1/9 Slashy - Seizure PMPS 289

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Slashy & Rick

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We were having a good day... I was taking a nap..Slashy was sleeping on my legs. Seizure began.. Luckily Sue (wife) was quick to bring maple syrup, which worked within seconds (less than 10 for sure, maybe 5). Whole thing lasted about 30 seconds and was very scary. Called vet who was kind of suprised as his numbers werent THAT low. She told me to call her after PMPS test. Suggessted we cut the dose, at least for tonight. Very afraid he has had these when we arent home. FYI..the 221 was less than 5 minutes following the event.

Any advice, thoughts or experience would be appreciate!!

Rick
 
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hi guys

wow, I'm sorry you went thru that!
I checked your SS, at what + hour was that? in between the blues?
 
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Ronnie & Luna said:
hi guys

wow, I'm sorry you went thru that!
I checked your SS, at what + hour was that? in between the blues?
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It happened at +8 almost on the minute.
 
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Ronnie & Luna said:
hi guys

wow, I'm sorry you went thru that!
I checked your SS, at what + hour was that? in between the blues?
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Hey Ronnie! It happened at +8 almost exactly.
 
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The seizure could have been caused by something other than low BG if his levels weren't that low. I would doubt that a seizure would occur unless Slashy's numbers were substantially below 50. I would certainly plan on getting Slashy in to see the vet soon to make sure there's nothing else going on.

The maple syrup would not bring numbers up to 221 within minutes. For this to be purely hypoglycemia, I'm guessing Slashy would have to have been in the 30s, if not lower, unless his body is very acclimated to higher numbers. Usually, it takes at least 5 - 10 min. for HC, even a simple sugar, to start to have an effect. (It's why we tell people to wait 15 - 20 min. after giving HC to test.)
 
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k, and where are u now (+ hours)? til PMPS.

I'm hoping you'll get some eyes on what could of caused this other than hypo.
Glad you had those checks in earlier!
How did he react after he got syrup? alert?

how is Slashy doing now?
will you be able to get him in for a check up if needed?
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
The seizure could have been caused by something other than low BG if his levels weren't that low. I would doubt that a seizure would occur unless Slashy's numbers were substantially below 50. I would certainly plan on getting Slashy in to see the vet soon to make sure there's nothing else going on.

The maple syrup would not bring numbers up to 221 within minutes. For this to be purely hypoglycemia, I'm guessing Slashy would have to have been in the 30s, if not lower, unless his body is very acclimated to higher numbers. Usually, it takes at least 5 - 10 min. for HC, even a simple sugar, to start to have an effect. (It's why we tell people to wait 15 - 20 min. after giving HC to test.)
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I most definately will get him to the vets very soon. I said the same thing to the vet, who said the same thing you did (very aclimated to high numbers) The syrup did have a near immediate effect however.
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
The seizure could have been caused by something other than low BG if his levels weren't that low. I would doubt that a seizure would occur unless Slashy's numbers were substantially below 50. I would certainly plan on getting Slashy in to see the vet soon to make sure there's nothing else going on.

The maple syrup would not bring numbers up to 221 within minutes. For this to be purely hypoglycemia, I'm guessing Slashy would have to have been in the 30s, if not lower, unless his body is very acclimated to higher numbers. Usually, it takes at least 5 - 10 min. for HC, even a simple sugar, to start to have an effect. (It's why we tell people to wait 15 - 20 min. after giving HC to test.)
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rick, i'm so sorry you and slashy went through this.
i'm inclined to agree with sienne. slashy wouldn't be 221 five minutes after the event if the the seizure was due to a hypo with symptoms.
this sounds very strange to me. if it were me, i'd have him checked out by a vet ASAP. something else could very be going on here... totally unrelated to diabetes.
 
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Ronnie & Luna said:
k, and where are u now (+ hours)? til PMPS.

I'm hoping you'll get some eyes on what could of caused this other than hypo.
Glad you had those checks in earlier!
How did he react after he got syrup? alert?

how is Slashy doing now?
will you be able to get him in for a check up if needed?
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He came out of the seizure within seconds of the syrup. I gave him some food shortly after and he acted just like his piggy self. Been resting until now, when I tested him (347). I can take him to the vets tomorrow.
 
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Rick,
I know you don't do evening testing, I would highly recommend keeping an eye on him of course, when you're home, and test if you feel you need too, ok?
You know him best, if doesn't feel right, test him ok?
See what your vetty suggests as well when you get in touch with them.
keep us posted if you can, and I'm hoping for the best for you guys!
 
