? 05/01 Junior weekly vomits, increased drink & urination. What can I do about it?

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Hello everyone. I just wanted to give everyone a quick update on junior. His sugar levels have remained consistently low at 143 without any insulin ever given. I attribute this to switching his food immediately upon diabetic diagnosis. Pre diagnosis he was at 500 glucose on royal feline moderate so. I tried for months to switch him to wet food using Dr Lisa's food chart without any success. He liked the wet food for a couple of days and then wanted nothing to do with it. I spend hundreds of dollars and a lot of it ended up on the trash as he would not eat it. It was so stressful seeing him run to the kitchen to eat and lick the food and walk away leaving it pretty much uneaten. I tried adding fortiflora. Tuna water. Parmesan. Sprinkling dry food. Warming the food a bit. If you can think it I tried it. Even letting him go long periods without eating and he wouldn't eat but lost more weight. At the start of this in November 2016 he was13 pounds. As of this morning may 2017 he is 9.2 pounds. I then gave in a switched him to young again zero mature dry food. and he was eating just right. Lately I find that I am not 100-% sure this food is the best for him because he would consume tons of water to then throw up all of it. He poops like a human. And it smell horrible. He pees so much like a person too. I have contacted young again on numerous occasions and they have been very nice and knowledgeable. With that said I am not sure if junior is having other isssues unrelated to this food but I will be trying natures instinct variety. Medallion raw food. To see how that goes. Maybe the fact that the food comes in little round balls may fool him to think it's treats which he has alway in the past prior to diabentic Diagnosis (soft treats). Last doctor visit his blood work was normal with the exception of increase BUN and creatine which the doctor associated with early signs of kidney disease but later said it could be to dehydration because he was going to have a dental cleaning and I had removed food and water and his body seemed to have needed the water for this type of food (ya) because when he came home he'd drank what appear to be like 8 oz water and threw it all up. He throws up once a week. I am thinking that If all else fails he maybe going back to dry prescribed cat food to make him as comfortable as possible for what I hope is a long life yet to be lived.

My sisters cat who is healthy was also switched over to young again and we've had the same issue with the water consumption and throwing up. Not sure what's going on. If anyone can tell me how the nature instinct food has work for them I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
 
Sorry to hear Junior and your sister's kitty are not doing well with YA. I would suggest just keeping an eye on his BG if you go back to prescription dry food since most are on the carbier side and the 143 is the higher end of a non-diabetic kitty (normal 68 - 137 mg/dL) with the AT2 meter. I will tag a member for you who uses Nature's Variety Instinct :) @MrWorfMen's Mom
Positive healing thoughts for your Junior to live his long life :bighug: Good luck!
 
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Hi,
I am sorry that I cannot give any advice on your situation but to be frank I don't like not eating and drinking/throwing up and urinating a lot combination at all. His BG numbers are great but the rest of it sounds like what my kitty had when she had DKA. Not to scare you - I want you to get somebody else's opinion on the situation and my reply will bring your post up on the message board.

What I can advise is that you edit your post's title to something more specific than just "an update on".
You will find better wording but something like " 05/01 Junior not eating, vomits, increased drink & urination. What can I do about it?" should attracted eyes with knowledge on that area and open up a conversation. I would also add the question mark to your title as a prefix - you choose ? from a drop down menu in the thread Tools-Edit title.
 
@Tanya and Ducia thank you very much for your suggestions and concern. I made the changes to my post. Junior throws up about once a week. Very watery. Sometimes followed by brown mucus and hair ball. He drinks a lot of water. I believe it's because the food (YA) we noticed my sisters healthy cat started consuming a lot of water when we switched her food over too. Stool is normal consistency except a lot and very stinky. A lot of urine. I gave him one nature variety instinct dry raw nugget to see if he liked it and he ate a bit. Not the whole thing but that is to be expected since it's new and his a picky eater. The other (ya) good is left out in case he wants to pick at it. How long can dry raw or frozen raw food be kept out? My cat is a grazer he doesn't like to eat all in one time
 
Hi Luz,

I am tagging someone who feeds YA @JanetNJ and has great knowledge of cat's health in general.

