1/15 mocha pmps 135 +3 170

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WCR: mocha FINALLY had a nice night of numbers last night. They seemed to have carried over to this mornings amps.

We are still gathering research as far as making the switch to levemir (thanks for the offers of the pens Phoebe, and Carolyn) I'm just not sure if that is the way to go. A couple of people have questioned why we are doing the front loading with mocha, and someone questioned why we feed MC or HC when she's down into the 30's. Now I'm concerned that it isn't so much the lantus that isn't working right for mocha, it's how we are treating her numbers, are we holding her back? :YMSIGH: Why can't this be easy ...
 
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Nice amps preshot for Mocha!

I don't have any advice on the Lev. but please don't be so hard on yourself about Mocha's numbers. Front loading wasn't effective for Willow, in fact when I attempted it, he decided that he would refuse food altogether. He is free fed and that seems to work best for him at this point (it at least keeps him eating and with his history of DKA and not eating, I won't take any chances). He still has crazy numbers, but we do our best and he is a happy boy. I really do wish he didn't enjoy the roller coaster so much (he has crazy rises and falls at times, and also visits the red and black floors way more often than I'd like), but I have to remember to look at the whole cat and not just the numbers... and the whole cat is happy, purry, playful, feisty, loving, cuddly, full of personality and seems to generally enjoy life and definitely holds a very special place in mine. Willow has been OTJ before (for over two and a half years) and I'll admit it was great, but my ultimate goal is to have a happy, generally healthy, and comfortable kitty.... even if I have to spend the rest of his days giving him shots and watching out for a recurrence of Pancreatitis and Neuropathy.

Also, I'm not exactly sure what the question was in regard to feeding MC or HC for a 30... with Willow, I pull out the HC for anything under 40. At 40 I offer LC or a LC/HC mix first usually, unless he seems symptomatic (if symptomatic, we go straight to HC or Karo)... and then I retest 15 or so minutes later. If he drops, he gets HC or Karo... if he's risen but only a little, he gets a HC/LC mix (my version of MC).
 
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Devon:

I think you can filter out what is reliable info that you got on Health and what doesn't make sense. I am very skeptical of not feeding 30s or 40s with a cat on a long-acting insulin. If someone wants to experiment with that approach on their cat, so be it. I would never suggest that to someone else because I would never do that to Gabby for the obvious safety reasons.

Not everyone uses food to manipulate the curve. As you know, changing feeding schedules is a trial and error process and it may be time to re-think Mocha's feeding schedule. For the experienced Lev users, given the later nadir, front loading the cycle may be less of an issue than with Lantus.
 
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Great couple cycles for Mocha! I don't have the knowledge to really weigh in on your dilemma... Will send smart decision-making vibes your way to help you sort through the info and come to the correct conclusion for Mocha.

Have a great Saturday!
 
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Hi guys - I'm also learning from reading what others say about the food thing. I hope Mocha and you have a nice day and do something fun.
 
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nice amps, Miz Latte!

your beans will make the right choices for you, young lady...so help them out with good responses!
 
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Hi Devon. You know I can't advise. I just want you to know I care.
That's a very nice start to Miss Mocha's day. :-D
Hope you and Peter get a chance to do your Sat. errands. :smile:
 
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Well mocha decided to come down today instead of going up .. at least for now .. we fed her MC but only because we have to leave before to long and we don't want her to low.

As far as the levemir ... well, that's still up in the air .. I'm still gathering information .. Peter says half the time I can't make up my mind because I have too much information in my head .. He tends to be right .. but I still don't feel 100% about the change at this point .. so I still read on ...
 
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Beautiful day for Mocha. I've wondered the same thing, Devon, about the HCs but with Gracie (as Mocha maybe), she'll just keep going down if I don't give her something but she isn't good about holding reductions so I can't just reduce her. So we just try to keep her up a little higher than 50 so we can stay at a dose a little longer. I don't know if this is effective management or not. It's tough and you've been doing a great job. Hang in there...I'll be so interested in what you decide.
 
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PeterDevonMocha said:
Peter says half the time I can't make up my mind because I have too much information in my head ..
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing because I think Peter must have actually been talking about me!

I think you have been doing this for long enough to understand how Mocha responds to food. Personally, I wouldn't take a chance on not feeding 30s. It only takes a few minutes for 30s to turn into 20s and that is not a risk I'm willing to run with my own cat. I'm sure she would survive, cats' bodies are amazing and I know her overreactive liver would protect her, but why would I want to go there? Plus if you're trying to soften bounces, I'm not sure why it would make sense to purposely put her into situations that will make her bounce more.

I will say that if Mocha can keep stringing together days like yesterday and today, I wouldn't change a thing. (anti-jinx)
 
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Hi Devon - what a great day for Mocha. Really nice numbers. I am with Sienne and Libby - it's were it is at for me. Mannie is fed at the front of the cycle - I have found that it works best, as well as the carb feeding when he goes low into the 40's and 30'. I wish you luck!
 
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I don't think I would ever want to not feed my cat in the 30s ... it's to risky I think .. we have caught mocha as low as 24 without any symptoms but we definitely fed and we have fed in the 30s and most 99% of the time feed in the 40s .. I don't want her that low ..

Still impressed with mochas string of numbers but nothing to get excited about .. she seems to do this every once in awhile and then goes right back to her old routine .. but we'll see ...
 
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Hey you never know... they like to play with our emotions...! But this is very encouraging, so what the heck, be encouraged!!!!!!!
 
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