1/28 BooBoo-Need help deciding which food schedule to do

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Well folks, I guess I did it again, but looks like this time I pretty much got NONE in her... It's 2am here and I am sooo tired, but sooo worried at the same time.

I am planning BooBoo's curve today and was wondering if y'all thought it would be okay to shoot a half hour early so I can get into a better time schedule for the upcoming school semester? Since I got pretty much an all fur shot by the looks of it, I was thinking that might be okay. That way I would start her at 8:30 am instead of 9am...

Ok so hope to hear some feedback. Prob gonna try to get some sleep now, but i'll be back later, or earlier however you look at it... :)
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo pmps 379, +5-345. Definite fur shot?

generally, we suggest moving up shot times no more than 15 minutes, as an early shot has the effect of a dose increase. why not do 15 in the a.m. then 15 in the p.m.? or 15 this morning and 15 tomorrow morning? good luck!
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo pmps 379, +5-345. Definite fur shot?

Good morning guys .. sorry to hear about the furshot .. it happens to all of us ... as far as moving shot times up by 30 min, I do believe that would be ok with these higher numbers, but just have some others input first, ok? Try to relax and have a great weekend!
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo pmps 379, +5-345. Definite fur shot?

good morning! you were up late! hope you got some rest...

celi & binks
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo pmps 379, +5-345. Definite fur shot?

Morning! Here is the link to yesterday's condo: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35410

When we want to change the shot time, we can either move it by 15 minutes twice a day, or one half hour per day. So, you can shoot the half hour difference if you'd like. Especially with the higher numbers, it should be okay to do so!
Hope you have a good Friday!
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo pmps 379, +5-345. Definite fur shot?

Just wondering if it might not be better to do your curve on a day when you haven't just given a fur shot. BooBoo's shed will then be refilled and your bg numbers will be more accurate. See what others think about this.

Good luck,

Ella
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo pmps 379, +5-345. Definite fur shot?

I agree -- you can move the shot time by 30 min., especially given the higher numbers.

Sorry about the fur shot.
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo pmps 379, +5-345. Definite fur shot?

Ok so I posted a reply to you all this morning, but my computer doesn't seem to be able to get online today so I am using my phone instead.
Woke up late at 9, so I hopped outta bed, tested amps 485, yikes! So just tested again and got a 421 at +1. Pretty sure I got the whole shot in this morning, wondering if it would be better to do the curve tom cause of the pm fur shot last night?
Don't know how often I will able to come online today, service guy is coming out tom for my comp, but until then I gotta try to do this from my phone... Jeez, what a day already!
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo pmps 379, +5-345. Definite fur shot?

I would not do curve today. wait another 3 days would be my opinion. gotta build up to what was lost. happens
 
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dian and wheezer said:
I would not do curve today. wait another 3 days would be my opinion. gotta build up to what was lost. happens
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Her #'s are so high tho lately. Yesterday we did have a nice run in the blues for a while, but this is just too much for me. I'm starting to feel crazy. 5 hours sleep last night, 6 before, 6 before that. I don't do well on anything less than 8 hours, so i'm starting to lose it to say the least!

Think we'll see how today goes and maybe schedule it for tom or Sunday. I can't do Monday...
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo pmps 379, +5-345. Definite fur shot?

Also, looking at the #'s I am thinking a .25 increase might be in store for BooBoo, but i guess i need to do the curve first? I swear, I was doing okay with the Humulin and now I just am feeling discouraged...
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421. Fur shot last night :(

with the l's you know there is a shed. so if ya miss a shot or give a fur shot, you are depleting the shed and that needs to be built up again before you see a reaction to your dose. so just hang in there. I am not surprised there are higher numbers right now. \maybe someone with more knowledge will advise.
but for me, I would just hang in there and test for ketones as usual.
what is causing the fur shots? kitty moving. pulling out needle before you shoot. maybe we can help there
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421. Fur shot last night :(

