptin (its clavamox) can build up a sensitivity in Leo's system which is finally showing itself (he's been on it now for 8 days) it will take 24-36 hours for it to work its way out of his system, so he could be pukey until tomorrow night. So, no insulin tomorrow and we'll just move up our dental checkup for tomorrow........now i feel sick.....with worry, and i know i'm not going to sleep tonight.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74 Help with Pilling now

oh tracy, i'm sorry. was the clavamox given for the belly wound?

i hope leo rests well tonight and is feeling more like himself tomorrow.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74 Help with Pilling now

Oh, Tracy, I am sorry. I can understand you are upset. Hopefully tomorrow he will be able to eat. Sending lots of positive energy to you and Leo. Big hugs too.
Liz
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76

Yes the clavamox was for his belly wound. The vet told me no pepcid, and no baby food, just regular cat food, when he feels up to eating. What is a good FF or Wellness for upset tummies? Something plain-ish that i can leave out and he can nibble on if he wants.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76

Poor Baby Leo!! My vet had told us to feed thecat something as they get nauseous if you give AB;s without any food, just like peeps...But Poor Leo, he has been through the Mill!!!
See if he can get he liquid Clavamox it is so much easier than a pill...If that's what he can tske, or what they have in canada..I would see how he is tomorrow & maybe bring him in if need be--With these numbers, he seems to be surfing--Try to get him to eat the baby food, or you can pulverize some real chicken in the blender..Praying Leo feel better by tomorrow--Love that BOY!! Please try to get some sleep.
Hugs & love from us--Healing vines to Leo!!!
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76

He may need a shot of an anti-nausea med. You might want to contact Karrie. I know that she often recommends ondansatron.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76

I asked about some anti-nausea meds and the vet told me at this point he wouldn't give anything for the time being. The AB's just need to work its way out of his system. But i will for sure ask about ondansatron tomorrow.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76

Poor Leo, I hope the ABs clear aout sooner rather than later and he is feeling himself soon. You two have had a hard week. :YMHUG: :YMHUG: cat_pet_icon cat_pet_icon
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76

Well the vomiting continued and to the point I was scared. Leo was barfing non stop, so I made the decision to take him to the ER vet. We saw a very nice vet, who told me Leo was either suffering from pancreatitis or a very bad reaction from the clavamox. He seemed to think it was the later of the 2. He was very concerned with Leo's wound and did not like the way dr Andrea has been handling his wound care, he seemed to think I should take him in to have the scabbies taken off and Leo definitely needs more AB's but NOT the clavamox. So he did a quick blood panel and found Leo was very dehydrated, but his BG was great. So they did SubQ fluids (100mls) and gave him a cerenia shot to help with the barfing. We are now home and my little bugger is purring and happy!! The ER is actually a veterinary college, so we had 3 students working with Leo plus the ER vet, they said he was quite feisty and very unhappy with all the poking and prodding, so now that he's purring and happy must mean he's feeling a bit better. He was looking for food but I think I'll hold off for a bit and give the cerenia a chance to kick in. I'm exhausted and now in the poor house after a dental, 2 vet visits and an ER visit!!!!!! :shock: :shock: All in less than 2 weeks.....but anything for my baby and I'm just happy he's purring.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76 ER vet visit, but all ok

Hi Tracy, I'm just catching up with Leo and you, and so sory to hear how sick Leo was yesterday. Good move taking him to the ER. It sounds like he got a good exam there and another opinion. So glad he's feling better. I'll check later this morning to get the latest. I hope the shot helps with the barfing. I think the squids helped him, too. Sending some vines and prayers for healing for Leo and hugs for you.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76 ER vet visit, but all ok

Tracy, I'm just seeing this. Hope Leo is feeling better this morning. Will check back with you later. Healing vines are on the way.

Ella & Rusty
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76 ER vet visit, but all ok

oh, my, poor Leo and poor Tracy! Sounds like one heck of an exhausing day you had yesterday. I'm glad that Leo feels better now and I hope that you guys had a nice rest so that you both feel up to par today.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76 ER vet visit, but all ok

That wound looks pretty serious and I'm really glad you took him in.

Cerenia is great for acute vomiting but not just general nausea. Can you get the vet to prescribe cerenia pills AS WELL AS ondansetron or dolasetron? Many people use both Cerenia to control vomiting and ondansetron (1mg - 1/4 of a 4mg pill) to control nausea. This will help him eat. Is your father up to syringe feeding him to keep his weight up? That's a lot of weight and can lead to liver disease. Did the new vet have any idea how this infection arose?
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76 ER vet visit, but all ok

It's not a new infection, the vet feels this is due to clavamox. I didn't know that cerenia didn't help with the nausea. We just got up and I checked Leo's BG and it is 94 he ate some Friskies chefs dinner, maybe a few bites before I stopped him, I don't want to feed him too too much.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76 ER vet visit, but all ok

Cerenia is great for stopping vomiting and for some cats for nausea. But keep an eye out that it isn't enough to hit overall nausea. Showing interest in food but licking/walking away, lip smacking, lip licking, teeth grinding, sitting at the water bowl and looking at it but not drinking, extra swallowing. Good luck with the change in the antibiotics. Hope that fixes Leo right up.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76 ER vet visit, but all ok

you are such an awesome mom, Tracy...

and Lil Mr Leo...binks is rushing around getting his spa kit ready to come visit you...
be very careful that he tells you EXACTLY what he has planned for your hair...cuz sometimes he goes a little overboard....
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76 ER vet visit, but all ok

tracy, sorry for posting on yesterday's condo, but i might not catch you later this morning. the cerenia might be enough for leo - i know ECID, but punkin got cerenia for vomiting and he did fine on it. they did give him some pills and he took them for a week or so.

hope you got to sleep in a little bit this morning and today is easier all around!
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76 ER vet visit, but all ok

I think we're all going to post on yesterday's condo until today's goes up....we all love Leo and worry about him!! I hope he has a turnaround. And, to be honest, I'm glad you've seen a new vet. I know you like your old vet, but I think she was a bit too laid back about things. Diabetic kitties can't do much "wait and see"-ing. I think you might ask the new vet about an ointment for Leo's tummy because, as you probably know from your own experience, when a wound like that is healing, it starts to itch something fierce. The last thing you need is Leo wanting to scratch at it.
 
Re: 10/23 Leo PMPS 74, +3 65, +4 76 ER vet visit, but all ok

Thanks everyone for your concern. We are headed to see our vet this morning, Leo is feeling pretty punky this morning hes eaten about a teaspoon of food so far. Both of us only got a few hours of shut eye. ER doc wanted us to see our regular vet first thing this morning for new AB's, look at Leo's belly and address the nausea and vomiting. No pukus since last nights cerenia and he didn't eat enough to get his insulin this morning.

I will update and start a new condo when we get back from the vet.
 
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