07/02/2022 - Whiskey NS for AM (vet procedure)

stannarp

stannarp

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6 Feb 2022

So, the update is that we went to the vet today for a check on the ears. and they are a whole lot better - he was able to clean without sedating (with me holding her), queue, many scratches and a grumpy cat. He wants me to bring her back on Friday for a check.

Overall, they are vastly improved, although she is still scratching at them a bit, but definitely 100% better than before.

As he was planning to sedate I didn't shoot this morning (no food from 11H00 last night, and I wasn't comfortable with shooting if she was going under), so no dose til tonight and a lost depot :(

In terms of the plan going forward, I will test whenever I can, although with the constant ear attention, she is very resistant right now, and hold the dose on 0.10 of a unit, will report back on the suggestion of counting drops between her 0.25 and 0.10 dose to find a happy medium, thanks @Wendy&Neko !
 
Good luck with the procedure! Do you want to treat for ear mites just to be extra-cautious? All it takes is Revolution (Selamectin). A spot-on application once a month for 3 months.
If the vet suggests any ear drops, you want to check if they contain steroids.
 
Hi Bhooma ... can't give her Revolution for ear mites, it makes her very very ill, she was hospitalised as a result of it in Oct 2021 before I realised what caused it, and when I dosed her again in Nov 2021 she got horribly ill again so the same dates made me put 2 and 2 together.

They did not see any mites when they checked last Tuesday; but she is going for another check up on Friday, so I will ask them to take a sample and check again under the microscope.

I've got some things I can try for mites (as a result of a previous thread), and the most innocuous thing I can think of for now is colloidal silver (CS) drops. CS is something I've used previously for myself and cats, and is a remedy I know to be mild in moderation, so I am more inclined to trust it.

There were some other ideas (olive oil, boric acid), which I will read more about and only apply if the mites are still there and the CS doesn't work, the olive oil I have heard isn't optimal, and I need to know more about applying essentially a borax solution to her ears before I do it!

Will need to hold off on them until the current treatment is done. Vet also felt that the anti-fungal drops would suffocate the mites (if they are still there) and that would also help.

ps, Procedure went well, he was happy enough with the ears to clean without sedation, so she is back home and has happily chobbled her late breakfast and is now glaring at me.

24 Jan 2022
 
stannarp said:
ps, Procedure went well, he was happy enough with the ears to clean without sedation, so she is back home and has happily chobbled her late breakfast and is now glaring at me.
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Excellent! Glaring = in good health! LOL.

stannarp said:
can't give her Revolution for ear mites, it makes her very very ill, she was hospitalised as a result of it in Oct 2021 before I realised what caused it, and when I dosed her again in Nov 2021 she got horribly ill again so the same dates made me put 2 and 2 together.
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Was it Revolution or Revolution Plus?
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Check this out:


Both treat worms. Plus also treats ticks.

Some people have reported issues with Revolution Plus but Revolution didn't cause any issues.
@Kathy and tiger
@Suzanne & Darcy
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LOL, too funny that video, looks familiar.

Will check with the practise, they billed it as an application of Revolution, but they may not update the name if they regard Plus as being the same as Revolution ...
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Check this out:


Both treat worms. Plus also treats ticks.

Some people have reported issues with Revolution Plus but Revolution didn't cause any issues.
@Kathy and tiger
@Suzanne & Darcy
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Hi @Bandit's Mom - definitely Revolution - it made her very ill in Oct 2021, and again in Nov 2021 - the first time about 3 days after applying it, she had to be hospitalised (her diabetes was undiagnosed then and therefore totally uncontrolled - she weighs about 5kg now, weighed 3kg then).

In Nov when I gave it to her she started vomiting, and stopped eating completely about 3 days after application, at that point I managed to pull her through with force feeding, cerenia and appetite stimulants; but it also helped that she moved as I applied it and most of the product went onto me, not her (so I was dewormed and flea free for a month ;) ).

After that we (vet and I) decided 'no more Revolution' for Whiskey!

added as a ps - I have also tried other products on her, and a Seresto collar did much the same, a few days after fitting it she started getting nauseous and losing her appetite, improved within 24 hours of removing it.
 
I'm really glad to hear that Whiskey's ears are getting better! Are you able to do a few tests on her now? I agree that colloidal silver is a great product. I've really only ever used it in gel form for healing of skin, etc. I wonder how it works on ear problems in drop form. Have you used it before on Whiskey? Let us know how it goes. @Kathy and tiger might want to know about this because Tiger does have ear troubles. He is able to tolerate the regular (not Plus) Revolution. I really do wonder which on they gave to Whiskey in October?
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
I'm really glad to hear that Whiskey's ears are getting better! Are you able to do a few tests on her now? I agree that colloidal silver is a great product. I've really only ever used it in gel form for healing of skin, etc. I wonder how it works on ear problems in drop form. Have you used it before on Whiskey? Let us know how it goes. @Kathy and tiger might want to know about this because Tiger does have ear troubles. He is able to tolerate the regular (not Plus) Revolution. I really do wonder which on they gave to Whiskey in October?
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Haven't tried the CS on her yet, I want to get the current issue sorted - have also been trying to find out how it kills ear mites - they aren't a fungus, a bacteria or a virus, after all!

Will also see if the vet finds any on the slide which I plan to ask them to do on Friday - he didn't see any on the one they did last Tuesday, just fungus replicating at an alarming rate, so I am hoping that if he doesn't see any almost 2 weeks later, we can establish that they are gone.

I can test again, but am going to limit the tests to PS tests for now, and hold her dose quite low.

