09/28 Fistuk hospital update

Thank you all for your prayers and love. It’s strengthening. I’m feeling heart broken.
The vet called with an US update.
Fistuk has acute bowl infection, chronic pancreatitis and early signs of CKD.
She prescribed only anti nausea. Is that right?
 
So sorry you and Fistuk are going through this, Shelly. If it does turn out that CKD is a concern, there is a super helpful interactive food database where you can dial in minimum-maximum values of phosphorous and carbs (and other elements) to find foods that will work for both conditions:

https://catinfo.org/chart/index.php

Chispa (who has FD + CKD) has done great on a diet from mostly Weruva and Soulistic brands.

Sending best vibes :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
If you did want to get food for diabetes and CKD
I see you can buy it at
What is the Best Shopping Store to Purchase Weruva Pates Online?
The answer is Ubuy Switzerland, where you can get weruva pates easily from the international market at very affordable prices.


BFF play chicken Checkmate
Protein 31%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 133%

BFF play chicken & turkey topsy turvy
Protein 32%
Carbs 5.20%
Phosphorus 134%

BFF play chicken cherish
Protein 31%
Carbs 4.90%
Phosphorus 132%

BFF chicken & turkey tiptoe
Protein 31%
Carbs 5.10%
Phosphorus 133%

BFF chicken duck & turkey take a chance
Protein 32%
Carbs 5.20%
Phosphorus 152%

BFF play chicken & lamb laugh out loud
Protein 31%
Carbs 5%
Phosphorus 152%

BFF play chicken & duck destiny
Protein 32%
Carbs 5.10%
Phosphorus 163%

BFF play chicken & beef best buds
Protein 33%
Carbs 5.30%
Phosphorus 175%

Don't know if your kitty likes pate but here is the list of the BFF line.
YOU WANT CARBS UNDER 10% AND PHOSPHORUS IDEALLY LOW 200's OR LESS

Also

https://www.amazon.com/Weruva-Focus...cphy=9003521&hvtargid=pla-1796056536677&psc=1

I know you can buy single cans of the BFF I listed at Petco, Petco, to see which ones your kitty likes , the Focused one not to sure
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With weruva foods
You want the metabolizable energy profile percentage of carbs to be less than 10%, and the phosphorus which Weruva lists in Minerals to be less than 250 mg per 100 cals. So you have to look at two different places in the Weruva charts.


You can even check out the soulistic pates
https://www.soulisticpet.com/pate
When you click in one of the flavors then click on
COMPLETE NUTRITIONAL INFORMATION (link to page)
and look at the same two places like on the weruva site
 
tiffmaxee said:
I’m not so sure he has CKD. It seems like the symptoms just don’t fit and if early he would not act sick. Did you bring a stool sample to analyze? It has to be very fresh. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
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When I’m there soon I’ll ask that they email me the results and I’ll post in the lab tab. When she said his kidney values are good I did ask then why did she conclude CKD. She said bc of the urine gravity. I admit that I’m so tired that I find it hard to hold thoughts in my brain and concentrate on what she’s saying. I will ask again.
she did say that the soft stool is not from CKD but the bowl infection that in terms of the kidney his not clinical yet.
What are the signs of CKD that I can ask and double check with her when I speak with her again tomorrow morning after she’s received w final results of the US
 
A links for you when you have time. A Primer On Pancreatitis
If he has an active Pancreatitis flair, and the sore sides sound like it, you also need pain relief. Read the link to see if any of the other symptoms fit too,

For the urine specific gravity, was the pee taken first thing in the morning? If not, it could be dilute due to food or drinking. You want a first thing in the morning pee, if possible.
 
