1/9 Zener PMPS 303;+2 325;~3 246;~5 211 vet report kidneys

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Anne & Zener GA

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Zener is fine this morning but his appy is a little iffy. I had to chase him around with the bowl. He did come and get me at +1.5 but then didn't eat very well. We will probably start back with the zantac tonight. We are waiting for senior panel results from the vet today. Paws crossed. I have meetings all morning. Ugh. Classes start next Monday. Double ugh. :lol: :lol:
Liz
 
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HI there! I hope all the report is good for Zener. I always think it's goofy when i chase my cat with his food. but i always do it. :lol: they must love having us do that trick! have a good day.. hope the meetings go well. xoxo mary and oliver
 
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GRAMS! HALP! MamaBean's being MEAN and CRUEL and HEARTLESS tu me! She's makin' me stand in da rain til I go potty but I iz a stubburn Pug an I ain't gonna go! Oh she beez so mean tu me, I iz so sweet I meltz in dat stuff....HALP, PLEASE, OH HALP!!! Even my sad luks don' wurk, she jus sez 'go poop'....

Silly pug....

NICE numbers this morning Mr. Z even if it's not quite green. Eat your foods sweet boy!

HUGS!
 
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Hi guys .. sorry to hear about the lack of appetitie .. hoping the zantac kicks in for you .. and hoping the test results all come back looking good too .. sorry to hear about the meetings and classes :sad: have a great day guys!
 
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Morning guys sorry about the appy issues, hope the zantac will help with that. Paws crossed for good tests results. Sounds like things are busy over there, have a great day!
 
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AnneBean here, Liz is deep in dull as dirt "welcome back" university meetings, about as fun as having your anal glands expressed. :lol: :lol: :lol: Zener is hanging in the blues this morning and his appy has picked up considerably so he is on track with his usual morning fuds.

@Mary & Oliver - chasing with the food bowl is more often an AM game so Liz has to do this more, it can be very stressful as I am sure you know. nailbite_smile Appy is now happy, so all is well in ZenerLand.

@KT - oh my, Pug poo trauma. Shall we send the poo patrol? They could expand their skills to dog poo as well. :lol: :shock: :lol:

@Devon - I went ahead and gave the mighty Z his Zantac dose @+3, and no problems with pill pocket rejection. :smile:

@Michelle & Scrabble - appy is back on track now, just lagging early in the cycle which is of course, the most critical time. :roll: He seems a little sore in his hind quarters, most likely from the anal gland expression, and that usually lasts about a day.

We are anxiously awaiting word from the vetty on the test results today, well, the beans are anxiously awaiting. Zener is napping. ;-)
 
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Looks like a nice day for Zener! Too bad Liz is stuck in all those meetings. I'm glad Zener's appy has picked up today, and that he took his pill pocket like a champ! Anxious to hear his lab results. Too funny he doesn't care one bit.
 
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Fingers crossed for good lab reports!

Classes start over here on Monday, too. I think I was in deep denial about the semester's start and am now scrambling to get everything ready. Oops! Enjoy the last few days of break!
 
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Nice on the happy appy now, paws crossed he keeps on w/ the gentle slide. Z-man, you are the SlideMeister, you need to show all the other kitters just how to do it, nice and slow and right into the Lagoon. Waiting to hear the Lab results, paws crossed.

I hear you on chasing around w/ the food dish! We are pretty lucky w/ preshot appy, but later especially at night Tess doesn't enjoy being woken up and told to eat! cat(2)_steam
 
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A really nice day for Zener, and sorry about his appy. Sending appy vines. Paws crossed for good results on senior blood panel.
 
Re: 1/9 Zener AMPS 127;+1.5 186;+4 114;+6 135 vet report kid

We just got the report from the vet on Zener's bloodwork and urine test yesterday. Here is what she sent to us. Any input or suggestions are much appreciated.
Liz


Couple of issues:

1. BUN is 42 (normal range 15-34)
CREA is 1.8 (normal range 0.8-2.3)

So this means the BUN is elevated.
This can mean that Zener is dehydrated or that the kidneys are having some dysfunction.
We determine this by checking the urine specific gravity (USG):


Zener's urine specific gravity is 1.014
In light of the elevated BUN if the kidneys are normal the USG should be >1.040

This means that Zener is having some kidney dysfunction that is causing him to lose fluid
through the kidneys.

The urine did not show infection at this time - sometimes kidney infection can cause this and
still not show up in the urine so Ultrasound of the kidneys and urine culture can be helpful.

I know that you are going to do some research on kidney dysfunction so how about you do
your research and then let me know what questions you have about what we can do to manage this
issue.

Some examples are: sq fluids at home, oral benazapril, oral calcitriol, kidney diet, etc
 
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Kidney infections do not always show up in urine cultures and are notoriously hard to diagnose. You would need a pyleocentesis (US guided needle into the renal pelvis) vs. a cystocentesis to get a urine sample that would be more definitive. (The cysto will only tell you about a lower urinary tract infection, not a kidney infection.) A US may be as informative but won't specify the appropriate antibiotic.