I feel bad not doing proper testing, but at the moment I have to clean the ears daily with EpiOtic (once), and then apply meds (twice). By the time all this is done, she is over having her ears done, and she has started fighting me for the tests (she used to tolerate them quite well). I don't want fighting over tests to become a standard mode of operation; as I need her to carry on cooperating with me if I want to keep her tightly regulated, and continuously fighting a resistant cat will not bode well for our ongoing relationship - and she already has massive trust issues after she got dumped at the shelter I adopted her from.

ps, was definitely Revolution (not Plus) she reacted so badly to, and she's also not responded well to other long term flea meds, so I am being really cautious with her now.
 
stannarp said:
Haven't tried the CS on her yet, I want to get the current issue sorted - have also been trying to find out how it kills ear mites - they aren't a fungus, a bacteria or a virus, after all!

Will also see if the vet finds any on the slide which I plan to ask them to do on Friday - he didn't see any on the one they did last Tuesday, just fungus replicating at an alarming rate, so I am hoping that if he doesn't see any almost 2 weeks later, we can establish that they are gone.

I can test again, but am going to limit the tests to PS tests for now, and hold her dose quite low.

I feel bad not doing proper testing, but at the moment I have to clean the ears daily with EpiOtic (once), and then apply meds (twice). By the time all this is done, she is over having her ears done, and she has started fighting me for the tests (she used to tolerate them quite well). I don't want fighting over tests to become a standard mode of operation; as I need her to carry on cooperating with me if I want to keep her tightly regulated, and continuously fighting a resistant cat will not bode well for our ongoing relationship - and she already has massive trust issues after she got dumped at the shelter I adopted her from.

ps, was definitely Revolution (not Plus) she reacted so badly to, and she's also not responded well to other long term flea meds, so I am being really cautious with her now.
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Every cat is different so I definitely would not want to put flea meds on her if she responds that badly to them. Sounds dangerous! But she does go outside, right? So fleas can be a persistent problem (and then tapeworms potentially.)

I think you are doing the right thing -- you don't need to have all the negative associations with testing and all the other meds and treatments!
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Every cat is different so I definitely would not want to put flea meds on her if she responds that badly to them. Sounds dangerous! But she does go outside, right? So fleas can be a persistent problem (and then tapeworms potentially.)

I think you are doing the right thing -- you don't need to have all the negative associations with testing and all the other meds and treatments!
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Yes, she does go outside. Both of our cats have bad flea med sensitivities (George breaks out in huge sores and loses his fur, Whiskey starts vomiting and doesn't eat). So I have a mild, but effective, deworming solution which we use for both the cats. It gets mixed in with their food and is essentially food grade Diatomaceous Earth (DE) based, which is a really good dewormer, and when the ears get calmer I will return to the line of DE down the back, which I have always used for fleas ... basically it goes into a shampoo bottle and I put a thin line down the spine, then rub it into their fur. We also use Food Grade DE on ourselves for deworming, it tastes absolutely VILE (think concrete) but it works and doesn't have the side effects other dewormers have.
 
stannarp said:
Thanks, I knew there was one idea I'd missed! The saline will be next on the list after CS!
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I use a 1 ml/cc syringe (no needle) and fold his ear around it and drizzle it down the back of his ear with the syringe lightly pressed against the back of his ear. Then slide the syringe out and rotate the folded ear around a bit...let him shake his head and repeat for the other ear. Sometimes he doesn't seem like he even feels it. My vet also said to use a dry Qtip on the upper portion to remove the debris without pushing any down in. It hurts if you go too deep so I just keep it around the top of the inside area. Hope this helps!
 
Kathy and tiger said:
I use a 1 ml/cc syringe (no needle) and fold his ear around it and drizzle it down the back of his ear with the syringe lightly pressed against the back of his ear. Then slide the syringe out and rotate the folded ear around a bit...let him shake his head and repeat for the other ear. Sometimes he doesn't seem like he even feels it. My vet also said to use a dry Qtip on the upper portion to remove the debris without pushing any down in. It hurts if you go too deep so I just keep it around the top of the inside area. Hope this helps!
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I knew you were my ear guru, Kathy.
 
Kathy and tiger said:
I use a 1 ml/cc syringe (no needle) and fold his ear around it and drizzle it down the back of his ear with the syringe lightly pressed against the back of his ear. Then slide the syringe out and rotate the folded ear around a bit...let him shake his head and repeat for the other ear. Sometimes he doesn't seem like he even feels it. My vet also said to use a dry Qtip on the upper portion to remove the debris without pushing any down in. It hurts if you go too deep so I just keep it around the top of the inside area. Hope this helps!
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Thanks very much - the no needle small syringe idea will help I think, I can use that for CS too.

At the moment we are at the cleaning ears with EpiOtic and then putting the anti-fungal meds on, but if the mites are showing any presence on the Fri checkup (they didn't see any under the mic last Tues) I will try this.

Only thing I am a bit worried about is adding extra moisture to her ears if we have just managed to clear the fungal infection!
 
stannarp said:
Thanks very much - the no needle small syringe idea will help I think, I can use that for CS too.

At the moment we are at the cleaning ears with EpiOtic and then putting the anti-fungal meds on, but if the mites are showing any presence on the Fri checkup (they didn't see any under the mic last Tues) I will try this.

Only thing I am a bit worried about is adding extra moisture to her ears if we have just managed to clear the fungal infection!
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I hope it will help you long-term to keep things under control. I use .5-.75ml every day or every other day...
 
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