I think it's just nervousness. I have watched LOTS of youtube videos on how to give the shot, but I guess I'm afraid I'm getting the muscle or whatever since I read that it's not the best to do the scruff because of possibly getting into the muscle but I have tried to "tent" the skin at other suggested areas but she HATES that and tries to bite me. She has NEVER likes having her sides, belly or legs pet or touched, so I am left with the scruff. Ever since I read that, that's when the fur shots started happening. I pull up the fur/skin on the scruff and then shoot in at the bottom closer to the body and not towards the top, right?
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421. Fur shot last night :(

------( does this look like a tent) lol . I shoot not from the side as this depicts but from the front. I will see If I can video from you.I shoot kind of in the middle. have no clue if I am doing it right but that is how I have always done it. best look it up myself and I have been doing it for years
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421. Fur shot last night :(

Stephanie: I rotate around....I shoot left side in the a.m. and right side in the p.m. I will do outside scruff, center scruff, and chest. I prefer not to "tent" like I do when I'm giving squids. Instead (and I know others, inc Jill do this), I pull up a good amount of fur/skin between my thumb and forefinger, and then I roll it towards her head to expose the skin...I make sure that I see skin and that I have it lifted up high enough that there is no way I will hit muscle. I put the needle in parallel to the spine but at a 45 degree angle. I've only given two fur shots...one early on because I was tenting and I goofed it and the other because Gracie decided to chase something and the needle just came out when she moved forward. I've always heard there is a greater chance of giving a fur shot with a flank shot....so just take a deep breath, take your time, be calm, see skin, and inject! TA DA! I also hold the plunger down pretty tight for 10 secs and then release but leave it in for a second and then pull it out. Of course...it helps that Gracie is an angel with all this. Good luck and let us know if you have other questions.
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421. Fur shot last night :(

Thanx, i will do some practice runs with pulling up the skin as you suggested before tonights shot.

Well I am feeling better now... BooBoo is back in the yellow, under 250 and now I think I am gonna take a nap since my stepfather just picked up my 3 year old for a playdate at their house! Woohoo!!! Rest time... I-)
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421. Fur shot last night :(

i GUESS THAT IS HOW i DO IT EXCEPT i PULL UP and roll to left or right side. so I suppose I am doin it right and I shoot into tent not under it
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421. Fur shot last night :(

Woohoo! 190 at +5! Gonna feed 'em lunch and THEN take a nap!
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421, +5 190

i pull up the skin behind or to the sides of the shoulder and rotate my shots there...left side, middle, right side. i do it while he's eating and he never even notices...
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421, +5 190

not sure if these will help but

video first
http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q270 ... 0_1621.mp4

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Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421, +5 190

Oh okay, so i've been going in from the side. Grabbing with my thumb and pointer and middle fingers and shooting on the side with where my thumb is... I will try some of the aboved mentioned ways to do it and see which I am most comfy with. Thank you all again for helping me once again! Such a newbie! Actually since BooBoo was dx last month on the 28th would that make this her 1 month anniversary?
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421, +5 190

My method, FWIW: I sit on Leo's left side (left side for Leo, right side for me because I'm facing toward his tail) and pinch up a flap of skin either in front of or behind his shoulder blades with my left thumb and middle finger. I start the pinch from his sides and draw up toward the center. In other words, pinch side to side, not front to back.

With my forefinger, I reach into the "tent" and feel for the teardrop-shaped hollow it makes in its center. I don't shoot until I find the hollow. Sometimes I have to probe around for it, especially if he's lying down or has his head turned to one side.I use my forefinger to mark it, slide my finger partially up out of the way, and shoot where my fingertip was a minute ago. The needle goes in parallel to his spine but at a right angle to his skin because the skin is pulled up vertical. If you're left handed, just switch sides and hands.

I've only missed once, and that was because he didn't like it when he felt the Lantus going in and lurched forward away from the needle.

