06/05 Willow B-Complex question

nslade001

nslade001

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Hi everyone, I asked my vet for B complex injectable to give with SQ fluids; she had to order it in. It's something called Hemostam, and seems to have additional ingredients. Also, instructions say IM every 3 days.

I wanted to start Willow on them because her labs indicate she's slightly anemic, but my vet thinks she's fine and doesn't need anything. Her labs are in SS.

Ingredients are(copied from internet):


Each mL contains:

Vitamin B-12

150 mcg

Iron Ammonium Citrate

15 mg

Thiamine Hydrochloride (B-1)

40 mg

Riboflavin (B-2) as 5-Phosphate Sodium

4 mg

Pyridoxine HCL (B-6)

10 mg

Niacinamide (B-3)

100 mg

d-Panthenol (B-5)

15 mg

Cobalt Gluconate

0.7 mg

Copper Gluconate

0.2 mg

Chlorobutanol

0.5%

Benzyl Alcohol as Preservative

2%

Any thoughts? I'm not big on extras. Has anyone here given B-Complex, how have you given it, and where did you get it?
I'm in Canada, but would order if necessary.

Thanks so much, with love, nikki
 
Hi Nikki,
Hows Willow doing? Is she eating OK? How are her teeth?
Peggy Sue is not doing good today. Since I took her to the Vet Tuesday evening she's been hiding during the day. She doesn't want to eat at all since last night.She's even fighting me when I try to give her baby food in a syringe.

It looks like it's not her lower molar but the tooth in front of it is being absorbed. All her teeth look brown, lots of tartar. The vet said she definitely needs a dental. I'm afraid if I don't take her it will get worse. And if I do she won't make it thru the anesthesia .
I'm pretty sure he'll want to "dig" the tooth out that's now below her gum line. I'm getting myself ,sick trying to figure out what I should do? Yesterday she was eating OK & playing outside. Not today!

Did Willow lose weight? Are you giving her meds? Does she still have IBD?
 
Hi Joy, thanks for asking about Willow. She's overall been doing very good, recently she's done better than she's had since diagnosis in November! But last little while is becoming inappetent again and occasionally showing signs of pain, so giving bupe as needed. Her numbers are shifting too, I have to upload my SS soon...Her nadir is sometimes at preshot, she's had some of her lowest preshots yet, and she's sometimes rising a bit mid cycle like a bell curve. But her numbers often go a bit weird when she's "off".

She's been eating great, we haven't had to give mirtz since we arrived in NS, until a couple days ago...It may be needed soon again. The puréeing her food made a *big* difference to her eating/appetite, and the freeze-dried puresnacks (salmon) are working well as an enticer crumbled on her slurry if needed.

She's nearing end of treatment for UTI, and the antibiotic has upset her tummy on and off so hopefully she'll feel better when they're done. No real bad diarrhea though, so I don't think its her IBD is returning.

She's on lots of meds, which I'm not happy about, but I've tried to wean her off many and each time I do she relapses...I've had to accept that even though I don't like giving them, she needs them for quality of life even if they shorten her life. It's not fair for her, not to give her what she needs to be comfortable.

I'm sorry to hear about Peggy Sue. I honestly think you're doing the right thing for her, even though it's scary and there is a risk. I'm sending positive thoughts her way and visualizing a great outcome, with her acting like a kitten, eating well and happy! Dental pain is *very* painful, and Willow has taught me how well cats hide their pain...When she's showing pain, I know she *really* hurts.

Do you have/use the feliway diffuser? I'm thinking of getting one for Willow for our return trip to Ontario later.

With love, nikki
 
Bronx's dad said:
@LizzieInTexas knows about B-Complex supplementation
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I don't know why I am not getting alerts for tags :mad:

I didn't give Gizmo B-Complex injections. I did give him B12 (Cyanocobalamin) injections weekly.

I did give B-complex as well as B12 (Methylcobalamin) orally. For what I used and dosing see the "Meds" tab on Gizmo's SS.

My understanding is B-Complex injections sting.

Cyanocobalamin is used to help anemia and can help with appy. Methylcobalamin helps with neuropathy.

Here is info on the "B" vitamins
http://www.felinecrf.org/vitamin_b.htm
 
LizzieInTexas said:
I don't know why I am not getting alerts for tags :mad:

I didn't give Gizmo B-Complex injections. I did give him B12 (Cyanocobalamin) injections weekly.

I did give B-complex as well as B12 (Methylcobalamin) orally. For what I used and dosing see the "Meds" tab on Gizmo's SS.

My understanding is B-Complex injections sting.

Cyanocobalamin is used to help anemia and can help with appy. Methylcobalamin helps with neuropathy.

Here is info on the "B" vitamins
http://www.felinecrf.org/vitamin_b.htm
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Lol I posted without replying.
Thanks for answering! I know the complex stings, which is why I thought it could go with her fluids(I give with syringe and butterfly); sure not going with IM.

Tanya's site is awesome, but also overwhelming at times. I was looking at the jarrows but am a bit concerned about the phosphorus levels; Willow's is down some with diet. I don't know what's more important at this point, phosphorus or slight anemia. My vet says she's not anemic, just low normal. Sigh.

Any thoughts? Thanks so much, with love, nikki
 
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nslade001 said:
I don't know what's more important at this point, phosphorus or slight anemia
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The dosing for Jarrows is such a tiny amount (1/64th teaspoon) that the amount of phos isn't an issue.

Willow is on the lower end with hematocrit but still in the normal range. Both anemia and high phos can cause nausea and inappetance. Gizmo was anemic (reason was never known) and got ESA injections which normalized the HTC. Willow isn't needing that (yet?).

I am not used to looking at non-US labs so not sure with the quick glance and not doing the calculations.

Are you still giving egg yolk? If so, it is high in phosphorus. I would have to do some digging but there is a supplement that has the benefit of egg yolk that doesn't have phos.

Hope I have helped a little at least :smuggrin:
 
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Just another observation.. if you are still feeding FF - it is very high in phos (I swear that is why they all love it so much). :rolleyes:
 
LizzieInTexas said:
The dosing for Jarrows is such a tiny amount (1/64th teaspoon) that the amount of phos isn't an issue.

Willow is on the lower end with hematocrit but still in the normal range. Both anemia and high phos can cause nausea and inappetance. Gizmo was anemic (reason was never known) and got ESA injections which normalized the HTC. Willow isn't needing that (yet?).

I am not used to looking at non-US labs so not sure with the quick glance and not doing the calculations.

Are you still giving egg yolk? If so, it is high in phosphorus. I would have to do some digging but there is a supplement that has the benefit of egg yolk that doesn't have phos.

Hope I have helped a little at least :smuggrin:
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Yes, you have helped a *lot*, at least to reassure me I won't be killing her kidneys if I give jarrows B complex for a while (I'm thinking a couple of months, then her blood work will be due to be rechecked) and see if there's any difference...I *would* like to see those RBC's up a bit, they've been borderline a year now. She's getting weekly B12 injections, and is on zobaline.

You've also reminded me to redo my feeding notes, thanks! I forgot those are there... No more egg yolk (I had her on for maybe a week before I realized it was high phosphorus, duh...I'd hoped it would help her poop more regularly). And when the vet said stage 2 CRF, we began mixing Fancy feast with low phosphorus foods (she refuses to eat them alone).
Thanks so much! With love, nikki
 
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