This is from an interpretation of lab values for elevated BUN + normal creatinine + low USG:
The Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN) is elevated. This is a by-product of protein metabolism that is cleared by the kidneys. The other kidney blood value, Creatinine, is normal, but the urine is dilute (which could be a sign of kidney disease). This is an unusual situation to see, but possible causes of this finding, besides kidney insufficiency, are pyometra, prostatic disease, hypoadrenocorticism (Addisons Disease), or an electrolyte imbalance that leads to excessive fluid loss, such as low potassium, sodium, or high calcium levels. Ketoacidosis or dehydration in the face of Diabetes Mellitus, Cushings Disease, or Diabetes Insipidus, could also cause this finding. This needs to be evaluated in respect to the other lab results and physical exam.
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You may want to get Zener's electrolytes checked. I also wonder whether this would all normalize if you gave him fluids or added more water to his food.
 
Re: 1/9 Zener AMPS 127;+1.5 186;+4 114;+6 135 vet report kid

Sorry to hear that Zener's kidneys might not be working as they should. Not a huge amount of knowledge here, but with 1 diabetic cat and 1 kidney failure cat, I do know a food to try that satisfies both the low carb and low phosphorous needs of both conditions.....Merrick's Cowboy cookout (available at PetCo). Also for my kidney cat, I've found that 1/4 pepcid daily does wonders for her appetite. Apparently when the kidneys are going, the stomach acid ramps up for some reason and they get terrible heartburn and or acid reflux.
Sending healing thoughts to Zener and hope the condition is only temporary.
On a side note. Are they sure the specific gravity issue isn't due to polydypsia from diabetes alone?
 
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Nice blues today for Zener. Sorry to hear the results of the report, but it's a start to an answer. I like how your vet knows you will be doing some research on kidney dysfunction, but probably doesn't know you have that great resource called Sienne. :-D
 
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Sorry to hear Zener's kidney values are off. Sending prayers this is only temporary and can be treated.
 
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Hi Anne & Liz,

I'm sure that you and your vet will get to the bottom of this and that it will all work out. Interesting that Zener's results are uncommon. We are keeping fingers and paws crossed that the care of this condition will be simple and effective.
In the meantime, slide on back down, Z Man!

Hugs from us,

Ella & Rusty
 
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Hi Anne and Liz, it sounds like your Vet is on top of things because you both noticed something was off with Zener and had him tested. I just went thru something similar with Mags a few months ago and had an ultrasound, but for different reasons. She's much further along in her kidney disease. The fluids really help Mags, and she does get a pepcid daily and is on a low phosphorus kidney diet. Sending many good vines for Zener.
 
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Sending good vines your way that the vet gets to the bottom of it. :YMHUG: Have a great night!!
 
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Zener is SO lucky to have such observant, on-top-of-it beans. Sending many prayers and vines your way. Glad to hear his appy picked up throughout the day!
 
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Sorry to hear that Zen Man may have a kidney issue, Praying for an easy fix for this!
I do give Moonie a pepcid everyday now, and it does clear whatever tummy issues she has--
Because you Know Thy Cat, you saw something wrong! That is the most important thing--
Healing Vines to our Fav BFF & her beans--Hugs & Big Love to you all!
 
Re: 1/9 Zener AMPS 127;PMPS 303 vet report kidneys

Sorry to hear about the renal values, but this is still very early stages. Zener's results are very similar to Tess's, her Creatinine is up near the top of normal though.

One thing to remember is that cats on a high protein diet often have higher BUN values just due to the fact that there is more protein to process compared to the inappropriate conventional diets. When the standards were set most cat were being fed dry food and it isn't clear what the diet was for the cats studied to set the standards. Do you have "Your Cat" by DR. Hodgekins? There is a good explanation there.

When we first got similar results for Tess our vet also suggested Calcitriol. It can have some side effects that are difficult to manage. I can send you a copy of what I found out. It isn't the first thing I would try to manage Phosphorus. BTW, you didn't mention the Phos levels. That is really important when dealing w/ kidney disease. We decided to limit the phos in her food first and within 3 months she had dropped a full point. Phos binders are another way to go, Marje has lots of info on that.

If you want to see Tess's labs they are on a tab on her SS. I also have a list of LC/ low Phos foods that she can eat in another tab. Many raw food are really low Phos, but not all.
 
Re: 1/9 Zener AMPS 127;PMPS 303 vet report kidneys

J.D. has pretty close to the same numbers.
BUN 50
Creatinine 2.2
...so a little higher than Zener's
and J.D. has a USG of 1.022?
and normal phosphorus.

My vet said as long as his phosphorus is not high, I shouldn't worry about it. And the last time I saw the vet, he said the BUN may be high because of the food J.D. eats.

So, there's a few of us in the same boat.
 
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