If I'm doing it wrong, (still new), this would be a good place to tell me :smile:
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421, +5 190

:smile: the one in the stills is my late Spazzie. she loved attention so much she'd let me do anything to her

the one in the video is Mousie, my diabetic. obviously not as fond of attention. LOL!!
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421, +5 190

Hey! I just tried pulling up the fur and felt the tear shaped hollow! I think we are gonna have a great shot tonight!!!
 
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Great, Stephanie! It really works. Just make sure that needle goes in straight. One time (only once) I had it pointing off to the southwest and it came out on the other side (kind of like a straight pin) and almost jabbed myself in the thumb. I pulled it out and made a mental note to aim better from then on. :oops:
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

Hello again... Wondering if I have to feed before every shot? I fed the cats at 6:30pm and shot time is at 9pm and wanted to wait til a little later to feed, but i can feed BooBoo again seperately 5 mins before her shot tonight if need be. Hopefully i might get some input before I shoot in the next 25 mins...
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo amps 485, +1 421, +5 190

Cindy + Mousie said:
not sure if these will help but

video first
http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q270 ... 0_1621.mp4

100_0906.jpg

100_0898.jpg

100_0907.jpg
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I did it just like the photo!!! I am sooo shaky right now tho, even tho it went well I was sooo nervous. One more question when doing it like above... I really couldn't see the needle go in cuz all the fur, but I just gently pushed til I could no more. Am i doing it right? Also she didn't seem to mind it as much when i did it this way!!!
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

fantastic! and yes, you can do it like that.

back in the day when we used the syringes with longer needles on them, and if Mousie sat still, i could feel it pierce the skin so i knew i was in. of course, with the longer needles i also had to worry about going in and right back out the other side too if i weren't careful. LOL!! which i did a couple times for that matter.

with the shorter needles, i can still feel that most of the time but i generally do what you did, just push til it stops and hit the plunger
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

Yes... I am on my way and totally feeling more confident! Thank you sooo much!

Btw... Is that a tiara I spot on Mousie's head in your profile pic? Too Cute!!!
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

LOL!! she's not actually wearing one. somehow ages ago i managed to add that to her head on the computer somewhere. don't ask me how 'cause i am not into computers at all but no, she's not actually wearing it.

Mousie is a rescue i guess you could call her thus she's not too much into us humans. (she lived on the streets but was only about 4-5 months old when she got herself hurt and we trapped her)
prior to her diabetes diagnosis, i had never even touched her even though she had lived in my house for nearly 4 years before the diagnosis. so treating her in the beginning was a battle of wills but eventually she came around. occasionally she'll get on the couch and lay with me or i'll wake up and she'll be laying on me but i can't pick her up without a fight or anything like that so there's no way in hell she'd let me put something like that on her. i don't think she'll ever be a lap cat but she's come a long way given that way back when she lived under the bed for nearly a month, only coming out in the middle of the night to sneak some food. LOL!
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

Stephanie: In answer to your question about feeding, you want to try to test, feed, shoot within about 10 mins of each other. You also want to be sure that you do not feed within two hours of a PS test or you will possibly influence your PS test by a food number. So...no food between +10 and PS. It is important to feed around the time of the shot to offset the insulin when it kicks in. If your kitty doesn't want to eat before you shoot, it's ok as long as you get her to eat shortly after it. That's because lantus doesn't usually onset for a couple hours altho ECID. About 99% of the time, Gracie eats after her test and right before or as I am shooting. Once in a blue moon if she gets distracted, I'll test and shoot and then get her food in her pretty quick.
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

How long are the needles you're using? I had a heck of a time with the short needles feeling whether or not I was actually getting her or fur! I switched back to the 1/2" needles and have a much easier time of it.
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

Marjorie: Okay thanx... I do remember I think you saying in a previous condo those same directions, but with everything running through my head and all the new stuff I've been learning, I guess I forget some stuff. I knew it was definitely test, feed, shoot all in under 10 mins for the AM, but wasn't sure about PM. Okay, rescheduling food times again (sheesh!) cause if left to BooBoo she would prob eat like 6 cans a day!!! :shock:

Amanda: I was using the longer needles, but switched to the shorter ones cause I had problems going through both sides at the beginning and getting LOTS of fur shots. Back then that was good considering she was on 10u of Humulin N back then! nailbite_smile
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

Marjorie gave you good info.

