10/22 Sooty AMPS 285 +3 241 +5 214 +7 255 +9 302

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Perry and Sooty

Perry and Sooty

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New Q about Friskies in new post below..

First, here's yesterday...

And to remind you of last evening: we went to see regular vet last evening and we have an appt MONDAY at 9AM to draw blood to send to MSU DCPAH lab for the IGF-1 and IAA tests.

So we're up to 3.25 and the only observation so far, is that his daily AMPS number is seemingly going back UP again. I don't know why that should be, but the one thing I can think of is that this could be some reaction to a possible low during the night? So let me ask for advice:

Should we do a FULL overnight curve on him? If so, is every 2 hours OK, so if his shot time is 8, should we do 10p, 12a, 2a, 4a, 6a?

He's fine this morning, purring like mad during his puncture session, eating 2 bowls for brefis, done a VERY big pee in the LB (Ketones NEG).

Thanks for any comments on "why the AMPS going up" and on the overnight testing,

Perry
 
Re: 10/22 Sooty AMPS 285 (why AMPS going up, advice pls?)

Perry, no advice here. Just bumping.
Thank you for visiting Checkers' condo. :smile:
 
Re: 10/22 Sooty AMPS 285 (why AMPS going up, advice pls?)

Personally, I won't tell anyone to lose a night's sleep but I certainly admire your willingness to do so!! I really think Sooty numbers are a flat yellow. Maybe getting a mid-cycle check will satisfy your curiosity.

I think you are getting wedded to individual numbers. It may help if you thing of each test as a range. Meter variance is roughly 10 - 20%. If you graphed that range so you had a band of numbers with your actual test number in the middle, you'd see how your numbers, even at AMPS, are very close. The difference between today and 10/13 is minimal. Also, BG values tend to be higher in the mornings -- it's called "dawn phenomenon." The body releases cortisol in the early morning hours and this naturally raises BG levels.
 
Re: 10/22 Sooty AMPS 285 (why AMPS going up, advice pls?)

Do you give Sooty a snack at all during the PM cycle?
Usually the AMPS are the last number to come down for a lot of kitties.
How is Sooty's behavior...to food etc. Is he his old self or has he changed at all?

IF you want to try getting some tests in at night over this weekend, it would satisfy our curiosity for sure...
I get up each night at +7 to test and give a snack but as Sienne said, we usually don't suggest that people stay up through the night. It is very hard to function with broken sleep. But if you can, and you would want to do that, it would fill in the PM cycle blanks...
 
Re: 10/22 Sooty AMPS 285 (why AMPS going up, advice pls?)

That's a great help Pat & Sienne! Thanks.
I have done a couple of spot checks 'in the wee hours' before - and have simply seen the same old yellows, so your explanation that AMPS are normally high in each cycle is fine.
The only thing that drew my attention to the AMPS numbers at all, and yoou can see this in the SS, is that when we stopped insulin, they markedly seemed to come down (they were quite commonly or even mostly, pink before); and since we resumed, they seem to be going back up. Just seemed odd - and it made me wonder why!
 
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Sooty is a puzzlement. I follow his SS off and on, always interested to see what the experienced folk have to say. There are folks around here that switched to Lev from Lantus, pick their brains a bit when you come across them, see what led them to change. has your vet had success with different types of insulin? that was one of the things my vet talked to me about, back in the beginning. Shadow's numbers just wouldn't budge. not suggesting a thing here other than continuing to gather intel.

it is so hard to be patient with this, isn't it? a continuous struggle for many of us. I tell myself over and over, "Shadow didn't get here overnight, she's not going to get well overnight." doesn't make it any easier tho, so I feel your pain. :sad:
 
Re: 10/22 Sooty AMPS 285 +3 241 Friskies has RICE?

I just noticed this morning that some of the Friskies cans that we've been using (that ARE on Janet & Binky's list as 3s, 4s etc), have RICE in the ingredients list! I have no idesa if that was there before or not... I don't remember seeing it befoe - but does that mean, they're not, or no longer, LC? We pretty much thought that any of the FF or Friskies varieties (with no gravy!) were OK...?

Anyone else noticed this?
 
Re: 10/22 Sooty AMPS 285 +3 241 Friskies has RICE?

Perry and Sooty said:
I just noticed this morning that some of the Friskies cans that we've been using (that ARE on Janet & Binky's list as 3s, 4s etc), have RICE in the ingredients list! I have no idesa if that was there before or not... I don't remember seeing it befoe - but does that mean, they're not, or no longer, LC? We pretty much thought that any of the FF or Friskies varieties (with no gravy!) were OK...?

Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: 10/22 Sooty AMPS 285 +3 241 +5 214 Q: Friskies has RICE?

Ele & Blackie said:
Hi Perry,
Here are some posts from the old FDMB on the rice in Friskies. I think the consensus was that its such a small amount it doesn't add to the carbs.

http://www.felinediabetes.com/phorum5/r ... ?8,1892854

http://www.felinediabetes.com/phorum5/r ... ?8,1889986

I hope you'll see some movement down to blue soon.
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That's a relief then! Had me going there for a while, I'm really not sure why I hadn't notoced it before...

Thanks - and I hope your Blackie will soon settle down into the blues (or better!)
 
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Kim 'n Shadow said:
Sooty is a puzzlement. I follow his SS off and on, always interested to see what the experienced folk have to say. There are folks around here that switched to Lev from Lantus, pick their brains a bit when you come across them, see what led them to change. has your vet had success with different types of insulin? that was one of the things my vet talked to me about, back in the beginning. Shadow's numbers just wouldn't budge. not suggesting a thing here other than continuing to gather intel.

it is so hard to be patient with this, isn't it? a continuous struggle for many of us. I tell myself over and over, "Shadow didn't get here overnight, she's not going to get well overnight." doesn't make it any easier tho, so I feel your pain. :sad:
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Kim, so sorry, I skipped over your reply somehow! (not ignoring you! well not on purpose!!)

Yes it's a bit like someone said, it's as though we're shooting water. Only sometimes it strikes me that his numbers actually go UP when we give him more insulin.
I just hope we can get him stable soon - we have a 3-month old (our first!) Grandson, in England, that we STILL haven't met yet - as we have been putting off traveling until we could get Sooty stabilized (at lease at lower numbers in the 100s). He was Dx'd in June and we figured we'd have made more progress than this by now...!
 
+9 302 Grrr!
I shall just have to look on the bright side and consider this a bounce to the 212 low earlier. You can always hope...
...any evidence that he's actually noticed the insulin, would be wlelcome, for sure!
 
Kim is so right. He is a puzzlement.
Back to the basics. Can you describe you exactly you shoot Perry and where?
Are you shooting in the scruff? Do you keep the syringe plunger depressed all the way and keep it depressed as you withdraw the syringe?

We use Levemir...after Vetsulin we went right to lev so I never used Lantus myself....
How is his behavior now that he is back on insulin. How is the hunger--normal yet or still ravenously hngr?
 
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Pat+Raja+Shadow said:
Kim is so right. He is a puzzlement.
Back to the basics. Can you describe you exactly you shoot Perry and where?
Are you shooting in the scruff? Do you keep the syringe plunger depressed all the way and keep it depressed as you withdraw the syringe?

We use Levemir...after Vetsulin we went right to lev so I never used Lantus myself....
How is his behavior now that he is back on insulin. How is the hunger--normal yet or still ravenously hngr?
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We started out shooting in the scruff but once we learned more I started to shoot in his flanks and have done so now for at least a couple of months. Get a good pinch-up either front or rear flank where the loose skin is, near to the shoulders / hips; I shoot the 1/2in needles at an angle, more into the 'tent' but with the 5/16 ones I go more straight in. No wet fur has been noticed since way back, when we were just starting out - and (esp with the short needles) I am usually able to feel the insulin go in, between the finger & thumb that I'm pinching him up with. I recall one occasion when I did miss and the needle went at an angle, in one side and out the other and there was no doubt, wet fur (and I didn't feel anything at all go in). That was SO definitely a fur shot that I did a do -over, there was no way ANY insulin went into him! And yes I consciously press the plunger all the way in and I wait a few seconds before pulling it out. I do believe I keep the plunger depressed once it's pressed in all the way.

Looking back in the SS, to when we stopped shooting altogether, there is no way I can envision that his numbers could/should possibly be that different, never mind higher, while I am giving insulin, than when I was not shooting him at all, is there? Unless we have a vial of "Sutnal"? (weak joke, sorry!)

Hunger is still very high although often he will meow for food when he has only just eaten and there is still plenty of food left in his dish! He is always after whatever we are eating, or preparing...

Does that help any?
 
am shot will be 4 cycles, see what the experts think about another dosecrease. when do you get lab results? (I thought the sutnal joke was funny - and so apt for sooty)
 
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