05/03 Shmee +10 231, dental day

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Amanda & Shmee

Amanda & Shmee

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Previous condo: www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/05-02-shmee-dental-tomorrow-5-61-11-146-giving-half-pm-dose.195009/

Good morning,

Shmee was supposed to get Gaberpentin this morning, because he does not do well at the vet. Today was his first time trying it, and he will not eat it. The vet said he can have a teaspoon of food and sprinkle it on top. He looked at it, smelled it, and would not eat it. But it is supposed to have no taste or smell.... He is smart and picky though. I really hope he is just being stubborn and there is nothing wrong.... God I am so nervous for today already and this has to happen... I tried three flavors plus I tried the baby food I bought yesterday for after his surgery. He licks it, can tell there's powder on it... and then stops. He is supposed to get it two hours before the appointment and I am taking him in 1.5 hours... Should I just try to pour the powder in his mouth?? I wish I had a syringe for food but I do not.. :/ I think the vet is just going to have to deal with him the best they can. He is going to be so terrified :( the last time I had to leave him at the vet was many years ago..

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Update on Shmee @1:30pm - vet just called, it went well and he is sleeping :cat: They ended up pulling seven teeth! My poor baby.... It makes me want to SCREAM that I have taken him to the vet since he was a baby and no vet has ever recommended cleaning his teeth. It seems so obvious now looking back... but I am trying my best to move forward and happy he is doing well.
 
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I completely understand. Silver is not eating for me either. Try not to worry. I know that's easy to say. Standing with you and will be looking forward to your post when he comes home. Silver ate right away. Just make sure he's on precautionary antibiotics afterwards and you should be fine.
 
I've been giving George some B12 which tastes bitter, i mix it in with a little tuna and tuna juice (tuna in spring water), he laps it up without a problem, if I sprinkle it with his normal food he leaves it. Perhaps if you mix it in and he can't see the powder that might work.
Could you try that?

Perhaps he's picking up on you being nervous, they are such sensitive creatures.
 
Gill & George said:
I've been giving George some B12 which tastes bitter, i mix it in with a little tuna and tuna juice (tuna in spring water), he laps it up without a problem, if I sprinkle it with his normal food he leaves it. Perhaps if you mix it in and he can't see the powder that might work.
Could you try that?

Perhaps he's picking up on you being nervous, they are such sensitive creatures.
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He might be :( I just tried some new food and mixed it in. Nothing. I didn't try that before because she said it had to be sprinkled on top :/ but I gave it a shot and he still won't eat it. Makes me so nervous something is wrong but I really hope he is just being stubborn.
 
Sending good vetty vines your way. You probably have left all ready, but next time stir up the sprinkle powder med into the food so he doesn't know it's there. Keep us posted!
 
Good luck today! Teasel's sister (who isn't diabetic) had a dental last week and I was very stressed about it. It went well (two extractions after a cleaning) and she recovered quickly.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Sending good vetty vines your way. You probably have left all ready, but next time stir up the sprinkle powder med into the food so he doesn't know it's there. Keep us posted!
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Thank you I will! The vet said to sprinkle it on top so I tried that first, then I went back and stirred it in a new flavor.. and nothin. I eventually thought "oh yeah I have pill pockets!" and dumped the powder in two of those. He barely ate them, ate the tops of them and left the powder and bottoms haha... one stubborn cat!!!

Gill & George said:
I've been giving George some B12 which tastes bitter, i mix it in with a little tuna and tuna juice (tuna in spring water), he laps it up without a problem, if I sprinkle it with his normal food he leaves it.
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I need to buy tuna and try this next time!
 
Gill & George said:
Make sure the tuna is just plain in spring water, no seasoning.:)
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And to expand on that, don't just go by the front of the can that says IN WATER because a lot of the companies are using water and vegetable broth when you read the small print under ingredients. And with vegetable broth could be onions which is a no go for cats. I get the Bumble Bee Very Low Sodium and it is truly in just water.
 
Thanks Bobbi I saved that info so I don't forget!

Update on Shmee - vet just called, it went well and he is sleeping :cat: They ended up pulling seven teeth (3 were roots)! My poor baby.... It makes me want to SCREAM that I have taken him to the vet since he was a baby and no vet has ever recommended cleaning his teeth. It seems so obvious now looking back... but I am trying my best to move forward and happy he is doing well.