Everything is the same regardless of whether it's AM or PM. I would not suggest feeding a full meal 2.5 hours before your pre-shot test. What you're essentially doing is feeding BooBoo a meal at +9.5. The food is coming at a point when BG levels are typically on their way back up -- there's less insulin to overcome the effects of food. What you may see is that your cat's PMPS numbers are higher than you'd expect due to the combination of food and the waning effect of the insulin. If you are feeding early in the cycle, the influence of food on BG level is offset by the effect of the insulin.
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

Sienne and Gabby said:
Marjorie gave you good info.

Everything is the same regardless of whether it's AM or PM. I would not suggest feeding a full meal 2.5 hours before your pre-shot test. What you're essentially doing is feeding BooBoo a meal at +9.5. The food is coming at a point when BG levels are typically on their way back up -- there's less insulin to overcome the effects of food. What you may see is that your cat's PMPS numbers are higher than you'd expect due to the combination of food and the waning effect of the insulin. If you are feeding early in the cycle, the influence of food on BG level is offset by the effect of the insulin.
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So I should feed at am shot time, pm shot time and just not 2.5 hours before pre shot test.
8:30am (shot Time), 11:30am, 4:30pm, 8:30pm (shot time), and a midnight snack would be okay when I start school? My Hubby will be home to feed at 4:30 and I will still be at school. Just trying to come up with a good feeding plan for when school starts back up again in about a week. BooBoo likes several small meals throughout the day rather than 2 big meals...
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

It's a huge learning curve in the beginning...but once you get into the swing of things, the info comes in easier to digest portions!
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

So I should feed at am shot time, pm shot time and just not 2.5 hours before pre shot test.
8:30am (shot Time), 11:30am, 4:30pm, 8:30pm (shot time), and a midnight snack would be okay when I start school? My Hubby will be home to feed at 4:30 and I will still be at school. Just trying to come up with a good feeding plan for when school starts back up again in about a week. BooBoo likes several small meals throughout the day rather than 2 big meals...
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Feeding several small meals is fine. You may need to evaluate whether the 4:30 (+8) feeding is working well. Sometimes, you just need to experiment with the food cycle. In many cases we suggest that you not feed after the nadir for the reasons I mentioned above. It may be that you will feed the bulk of BooBoo's food before +6 and just give a small snack at +8. Or, you may experiment and eliminate the +8 and see if there's a better response with your cat's numbers. This is one situation where every cat is different (ECID) and you will need to gauge what's right for BooBoo.
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

Even with the low carb wet food it makes that much of a difference?
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo Is it mandatory to feed before every shot?

Instead of feeding her today at 5pm (shot time still 9pm right now, so would have been +4) I just fed (+6.25) now cuz I just read your post and I thought well it's close enough to +6!? Anyway this is all so confusing and I wanna do the right thing for BooBoo. I wish there was a hard and fast rule for every cat, it would ease my obsessing mind!!!

I just don't want BooBoo to go to long between meals as well as the other cats too.

I'm trying to figure out a shot and feeding time that is gonna work out for me with my school schedule...
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo - And more q's about feeding...

Scheduling for shots can be hard. Then factor in how long you want to or can be around to monitor and then add in mini-meals. It creates headaches! Work it all in backwards -- which times are non-negotiable and then go from there. Also, think about a timed feeder. That may give you more flexibility for the snacks and/or mini-meals.
 
