1/31 Ruben amps 382 +4.5 126 +7 60 wont eat help

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they want to hospitalize him if he doesnt eat, i worry they wont help, especially from what i've been learning here. i have call them back around 3
ive tried tuna h20, gravy lovers, fnacy feast, his original food newmans organic, bb food, only thing he would eat is a temptations treat. but cant feed him that.
im sick over this
 
Re: 1/31 Ruben amps 382 +4.5 126 wont eat help

Hi guys .. I'm sorry Ruben is not wanting to eat for you .. I don't know his history at all, I take it this is uncommon for him? Has he been to the vet recently to check for any problems, bad teeth? I don't have any experience with this myself, but I know some people on here have done assisted feeding with syringes at home, and also sometimes a feeding tube is needed .. Hang in there .. hopefully others stop by soon ..
 
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I didn't see KFC on your list of tried options.... some cats love that ....

and there is a liver shake recipe here somewhere... i'll go look for it.... many cats will eat that....
 
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THE '~LIVER SHAKE~' FOR SICK CATS
This liquid food is appropriate for cats suffering from conditions where they are eating very little or not at all such as anemias, leukemias, deficiency states with symptoms of lethargy, listlessness, and weakness.

1 cup RAW LIVER (BEEF, or CHICKEN)
1 cup FRESH CARROT JUICE or V-8, or Tomatoe Juice
1/4 cup *FRESH FILTERED WATER
1 RAW EGG YOLK
1 tsp.KELP POWDER OR SPIRULINA


COMBINE AND MIX IN A BLENDER UNTIL LIQUEFIED. (Note: it will be frothy)

Dosage:Administer 10cc daily 3-6 times a day. (6Occ per day max)

Some cats will need to be force-fed with a syringe, while others will drink it out of a bowl.

This food has a sweet and salty taste, and the energetic properties of tonifying (energy boosting), warming and stimulating and supports the kidneys, spleen, liver and stomach.

This drink is a complete dinner for a sick cat until they feel good enough to eat by themselves again.

*Substitute rice water if the cat has diarrhea. Rice water
is made by boiling white rice (2 Tbsp) with water (1cup) for 30 minutes.
This liquid aids digestion and assimilation and inhibits the symptoms of diarrhea.
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Re: 1/31 Ruben amps 382 +4.5 126 wont eat help

Sam,
This is contrary to "normal".... but he needs to eat, and if he will eat dry food, give him some.

Others might disagree, but I think we're bordering on desperate here.

Carl
 
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I agree. Feed him whatever he will eat. And talk to your vet about pancreatitis.
 
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Sam

I have been watching your posts. Please take Ruben back to the vet. He needs to get some food into him. Most likely he has pancreatitis and could possibly be in liver failure at this point. It is imperative they get something into him. Have them check him for pancreatitis and liver issues please. They may need to put a feeding tube into him. If the vet has no clue about any of this take him to an emergency vet. They have given him pain meds, appetite stimulant, anti nausea and nothing is working, he may need to be hospitalized.

Terri
 
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kfc, is not an option for me- not trying to convert anyone honesly but if you want to know why im so adimit about it go to kfccruelty.com. im not big on sacrificing one animal for another(tho ruben is the exception, but kfc is that bad that i cant do it) i will try the the liver shake but it will mean i have to throw away my blender but i will try. i cant drive at the moment. he doesnt even want his dry either.
i have a feeling their gonna want to hospitilize him. sigh, worried about that. i know their capable but compared to what you guys know and what they do, they seem behind on the knowledge. just tested for ketones and that was negaive. vet is ganna call me at 3 and ill prolly have to make a decision on wether to admit him or keep him. i dont know how much or what else to do. i can syringe feed him but that still doesnt fix what the problem is,
 
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Ok so grill a piece of regular chicken and try that while you are waiting for the vet to call. I do think though that being hospitalized will be the best for him to at least get him through this.
 