As for antibiotics - I nixed the Covenia with your help, and Clavaseptin or Clindamycin was recommended to me in a prior condo. The vet was totally fine with that, but they just told me on the phone they are giving me a prescription for Clavomox.... please tell me that's another name for Clavaseptin and Clindamycin??

Also, I bought probiotics last night in pill form, but it looks like I can take the powder out. After this mornings debacle and not getting him to eat the Gabapetin... I really don't think he will eat his food if I stir in the antibiotic. I still want to go try to find some kefir, @Bobbie And Bubba did you say you can find it in any grocery store? I couldn't find it at Walmart (which also has groceries). I will have to see if there is a Whole Foods in driving distance.

I appreciate all your vines :bighug:
 
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Glad the dental is over. Please don't beat yourself up about not knowing about the teeth. Your vet should have guided you on that. Like you said just go forward and be diligent about dentals for her yearly as teeth and gum issues can knock a cat right out of remission. Just ask Bubba. :rolleyes:

Clavamox is a drug containing both Amoxicillin and Clavulanic acid. One of my previous cats could not tolerate it. Some of the side affects is nausea, diarrhea and vomiting. Hope she will do okay on it. Lots of kitties do well with it. Maybe ask the vet why that AB instead of one of the other ones you requested. Tagging @Janine & Floyd to weigh in .
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Glad the dental is over. Please don't beat yourself up about not knowing about the teeth. Your vet should have guided you on that. Like you said just go forward and be diligent about dentals for her yearly as teeth and gum issues can knock a cat right out of remission. Just ask Bubba. :rolleyes:

Clavamox is a drug containing both Amoxicillin and Clavulanic acid. One of my previous cats could not tolerate it. Some of the side affects is nausea, diarrhea and vomiting. Hope she will do okay on it. Lots of kitties do well with it. Maybe ask the vet why that AB instead of one of the other ones you requested. Tagging @Janine & Floyd to weigh in .
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Clavamox is the trade name of Clavaseptin. It is the same thing and combined of those two drugs @Bobbie And Bubba mentioned. I googled to confirm this is true before I posted.
 
I also called her back and asked if they took his blood sugar. She is going to find out and call me back.

Juliet said:
Clavamox is the trade name of Clavaseptin. It is the same thing and combined of those two drugs @Bobbie And Bubba mentioned. I googled to confirm this is true before I posted.
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Thank you Juliet! I googled "Clavomox" before, but didn't see Clavaseptin come up. But I just tried "Clavamox Clavaseptin" and it came up right away. That is a relief..
 
Amanda & Shmee said:
I also called her back and asked if they took his blood sugar. She is going to find out and call me back.



Thank you Juliet! I googled "Clavomox" before, but didn't see Clavaseptin come up. But I just tried "Clavamox Clavaseptin" and it came up right away. That is a relief..
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I used to work for a pharmaceutical company. I look at ingredients.
 
They did not take his blood sugar. They said "he is very grumpy" and it would register as the wrong number anyway since he is very stressed out. They could have done it during the anesthesia I would think... But oh well. I will test him when he gets home.
 
Clavamox is a very common antibiotic for cats and I've used it many times for dental and other infections - only had one cat who got bad diarrhea. Probiotics may help with that if it happens. Fortiflora is a decent probiotic and tastes delicious to cats - I've used it many times to get them to eat.
 
Harley was on Clava ox and it did give him diarrhea and made him a bit groggy or tired, but all abs will do that. ECID so they will all react differently.

BTW - there is no teller hwi our cats mouths are, especially when they don’t have bad breath. Both Harley & Davidson had clean mouths, were just at the vets the end of Nov/17 and next thing Davidson has 3 teeth infected and gingivitis- none of which were therewhen at the vet. Yes, both had a bit of tartar, but nothing major.....with Davidson needing surgery I thought I’d get Harley checked out again, and sure enuf he just had surgery last month and same thing - an infection had started but there were no symptoms.

With the pain meds, if he start eating dried treats that we give them, more then likely you can ween the pain meds off. Both H&D were only on a day.

After the abs are over the diarrhea will subside and he’ll adjust fine.
 