Re: 1/28 BooBoo - And more q's about feeding...

so now i'm thinking 6am, 11:30am(big meal, will be leaving for school and they won't eat aagin til BooBoo's shot time at 6pm, 6pm and around 11pm-12am so they don't have to go a full 12 hours with no food... I am trying to work out this schedule because otherwise my hubby doesn't get home til 4:30pm and as you said, I should prob not feed a big meal at the +8.

How often should you feed anyway? It seems like they want to eat about every 4-6 hours, I like to feed them all at the same time...

Originally I was gonna do the 8:30am feed time at shot time, 11:30am lunch time before i go to school, then hubby home at 4:30pm to feed, and then 8:30pm at shot time the another meal at like 12:00am.

Like you said my hubby could do a light meal like a half of a quarter of a 5.5 oz can? Or is that too much feeding? I only give a quarter of a can at a time but for the +8 hubby could do a half of a quarter?

Personally i would rather do 8:30 because i am not quite a morning person and 8:30am I can handle! But if you all think the 6am schedule is better, i guess I can try to pull that one off too. of course I am gonna have to go down in BooBoo's shot time schedule in little increments til we get to the desired time!
 
Hi,
I think your right to go with the 8:30 time. You need to work it around your schedule to try and keep things consistent!
 
I only fed at +6 today so i'm gonna see how her #'s are now and waited to feed again til shot time. Gonna see how her #'s are at this PS, and then tomorrow we will do the schedule I am thinking of with a light snack at the +8 and see how her #'s do and compare the 2 so i can make a more informed decision. The only reason I am trying to change it up is I read that you should feed cats like 2 meals a day, but I hate for them to be hungry for that long.

8:30 schedule would allow for 4 meals a day with a small snack at +8.

6am schedule would work out evenly to about 4 meals a day with the longest time between meals 6hrs and 30 minutes. My hubby liked that one, but he might have to give the shot once in a while in the pm if I am still at school or have to run any errands after school.

As you can see I'm driving myself nuts over here!!!
 
Stephanie: it's easy to get confused and obsess about it...we have!! So here's what alot of us do regarding feeding....we feed a portion at PS time (during the test, feed, shoot sequence), and then another one (minimeal) at +1, +2, and +3. Many give a snack, as Sienne said, around +5 or +6 just before the kitty nadirs. My Gracie is a diver so I give alot of her food upfront with the PS so for her, she gets .85 oz at PS, .42 oz at +1, and then .22 oz at +2 and +3; .26 oz at +5. If she is not sliding into low numbers and actually nadirs when she normally does (+6/+7), then any food I give her after her nadir and especially around +8/+9 keeps her from getting the double dip benefit of lantus. Not all cats get the double dip but Gracie does most of the time. That allows her to have a lower PS number especially at night when she is not influenced by the "dawn effect" which causes many cats to have higher PS numbers in the a.m. One thing Sienne has taught me is to pick a feeding schedule and stick with it. We've been feeding these same times for about 4 months now although I did change the quanities recently....but the time of feeding stayed the same. Consistency in feeding helps. The caveat is if your cat is dropping low, you need to use gravy and/or food and sometimes karo to steer her so that throws off the feeding schedule....you just gotta suck that up and move on.
 
I'm thinking that me doing the 6:00am schedule might be good cause I would be here around the time of her nadir before school in case anything was to happen. If I do the 8:30 schedule, even tho it is better for this sleepy head non morning person, I don't know if it the best choice for BooBoo because I would only be here 3 hours after the shot. I guess I need to do what is best for both of us instead of being a selfish sleepyhead. Besides everyone in my house but me is a morning person, maybe it is time for a change!
 
Our sleeping schedules have definitely changed. No more sleeping in like I used to on days off but I usually will get up, do all of Gracie's stuff and feed the civvies and go back to bed (btb) until the next feeding time. If I've been up with her most of the night, I might go btb twice on weekends....and I get naps whenever I can.
 
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