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Sam,
Can you test him again to see if he's still dropping?
Carl
 
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Sam

Yes....syringe feed him...get as much in him as you can. While it doesn't address the issue of what is Wong, it could keep other issues...like fatty liver disease...from developing. And also...he needs food if you are giving him insulin.

I would definitely try the liver shake. There is also a prescription food called Max Cal that has alot of calories but is not high in carbs. You can see if the animal hospital has it. It's made by IAMS and you can make it into a slurry and syringe feed. You can also use a/d which I'm sure your vet has. The main issue with a/d is it does not have nearly the calories that Max Cal has. At this point, we need to go for calories as much as possible but anything you can get into him will help regardless of carbs.

Please let us know and keep us posted. If they want to hospitalize him, ask what they are going to do to actually get FOOD into him. I think you are nearing the point where you either have to start getting alot of food in him via syringe or you need an etube. We have members that can help with that and there is a yahoo feline assisted feeding group as well. You might consider joining that as they are better versed in assist feeding.
 
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You said a while ago you would do anything for him. Anything. I think you even said you'd kill for him or something. So give him the KFC if he will eat it. He is in dangerous territory here and he needs to eat.

then make a big donation to a chicken charity or something.
 
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Sam,
I need you to focus on the moment.

Please test his BG as soon as you can. If he drops lower, you'll need to slow things down. Karo might be your only option.
And he may need to go to the vet before 3pm

Carl
 
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i cant drive to get the liver or eggs, i tried syringe feeding, that didnt go great but got 2 syringes full in (6ml)
im leanign to bringing him back, at least if something is wrong he'll be in the right place or so i hope, im so confused. i keep worring about his emotions about being there and im worring that will cloud the right decsion. hell be scared and miserable there, espescially since all he want is his mama
what woudl you guys do,
marje, carl? would you take him?
i mean he seems better than yesterday, mi9nus the not eating, but htats prolly the pain meds
 
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should i bring him now i did get some food in him mostly watered down but think i should go,
 
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Put a few drops of karo on your finger and rub it on his gums or the roof of his mouth. And test again in 15 minutes.
Carl
 
And get him ready for a ride to the vet.

Are these tests on your alpha track?
 
Rub the karo.

Call the vet and let them know you're coming.

Bring some karo in a syringe with you.

Drive safely.

Can you post from your phone when you get there?

Carl
 
Sam

A 60 on an AT is too low. He needs to go to the vet.

Carl
 
so here we are again, back home, they are gonna give him another 24 hrs to see if he eats. they took blood and sending that out, ill have result tomorrow. they did not test for pancreatiis since essentially their treating him for it anyway. it was $115 test plus 65 for blood and 65 for visit, i am honestly out of money and now on credit cards. vet said she felt comfortable not testing for pancreatitus b/c of our course of treatment in order to save money to put towards a feeding tube if he does end up needing one.
i put out a buffet for ruben and he did go over to his newman organic (not dc friendly, but eff it, just want him to eat) i measured 1/3 and will re measure in an hour to see how much he eats. looks like he took just a couple bites but hey its a start.
so its a waiting game for now. they said do not give insulin tonight and not to in the am if he does not eat. i have an appt tomorrow at 10am. thank you for the prayer and the vines
you guys have been so supportive and loving. so nice to not feel completely alone. thank you. i not only ask for prayers or even a candle lit tonight for ruben, but ive said it before i really believe thoughts become reality so i ask one last thing of all you here, please please manifest and see in your minds eye ruben eating tonight. just have that faith and knowing that he will eat. Its getting harder and harder for me to be positive and manifest good things b/c im over come with concern and worry and my mind keeps going down the wrong path of thought. i am going to work on that myself tonight. i have to stop thinking the worst and playing the what if game. i, we, have to know ruben is going to eat and be okay. he has to be. i, for ruben, have to get it together myself. i havent showered or even brushed my teeth in 3 days (ewe lol) but im paralyzed with worry. so my plan is to actually try to eat, pick up house, shower, shave<lol brush teeth and maybe that will wash this negative energy off me.
if you all didnt think i was crazy b4 im sure you do now....lol in all honesty i probably am a bit crazy but i assure you its in the most innocent and good natured way.
im just a girl who loves her cat more than even i thought was possible.
i love you guys. thank you. i will be on here all night checking and posting numbers as i check.
 