The values you look fur with ckd are creatinine, BUN, and urine USG. But the usg varies and giving fluids can effect it. Excessive drinking and urinating are symptoms but also of fd. I still think the bowel issues might be food and psyllium related. Unless there’s a stool sent out to check that shows bacteria I would not treat that with an antibiotic., especially since it’s been normal and then not repeatedly, right? I’m not a vet or tech. Just my observation.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
A links for you when you have time. A Primer On Pancreatitis
If he has an active Pancreatitis flair, and the sore sides sound like it, you also need pain relief. Read the link to see if any of the other symptoms fit too,

For the urine specific gravity, was the pee taken first thing in the morning? If not, it could be dilute due to food or drinking. You want a first thing in the morning pee, if possible.
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Thank you.
I took a first pee and midstream as Bhooma guided me.
I got really angry when I picked him up from the hospital as the vet didn’t prepare pain killers. He is OBV! Suffering from pain. The way he screamed when I picked him up last night was like screaming murder. I will have to go there tomorrow morning when she’s there
 
tiffmaxee said:
The values you look fur with ckd are creatinine, BUN, and urine USG. But the usg varies and giving fluids can effect it. Excessive drinking and urinating are symptoms but also of fd. I still think the bowel issues might be food and psyllium related. Unless there’s a stool sent out to check that shows bacteria I would not treat that with an antibiotic., especially since it’s been normal and then not repeatedly, right? I’m not a vet or tech. Just my observation.
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I will ask tomorrow when speaking to her to get faeces analysis. The vet sounded quite certain that it’s CKD. But I think that if she’s wrong then it’s not that I’m giving him meds for that anyways right?! He gets fluids for ketone prevention so that fits both
Oh gosh I’m tried and I’m trying to catch up with everything so I can be prepared for the call with the vet tomorrow morning :banghead:
 
PMPS 155

I managed to give insulin just after shot time so we’re good. And he’s eating! Very well. And honestly considering that it’s in a new flat it’s a miracle that he ate.
He looks very bright. Walks around and not glitchy. There’s something very strange about how he can look so on top of it and then all of a sudden something flips and he feels so bad.
I’ll have to call it a day. I’m absolutely exhausted. Had one hour sleep in the car in the parking of the hospital bc I was so tired I almost feel asleep in driving. Never before was in that situation and it’s scary as hell
 
tiffmaxee said:
food and psyllium related
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Just browsed through the pancreatitis post… of nutrition is low fat diet then it makes so much sense why he suddenly had the soft cos oat stool! We change his food to high fat so he gets the calories he needs per day as a post DKA …
 
Hi Shelley,
Have a look at the UK/Europe list.

There are a number of foods on there, when George first started having labs that suggested early stage ckd I switched to foods with food that had lower phosphorus, les than 1% on a dry matter basis, these are not therapeutic kidney diets, but it has kept his values stable.

From the list we use
Thrive complete, wildfreedom, feringa, and integra renal .

You'll see there's a range of carbs, all below 10% with those.theyre good quality protein as well.

Here's a link for the list, there are some other options as well on there

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J5JpMe6TDXrHq_aTl9hUtHy6Gs9oRBqlz4nPGKxtySA/edit?usp=drivesdk
 
Did you mention the “worm like” thing you saw to the vet? A fecal analysis usually picks up parasites, but sometimes they can be missed depending on the parasite and life stage. Mucous strings can look wormlike, so it’s possibly something like that as well.

Do you have fleas where you live? Eating an infected flea can give the cat tapeworm. When they’re shedding, they look like small white squishy segments that have some movement. You’ll sometimes see them around the rectum or where the cat has been lying. Another clue is small rice-like segments on bedding (what they look like once they dry).

I’ve been following along from the shadows; I hope Fistuk starts feeling better soon. The better-worse-better-worse cycle is hard on you both. :(
 
I encourage you both... we have no choice but to continue fighting. I wish you both a lot of strength. There is no option to redeem yourself, think positive. You have to fight until the last moment... 1 year ago I lost my cat and we fought together until the last moment. I send you lots of hugs.:bighug::bighug::kiss::kiss:
 
Gill & George said:
Shelley, one more thing, check the ingredients on your med, the brand I have has dextrose in it, that could raise fistuks BG.
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Bloody hell. It has all the " good stuff". Look at the list:
  • Soya oil, Plantago seed husk, pectin, fructooligosaccharides, beta-glucans, dextrose.
What do I do?
 
