10/20 Food question

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Good Monday morning LL!

Does anyone have any opinions on Solid Gold Chicken Turkey White Fish and Liver can food. The carb contenti is 5.62 and Phosphorus is .50. Looks like this would be an OK choice of food especially for Picasso (CKD) and not too bad for Monet either? Is it the fact that it contains the white fish that might not make it a good choice?

% Phosphorus = .50
% Protein = 42.14
% Sodium = .31
% Fat = 30.08
% Carbs = 5.62
Calories Per oz. = 34.90
 
since you are looking for low phosphorus foods.

this list has them from lowest to highest.....Tanya's food tables

I bought a case of that food and Shadow won't eat it.
I couldn't find any where that sold it.

I wish she would since I feed mine seafood varieties.
Mostly folks do try to avoid too much seafood... especially for males.
It becomes a matter of priority.... if phosphorus is key.
 
Hi Rhiannon... thanks for your visit and info. I have been utilizing Tanya's and Lisa's food tables to try and figure out best food options.
chewy's sells the 5.5 oz cans of the Solid Gold food so I thought I might try it and only let Picasso eat it. I love ordering from them.. Best customer service ever!

Hope Shadow is doing better today. . . Been thinking and praying for both of you.
 
the quality looks good....

I was thinking of offering everyone a chance to try it if they wanted....
i'll mail cans out.

maybe if I added some slurried raw shrimp to it.... I could get Shadow to eat it....
 
Check out Tess's condo from yesterday, I put in a formula for calculating the "As Fed" Phos% into "mg Phos per 100 calories" that Dr. Lisa uses on her list. Keep in mind that Tanya's list is % Phos on Dry Matter basis and they won't put in carb info. Dr Lisa's list shows both carbs in ME (Metabolized Energy or % of calories from protein, fat and carbs) and DM and phos in DM and mg Phos /100kcal. 1% Phos DM is usually around 250mg Phos/100kcal. I try to keep tess down to 200, her Phos levels are back in the normal range and her bun and creatinine are holding steady at the high end of normal or just over.
 
Thanks Ann...you must have put that in after I checked out Tess's SS yesterday...I will take another look and see if I can put the numbers in to get a true reading of the amount of phosphorus and carbs in the Solid Gold. I spent a good bit of time looking at your tab on her ss for Phos/Carbs ....I really liked how you colored coded it and also had the LC MC and HC flagged. Very very useful!

This food stuff is really confusing... With the dry matter vs the ME vs the as feed ....you guys must be rocket scientist to figure it all out ;-)
I really do want to understand it all so that I can make good choices for both Picasso and Monet.

So if I am doing this correctly my calc for the Solid Gold would be:
.50x156=78 div by 191.95 (5.5 oz can at 34.90 cal per ounce?) = .4063 x 1000= 406.35 mg/Phos 100kcal.
If I did this correctly then this is way too high for a CKD kitty! This confuses me even more because the Solid Gold was listed as the second lowest Phos food on Tanya's Commercial food chart sorted by Phos % .... I was thinking it was even better than the Weruva Steak Frites or Cats in the Kithen on the Cat Wok ( both of which I have already been feeding both Picasso and Monet). I think I am just not seeing all of this clearly.
 
Thanks on the SS, I just found it made life simpler to color code what I was looking for. I actually too Dr. Lisa's whole list and reformatted it back into a SS. What I have in the Tab are just what I think will work for carbs and Phos for Tess. Unfortunately there are a lot of new foods out there and I haven't updated it recently.

You got the .50% from Tanya's list? If so that is not the "As Fed" number I use in the calculation it is Dry Matter, so you would need to get it back to where it is the % of the food w/ the moisture in it. Unfortunately, Tanya doesn't list the % of moisture so we have to go w/ the Guaranteed Analysis of not more than 78% and hope that is close to the what it actually is.

If so then the DM is 22% of the food. Multiply that times the .50 Phos would give you .11% Phos As Fed. Use that for the calculation:
  • .11 x 156 = 17.16 ÷ 191.95 = 0.089 x 1000 = 89.4 mg Phos per 100 kcal
So, yes that is a good food for Phos! :-D :-D :-D I may have to get some. And I'm also glad to see that Tanya's has now listed carbs on their updated list! YAY! Remember though, if you look at the carbs on Tanya's list it will be different from how we discuss carbs here because we use Dr. Lisa's list and that is ME.

It took me a week of studying Dr. Lisa's articles to understand the differences in the way nutrition is reported and to use her calculations. Here's what I understand about the differences:
  • Guaranteed Analysis: -- is what AAFCO requires to be put on cans, but since some numbers are maximum and some minimum, they can't be used to calculate carbs, which are not required to be listed and are what we really need to know. Moreover, Phosphorus is listed as a minimum when it is included and who cares about that, we need to know the maximum! :roll:
    As Fed: -- actual results of the food being analyzed, I think they have to do it twice a year. Some of the better companies will actually post this on their websites, otherwise you have to call and talk to an operator who really doesn't understand what you are asking for.
    Dry Matter: -- What is left after dividing the As Fed numbers by what remains after the Moisture is subtracted. Subtract the As Fed Moisture from 100 and what is left is the solids contained in the food (Total DM). Divide each of the As Fed nutrient numbers by the Total DM number for the DM for each of the nutrients.
    Metabolized Energy: -- This is how many calories come from protein, fat and carbs. There won't be a ME number for Phos because it has no calories. There are several more steps to calculate the ME but I'm stopping because it's making my head swim again! @-) I set all the formulas up on a SS so I wouldn't have to think about it every time!

p.s. My husband who is an engineer and former physics major helped me figure out all the equations for the SS. Especially getting the decimals right when converting to and from %. ohmygod_smile
 
Ann, yes the .50% was from Tanya's list....so thanks for correcting my calcs. That made a huge difference...I had read where people were saying that the Solid Gold was low in Phos. and most CKD Kitties liked it...so It does appear it would be a good choice to try. I'm going to order a case from Chewys...let me know if you would like for me to send you a few cans. Chewey's customer service is excellent! A couple of times I have orderd a case of food and kitties did not like it. I call them to return and they end up crediting my account for the cans and tell me to donate the not used cans to a shelter or rescue group. Now is that not terrific!

Thanks for explaining all the different ways nutrition is calculated in a way that I can understand it... You are AMAZING!

Tess's SS makes my head and whole body hurt ohmygod_smile
I can only imagine the work that must have gone in to this and for so many years...you are such a dedicated Mama ! Are you really Superwoman and been hiding that from us :-x
 
There are a few places around here that carry Solid Gold, I don't know if they have the Gourmet Cat though. What I've seen is the tuna. Even Petco is listed as having it so I'll call around here first.

i like Chewy too, Tess is just so fussy I don't dare by a whole case of anything!
 
Ann it's the Solid Gold Chicken Turkey White Fish and Liver one...if you can't find it let me know and I will send you some for Tess to try. Tell Daddy Bean I need him to come and train my husband ;-) Hope you have a great evening and thanks again for your very valuable information.
 
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