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Sam

Thank you for the update. I think I agree with the vet's plan. Did they say what they are testing for with that blood?

Don't drive yourself nuts with testing tonight. As long as he isn't getting more insulin, his numbers should be okay. Did they check his BG at the vet? The 60 you saw was low, like I stressed earlier. I'm guessing it's higher now, and should stay in safe numbers (and if they go high, well so be it).

Let him cruise the buffet and see if he finds anything he likes.

Then take some "you time". Soak in a bubble bath instead of a quick shower. Sit him in your lap and listen to some mellow music. I dunno, just de-stress tonight.

Carl
 
If you are crazy for worrying than I am too. ( I barely slept the first 60 days after dx with all the worst thoughts )

Try to take care of yourself too.
Paws crossed that Ruben is just not liking his new food choices and will eat from his buffet today. I am seeing it in my own mind. :-D

and maybe this will help.
shopping list of foods less than 10%


Hugs!
 
(((Sam))) I was waiting until Marje and Carl and more people saw your update before posting. It is obvious how much you love Ruben. I love that pic of you and Ruben, so adorable. We are sending tons of healing vines, love and prayers for Ruben to come around and start eating and responding to the treatment. I am also visualizing Reuben around this amazing buffet table, yum.
Good advice there from Uncle Carl :-D on the bubble bath and de-stressing. Please remember to take care of yourself.
 
Sam

Sending prayers that Ruben will eat. I sure hope he gets to feeling better. At this point I would try to feed him Whatever he will eat, don`t worry if its diabetes friendly or not he just needs to eat. Will be watching for updates.

Terri
 
{{Hugs}} to you both! It sounds like Ruben is fine at the moment, so go give yourself at least an hour of pampering and give your brain a break! Force yourself to think of nothing else but the motions of said pampering. If you find yourself thinking about Ruben, STOP and think about the toothpaste you're putting on your toothbrush or the amount of bubbles in your bubble bath. Heck, even start counting those bubbles if it helps you take your mind off things for a moment. :lol:

RubenTheCat said:
so here we are again, back home, they are gonna give him another 24 hrs to see if he eats. they took blood and sending that out, ill have result tomorrow. they did not test for pancreatiis since essentially their treating him for it anyway. it was $115 test plus 65 for blood and 65 for visit, i am honestly out of money and now on credit cards. vet said she felt comfortable not testing for pancreatitus b/c of our course of treatment in order to save money to put towards a feeding tube if he does end up needing one.
i put out a buffet for ruben and he did go over to his newman organic (not dc friendly, but eff it, just want him to eat) i measured 1/3 and will re measure in an hour to see how much he eats. looks like he took just a couple bites but hey its a start.
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I wanted to pre-emptively try to alleviate any fears or anxiety you might have regarding a feeding tube. It is not as bad as it sounds and I sometimes think vets aren't as proactive with them as they should be (not in your case, but in general). My previous cat had hepatic lipidosis and required a feeding tube for a few months. He was never bothered by the tube and he would purr with contentment during feedings. When he started eating on his own again and it was time to remove the tube, I was able to do so myself and the hole closed up within a few hours. So, hopefully this will help you not feel so worried IF this becomes necessary. But it won't because Ruben is going to start eating again for you. :-D
 
he just took about a tbsp worth of food on his own, not enough but its a start. all of our positive focus is gonna work. keep manifesting gang. God is good.
Carl-how can I truelly express my gratitude? THANK YOU. Jen just contacted me, that a whole other stress that I've been not dealing with and now theres hope.
"The road that is built in hope is more pleasant to the traveler than the road built in despair, even though they both lead to the same destination.”
I love you guys. Ruben is worth all you prayers and vines i promise
 
for the liver shake, if you don't want to use your blender you can get this at Wal-Mart: Oster MyBlend You can blend up to 20 ounces in it and have that bottle be just his. They even sell separate bottles that come with their own blade attachment, so you could have one color bottle/blade assembly that's his and another color that's yours. It looks like they have some cheaper brands of individual blenders too.
 