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keep an eye on him, k? looking at the numbers... this does not appear to be a seizure due to a hypo. a hypo is always possible, but it just doesn't seem to fit. any chance you can have him looked at today in case this is a non-diabetes related event?
 
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Jill and I are thinking along the same lines. There are all sorts of things that can cause a seizure -- the development of a seizure disorder, metabolic imbalance, throwing a clot, tumor, etc. My GA civvie had 2 seizures. He was elderly and not medically well and they were isolated events but nonetheless, scary. Just like with humans, it doesn't take long for a cat to get back to normal post-seizure.

To be honest, Slashy being "used to " higher numbers is a real long shot when it comes to a seizure. If that were a common explanation, a lot of our cats would be having seizures shortly after beginning insulin.

I really want to encourage you to camp out on the vet's doorstep tomorrow morning at the very latest and see if you can begin to sort out what happened.
 
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We will be at the Vets at 8:30 tomorrow,for sure.

Thank you all for your thougths and concern!!!! xxoo
 
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Hey all... question I want to throw out... I agree completely that his BG is very high for an episode, but it does it seem like quite a coincidence that he came out of it moments after getting the syrup?
 
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hmm, not really sure about that.
really hope it goes well at the vets and you can get some definite results with lab work, examination etc.
 
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HI Rick. I had a Maine Coon that had a seizure. It was very fast and over with in less than a minute. If I had done something (like give syrup) I might have thought it was a help. But in my case it would have meant nothing. My kitty recovered immediately and acted just fine. My ex-vet told me that I must have imagined a seizure since he didn't see anything wrong with my cat.

There is no way to know for sure if Slashy was hypo and the syrup helped but it might have been a coincidence. I'm just throwing that out there.

Please see your vet and discuss this carefully. Have the vet check the heart very carefully too.
My kitty did not survive the second seizure several months later. (Hence the EX-vet.)
 
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yes and no.

if the seizure was caused by something else... it could have simply ended. administering syrup may have not mattered at all.

what i find very, very strange is that his BG number was 221 five minutes after the episode. a cat just doesn't shoot from low numbers and a symptomatic hypo to 221. i've never seen anything like that before. doesn't mean it didn't happen. it just means it would be very, very strange for it to have happened like that.

*usually* after karo/syrup is administered to a low number you'll see the numbers rise a little, not a lot... nothing like 200 points.
that's what makes me think this is something other than a hypoglycemic episode.

glad you're taking him to see the vet. i'm sure your vet will get to the bottom of this...
 
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Slashy & Rick said:
Hey all... question I want to throw out... I agree completely that his BG is very high for an episode, but it does it seem like quite a coincidence that he came out of it moments after getting the syrup?
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Hi Rick, seizures are very scary things to have and witness. As an epileptic myself I can tell you there are different kinds of seizures that have different kinds of affects. A seizure shouldn't last more than a few seconds to a few minutes. And then the patient will go into a postictal phase where they will most likely sleep...very deeply. So, if Slashy does go to sleep tonight and doesn't move...it is OK. Don't panic, it is just the body's way of healing. Seizures are what I call brain storms or in my case I say I hit the 'reset' button.

I am sorry to say I don't think the syrup had anything to do with stopping his seizure. He most likely came out of it naturally, like most people with seizure disorders do.

He will need to see the vet for a neurological workup. If he continues to have seizures this evening...I would get him to an ER. Sequential seizures could indicate a potential clot, tumor or status.
 
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Wow. Thank you all for the responses. I will share all w/ the vets tomorrow, first thing in the am.
 
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Blue said:
Sequential seizures could indicate a potential clot, tumor or status.
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What Beth (Blue) was referring to as "status" doesn't mean status quo. She's referring to status epilepticus -- it's a series of sequential seizures that is continuous unless there is medical intervention. It can be very, very dangerous. It's also relatively rare.
 
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(((((Rick))))) (((((Sue))))) (((((Slashy)))))

I'm sorry you went through this. I would have been terrified. Good information from Sienne, CD, and Beth, though. I'm especially glad Beth posted about the deep sleep afterward. I would not have known that, so now if it happens you'll know it's not unusual.

I'm glad you're going to the vet tomorrrow.
 
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Hi, I used to have a cat who had seizures & it was very scary - very.
This cat did not have Diabetes though, I will be curious as to what the vet says (((Slashy)))
Hopefully you can keep the kitty around an area where it will not hit the head when having a seizure if it happens again, mine would always go under the bed & then bump its head :YMSIGH:
 
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Nothing to add but just wanted to let you know I hope the vet is able to identify what happened to Slashy. I also had a cat, nondiabetic, who had a seizure out of nowhere when she was 7....over quick; never happened again and she lived to be 18. They did not know what caused it.
 
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