Fistuk & Shelly said:
Bloody hell. It has all the " good stuff". Look at the list:
  • Soya oil, Plantago seed husk, pectin, fructooligosaccharides, beta-glucans, dextrose.
What do I do?
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I tried some suplements once for George's arthritis, they had some sugar in him, increased hos bg.

I would point ask the vet " do you think giving dextrose to a diabetic cat is a good choice?' It's basically a probiotic/prebiotic supplement, ask them if there's something without sugar.
Chances are they haven't looked.
 
Gill & George said:
I tried some suplements once for George's arthritis, they had some sugar in him, increased hos bg.

I would point ask the vet " do you think giving dextrose to a diabetic cat is a good choice?' It's basically a probiotic/prebiotic supplement, ask them if there's something without sugar.
Chances are they haven't looked.
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I'm sure they haven't looked! Their vision is very narrow. I just don't get it.

How is it different from giving S. Bouldarii? Which I've been giving for a while now
maybe I should add vision as Elsie mentioned @tiffmaxee
 
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Fistuk & Shelly said:
I'm sure they haven't looked! Their vision is very narrow. I just don't get it.

How is it different from giving S. Bouldarii? Which I've been giving for a while now
maybe I should add vision as Elsie mentioned @tiffmaxee
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Apart from the prebiotic E. FAECIUM (Probably one strain) it has kaoline and bentonite both components help remove toxins from the gut, according to a very quick search I've done.

S. Bouldarii, is a Pre biotic, perhaps he also needs a probiotic. The link below discusses the various options for gut health.

https://www.foodfurlife.com/why-probiotics-are-so-important-for-our-pets.html#/

I don't know for sure but I would guess that only one strain of bacteria E.faecium is probably canine. Just a guess, if you read the food fur life article it discusses importance of a species appropriate biome, and why multiple strains are better than just one
 
Gill & George said:
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Apart from the prebiotic E. FAECIUM (Probably one strain) it has kaoline and bentonite both components help remove toxins from the gut, according to a very quick search I've done.

S. Bouldarii, is a Pre biotic, perhaps he also needs a probiotic. The link below discusses the various options for gut health.

https://www.foodfurlife.com/why-probiotics-are-so-important-for-our-pets.html#/
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Thanks, Gill. I didn't even know there was a pre and it's not a Pro B :banghead: So you're saying that the vision is probably a good choice. I'll read the link thank you !! (Still processing all the info and making a list of Qs for the vet)
 
Fistuk & Shelly said:
Thanks, Gill. I didn't even know there was a pre and it's not a Pro B :banghead: So you're saying that the vision is probably a good choice. I'll read the link thank you !! (Still processing all the info and making a list of Qs for the vet)
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I justcedited my previous post to say

I don't know for sure but I would guess that only one strain of bacteria E.faecium is probably canine. Just a guess, if you read the food fur life article it discusses importance of a species appropriate biome, and why multiple strains are better than just one
 
First off, what with pancreatitis there’s no specific diet. Some cats can’t handle high fat though. There’s a theory I have regarding my girl that the high fat lamb diet made her very sick with massive diarrhea. I gave her both Visbiome which is a strong probiotic and SBoulardii with moss which at least mine says probiotic/prebiotic. I just read on the label that Visbiome also helps promote kidney function. I did not know that.
 
tiffmaxee said:
First off, what with pancreatitis there’s no specific diet. Some cats can’t handle high fat though. There’s a theory I have regarding my girl that the high fat lamb diet made her very sick with massive diarrhea. I gave her both Visbiome which is a strong probiotic and SBoulardii with moss which at least mine says probiotic/prebiotic. I just read on the label that Visbiome also helps promote kidney function. I did not know that.
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I ordered AnimlaBiom ofr cats last night. It's shipped fro the US so it'll take some time to arrive. I'll get him PB from the pharmacy here in the meantime. There's a great natural pharmacy in Zurich city where they hold lots of good stuff. I actually gave him PB right as he was diagnosed with FD. Shame I didn't continue with it but I remember it seemed to do him good.
 
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