I hope Ruben is eating :) and that you have calming thoughts. He is in good hands--his Momma sure loves him! I prayed for you & Ruben & the vet. You'll be in my prayers tonight as well. :YMHUG: Luke 1:37
 
Carl-how can I truelly express my gratitude? THANK YOU. Jen just contacted me, that a whole other stress that I've been not dealing with and now theres hope.
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There is always hope, Sam. Sometimes it just needs to find you.
The network of people here, and what they all do for the kitties and for the beans, is a truly miraculous thing. Bob becoming diabetic was literally a blessing in disguise. I didn't understand that until long after his last shot of insulin.

Carl
 
Sending eating vines to Ruben.
Keep possitive thoughts and keep imagining him eating (what he sounds like, looks like, and how it maks you feel).
You'll get through this. ;)
 
(((Sam)))

I've been one of the many following your posts, too. I've been thinking about you and Ruben, and visualizing Ruben eating and you getting some R & R. I'm glad Ruben ate a little earlier.

You are already taking good care of Ruben; now take care of you. Be gentle and kind to yourself. I like Carl's idea of a bubble bath; relax, breathe, paint your toenails, watch mindless tv, breathe some more, and try to get some sleep tonight.

Sending love your way! :YMHUG:
~Josie (& Ripley)
 
unbelievable....i am truelly blessed. i truelly believe god is listening(especially since i never pray and ask for things for myself-til now) i also believe all your visualiztion is making a difference. i prayed for help when i found out, and i was led to you.
he just ate another couple bites i'd say a total of maybe a half can of food.
is that enough to maybe buy him another 24hrs to see if it works to even more?
they said not to dose him and to bring my insulin with me, what should i do if they say to give him his shot, cause say his numbers are high. should i let them give him his shot? and do you think i can give him another day to see if his appitite comes back fully?
really dont want to do the feeding tube, i will if its best but he seems a tiny bit better and tomorrow he woudl be due for his food stimulant tomorrow, which im hoping might make a difference?
feeling a bit better. showered, shaved, teeth clean. and just keep saying theres no reason why he cant turn around. we're doing it gang
keep up the good work. he's eating the gravy lovers mostly (just a few bites) bu better than nothing i figure.
i love you guys, you arenot just helping ruben but me as well, vision completely back and now only my pinky finger is icy instead of my whole arm.
love you guys
 
Oh Sam

Just glad to hear he is eating something. Please feed him whatever he will eat. Put a buffet out if you have to. Whatever it takes. Eating vines for Ruben.

Terri
 
Sam,

I'm sorry, but I missed where you said that your vet had recommended skipping insulin tonight. I'm afraid I have to disagree with your vet. Skipping insulin in a sick, inappetant cat can create serious problems. Diabetic ketoacidosis is a very serious complication and it can come on suddenly. The "formula" for ketoacidosis is insufficient insulin + insufficient calories + infection. It nearly killed Lucy.

If Ruben was my cat, I would give the insulin and then do anything in my power to make sure he had enough calories in him to counteract the insulin and prevent ketones. That will probably mean syringe feeding every 2-3 hours through the night. Focus on calories and fluids - add plenty of water to the food to make it loose enough to push through a syringe, because the extra water will also help ward off ketones. There is a good yahoo group devoted to assisted feeding, and I'm sure someone can provide a link to some good instructions.

Sorry, I know this is different advice than others have given, but my opinion is that you need to keep giving insulin, and do whatever it takes to get the food in. Don't give up! Cats can pull through all this, with our help.
 
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