06/06 Tray's AMPS 43 +9=313 Can I shoot @+11?

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Iorwen & Tray

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This cat is enough to send me to the looney bin. I was going to increase his dose this morning when behold a 43 AMPS!
Now what do I do? He's was very demanding of his breakfast so I fed him some FF and skipped the raw. He's eating now.
 
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20 minutes later and after food he's still at 43 so no shot for Tray this am. I hope that's right.
 
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I'd keep checking every half hour... so you can try and at least give a partial dose at +1 or +2 once his #s come up. If you check out Vesta's SS, we ran into a problem like that once- finally gave her the shot at +2 then worked our way back down over the next few days to the time we were used to. (It happened on May 11th if you want to take a look)

(Here's a link to the May 11th condo... viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14306 )
 
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Wow I bet this was a shocker to wake up too :roll: :shock: I agree these cats are enough to send us over the edge hang in there
 
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There's a sticky at the top of the forum that talks about data ready to shoot low numbers. Somewhere I believe there are other instructions about (don't quote methough - I haven't found anything official yet) that you usually check every 15 - 20 min till you see the numbers going back up and then you can either shoot your regular dose or a BCS (Big chickensh*t shot?) - just a partial dose. If you skip the shot or do the BCS, you end up depleting the shed, I believe.

I'm no expert, but if it were Kasha and I were around to monitor, I'd probably wait till she were going back up for sure and then shoot her full dose in the scruff area (from what I read, it absorbs more slowly there, but ECID) and test, test, test till I was sure things were looking good.

I'll keep looking for something official unless someone who knows a lot more chimes in first...
 
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Has he gone up any?? was wondering if you had started to give a bit of mc yet or were sticking with lc for now?
 
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I'm just waking up. You don't want to skip this shot -- you just got to good numbers and want to keep them. Want to see another test and know if he's eaten.
I'm not familiar with Tray -- any dry food in his diet, or anything else I should know before trying to help?
 
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Ok - if D is on the case, I can go btb and stop researching!

Good luck! I'll check back in and see how you guys are doing later!
 
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I'm not saying this is the case but I am seeing (in SS) a possible late nadir kitty. Meaning your low point of the day could be around shot time. Watch Tray and see if you start seeing a trend like that. I like late nadir kitties cause typically they go up at shot time and then come back down next shot time -- making it easy to catch the nadir. Again, SS doesn't scream late nadir kitty but it does suggest watching for that.

Did you go BTB? ;-)
 
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I was trying to stick around and help but have to go feed cats and stuff. I'll check back in a bit.
 
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OH! Late nadir! That's got MY attention!

Oliver pulled a good one this morn. D, if you could look at Oliver's ss and see if it's a good example of a late nadir?

Anyways, Oliver has a late nadir and he is still dropping at the time I should be giving his shot, but I know from past that I have to shoot because he's going to go up soon after!

Today, I tested at +11, 11.5, 12, 12.5, and then shot because even though Oliver was dropping, it had slowed to a trickle and I knew he was slowing down to start rising again.
Sure enough, 30min after he got his am shot, he was rising.
I don't know if I recorded it all right, but if you look at Oliver's ss for this morn, you will see how it went today.

Now, I'll back away since I have offered my late nadir example.
 
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Okay sorry, had to run out to get some more HC cat food in between checking him.
So: +.30=43
+1=50
+1.5=50
+2=67
went out and didn't test again until
+3=108

do I shoot now? and what? and then how do I get back to by regular shoot time? I have to leave for work tomorrow by 6:45am, which is 15 minutes after his normal shot time.
 
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D and Noisy said:
I'm just waking up. You don't want to skip this shot -- you just got to good numbers and want to keep them. Want to see another test and know if he's eaten.
I'm not familiar with Tray -- any dry food in his diet, or anything else I should know before trying to help?
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He's eaten twice now. FF and some raw and I gave him a few treats in my paranoia. He's not on any dry food, mostly a raw diet.
 
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Okay I decided to shoot his dose in the scruff and will montior.
Still am confused as to what to shoot this evening and when?
 
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Pat went through your situation yesterday. Check Shadow's condo to see what she did. I think that it was safe to shoot when she was in the 100s. I think she shot a slightly reduced dose. Sorry I can't provide the link to Shadow's condo (don't know how to do this), but you'll be able to find it easily enough.