Camille and Cyclone said:
Clavamox is a very common antibiotic for cats and I've used it many times for dental and other infections - only had one cat who got bad diarrhea. Probiotics may help with that if it happens. Fortiflora is a decent probiotic and tastes delicious to cats - I've used it many times to get them to eat.
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Maybe I can try Fortiflora for Silver who won't eat. Where can you buy it?
 
Sorry, I didn't have a chance to weigh in before, but it looks like you've got it covered!

The vet should be assessing oral health at every visit, but there is only so much we can see when they are awake. I have had many surprises once a pet is under anesthesia anand a full exam with probing is possible. So, as others have said, don't beat yourself up, @Amanda & Shmee. You've done your best and now the healing can begin.

Having said that, I would advise everyone (and I probably don't need to tell you all this!) to always ask about the teeth and make sure your vet is looking in the mouth every time. Sometimes you get to chatting and forget something.
 
Thank you all :bighug:

Another update - he is home and has been acting and eating a lot better than expected. He has eaten almost a full can of food and went straight to the window to watch the birds. He has also drank more water than I have seen him drink in a long time, playing with it and spilling the bowl over and over and over... So, he is definitely feeling well, which makes me feel much better. :) I poured myself a glass of wine!

The vet did give me the Clavamox AB, and Onsior for pain. He had a shot of Buprenorphine for pain already though, so I wonder if he truly needs both? I will have to look up how long Buprenorphine lasts. The vet said he can start on both tonight if he is eating and drinking.
She also wants him to go back down to 4.5 units for now and see how he does, and give a half dose tonight if he isn't eating. I didn't have any objections to that.

I think that is everything.. so much info to remember
 
Amanda & Shmee said:
Thank you all :bighug:

Another update - he is home and has been acting and eating a lot better than expected. He has eaten almost a full can of food and went straight to the window to watch the birds. He has also drank more water than I have seen him drink in a long time, playing with it and spilling the bowl over and over and over... So, he is definitely feeling well, which makes me feel much better. :) I poured myself a glass of wine!

The vet did give me the Clavamox AB, and Onsior for pain. He had a shot of Buprenorphine for pain already though, so I wonder if he truly needs both? I will have to look up how long Buprenorphine lasts. The vet said he can start on both tonight if he is eating and drinking.
She also wants him to go back down to 4.5 units for now and see how he does, and give a half dose tonight if he isn't eating. I didn't have any objections to that.

I think that is everything.. so much info to remember
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With that many extractions and possibly in all four quadrants of his mouth, he might need both to be comfy. But, you will know that after he does or doesn't start to eat for you.
 
Amanda & Shmee said:
Thank you all :bighug:
The vet did give me the Clavamox AB, and Onsior for pain. He had a shot of Buprenorphine for pain already though, so I wonder if he truly needs both? I will have to look up how long Buprenorphine lasts. The vet said he can start on both tonight if he is eating and drinking.
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The duration of buprenorphine depends on the dose, so unless you that, it's hard to say how long the injection will last (6-8 hours average, but you also need to know when it was given). I personally would give the Onsior at least tonight so that hopefully it kicks in before the buprenorphine wears off. It is much easier to prevent the pain from worsening than to get it back under control after pain meds have worn off. After that, you can see how things go.

Glad to hear he's doing so well!:joyful:
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
The flortiflora is not an ideal probiotic, but it is wonderful to get them to eat! That is all I use it for. I had to sprinkle a bit on Bubba's food tonight as I put two supplements in his food that he sometimes just doesn't like.
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I used it once before and it cleared up Silver's diarrhea
 
Juliet said:
How is he doing now?
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He is doing well :cat: PMPS 307, and he ate so I shot 4.5U
There weren't any objections on here to his dose so I hope I did the right thing by following the vets advice.

I also gave him both pills. He ate one with a pill pocket but couldn't chew the second pocket so I had to put it down his throat. I really hate doing that... but it looks like I will be doing it a lot for the next week. I coated it in butter. He let out a really sad / weird meow right after.. I really hope it did not hurt his mouth too much. My vet said that is the reason she usually gives the Covenia shot, so the pilling doesn't hurt their mouth. But I would rather do the pills then the possibility of the allergic reaction to the shot. I get so nervous though that with 7 extractions and 4 being "root" extractions, that a pill could get stuck in a tooth hole..
 
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