Good luck today!

Ella
 
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+4=173 still on the rise so I guess it was safe to shoot. Maybe I should have shot in his usual flank and not scruff but I was scared. Live and learn I guess.
Thanks for all you input, keep it coming I really appreciate all the help.
 
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Totally understand scared should have seen me when Do Lou was in the 20's thought I was going to have heart failure totally normal to be scared you did fine :mrgreen:
 
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wow! Just got here and saw this number, talk about a surprise! Hope tray is onto something good here!
 
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what an eye-opener!

first the housekeeping part: your "clock" resets itself after you shot, so your numbers for this morning look like this:

+12 ~ 43
+12.5 ~ 43
+13 ~ 50
+13.5 ~ 50
+14 ~ 67
+15 ~ 108 (AMPS - shot 2.5u)
+1 ~ 178

You can either write the times like that in the comments section, or stuff them all into the +11 box. Put the 108 (+15) in the AMPS box. You'll have to manually change the colors since you're writing more than just a number. There are examples on Lucy's spreadsheet of how I notated those delayed shots.

You have 3 hours to make up by tomorrow morning, right? Can you post a number at +9 so we can see if Tray is bouncing by then? It will give us time to think about the PM shot.
 
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Iorwen & Tray said:
+4=173 still on the rise so I guess it was safe to shoot. Maybe I should have shot in his usual flank and not scruff but I was scared. Live and learn I guess.
Thanks for all you input, keep it coming I really appreciate all the help.
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Well, I shot in Kasha's scruff this AM and it didn't seem to slow her down any - she dropped over 100 pts by +2 today. So, apparently that doesn't always work... I know ECID but it seems like maybe ECIDED (Each Cat Is Different Every Day)!!!!

Another exciting day in Lantus Land!
 
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Libby and Lucy said:
what an eye-opener!
You have 3 hours to make up by tomorrow morning, right? Can you post a number at +9 so we can see if Tray is bouncing by then? It will give us time to think about the PM shot.
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Yes it was an eye opener, perhaps the threat of a dose increase made Tray rethink his BG's! lol

I think I got my spreadsheet right now (these things are not my strong suit). It is 3 hours I need to make up, and I can definately get a +9 for you.
Thank the gods I was home today when this happened.
 
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I always shoot the scruff; it's been said that it's more of a slow smooth change whereas the flank is quicker and not as long lasting.
I tried flank once on Shadoe and she freaked. And there's no way I am trying flank for Oliver.
 
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I was very excited this morning but nervous. He seems to still be rising, could be from the scruff shot.
He's 272 @+6
Can someone explain how I get back to my normal shoot time?
 
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I'm hoping he'll keep rising enough that you can shoot at +10 tonight and +11 tomorrow. One of those (or maybe both) will have to be a BCS dose because otherwise you'll risk creating too much overlap and throwing him back into low numbers.

That's why I suggested a +9, so we can get an idea of what he is doing and whether/how much we can shoot at +10. That's the only way I can think of to make up 3 hours in one day, other than skipping a shot (which might be necessary if he's NOT rising much).
 
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Libby and Lucy said:
I'm hoping he'll keep rising enough that you can shoot at +10 tonight and +11 tomorrow. One of those (or maybe both) will have to be a BCS dose because otherwise you'll risk creating too much overlap and throwing him back into low numbers.

That's why I suggested a +9, so we can get an idea of what he is doing and whether/how much we can shoot at +10. That's the only way I can think of to make up 3 hours in one day, other than skipping a shot (which might be necessary if he's NOT rising much).
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I see, that makes sense. I will post his +9 then and then ask your advice again. THANK YOU so much for all your help.
 
Re: 06/06 Tray's AMPS 43 +9=313 Can I shoot @+10?

so Tray is 313 @+9 is it safe to say I can shoot in two hours and then early @+10 tomorrow and what do I shoot?
 
why don't you shoot early tonight (you could even do +10.5, since it looks like his bounce is starting). Then in the morning you'll have to do a BCS since that will be +10.5 also. Maybe half of the regular dose, or even less. Of course if he's too low in the morning, just skip it and get back on track later.
 
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