For the rest of the issues - maybe it is good idea to start testing his urine for ketones. You can buy testing strips at any human pharmacy. I do not know if kitties with good BG numbers can have ketones but it's better to be safe than sorry. Catching urine in the a spoon with long handle is not too difficult but will give you a peace of mind.

I hope Junior is simply giving you an attitude with the food experimentation you 've been doing. Cat's like to be in charge, don't they?;)
 
I should also state that since December 15,2016 he was only on YA zero. No other food.
 
luz said:
Hello everyone. I just wanted to give everyone a quick update on junior. His sugar levels have remained consistently low at 143 without any insulin ever given. I attribute this to switching his food immediately upon diabetic diagnosis. Pre diagnosis he was at 500 glucose on royal feline moderate so. I tried for months to switch him to wet food using Dr Lisa's food chart without any success. He liked the wet food for a couple of days and then wanted nothing to do with it. I spend hundreds of dollars and a lot of it ended up on the trash as he would not eat it. It was so stressful seeing him run to the kitchen to eat and lick the food and walk away leaving it pretty much uneaten. I tried adding fortiflora. Tuna water. Parmesan. Sprinkling dry food. Warming the food a bit. If you can think it I tried it. Even letting him go long periods without eating and he wouldn't eat but lost more weight. At the start of this in November 2016 he was13 pounds. As of this morning may 2017 he is 9.2 pounds. I then gave in a switched him to young again zero mature dry food. and he was eating just right. Lately I find that I am not 100-% sure this food is the best for him because he would consume tons of water to then throw up all of it. He poops like a human. And it smell horrible. He pees so much like a person too. I have contacted young again on numerous occasions and they have been very nice and knowledgeable. With that said I am not sure if junior is having other isssues unrelated to this food but I will be trying natures instinct variety. Medallion raw food. To see how that goes. Maybe the fact that the food comes in little round balls may fool him to think it's treats which he has alway in the past prior to diabentic Diagnosis (soft treats). Last doctor visit his blood work was normal with the exception of increase BUN and creatine which the doctor associated with early signs of kidney disease but later said it could be to dehydration because he was going to have a dental cleaning and I had removed food and water and his body seemed to have needed the water for this type of food (ya) because when he came home he'd drank what appear to be like 8 oz water and threw it all up. He throws up once a week. I am thinking that If all else fails he maybe going back to dry prescribed cat food to make him as comfortable as possible for what I hope is a long life yet to be lived.

My sisters cat who is healthy was also switched over to young again and we've had the same issue with the water consumption and throwing up. Not sure what's going on. If anyone can tell me how the nature instinct food has work for them I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
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So I think the increased drinking is probably due more to the increased bun.... When bun levels are high it's because of toxins the kidneys aren't properly flushing, so the cat drinks much more to flush the system. What was the creatnine and bun? Can you post a copy of the labs?
 
They are in my template "lab"
Bun 45 (16-36)
Creatinine 3 (0.8-2.4)
 

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luz said:
They are in my template "lab"
Bun 45 (16-36)
Creatinine 3 (0.8-2.4)
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Ok so your cat is early stage 3 kidney failure.... This really explains the excessive drinking. I started doing sub q fluids with my Zimmy when he hit 2.4 creatnine and 54 bun (stage 2). It really slowed down the progression of the disease. A year later his creatinine was only at 2.7, and bun down to 30.

I would ask about doing fluids every other day. It will make him much more comfortable and not constantly trying to drink. He will pee a lot though. Lol
 
Have him tested for protienuria too. Anything over a trace needs to be addressed.... Usually prescribed Benazapril.

Many cats with protienuria also have high blood pressure.
 
Thanks for the info @JanetNJ
have you had any issue with the YA food?
I will be taking him to vet soon to have blood work and will see where the numbers are at. Based on those. I bets all consider sub fluid.
 
luz said:
Thanks for the info @JanetNJ
have you had any issue with the YA food?
I will be taking him to vet soon to have blood work and will see where the numbers are at. Based on those. I bets all consider sub fluid.
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Only one of my 6 had issues with it.... Gives her the runs, but many things give her the runs. I think she has a touch of IBS.

I feed fancy feast in addition to the young again.
 
I have in the past given him 1/4 Pepcid ac
He eats his food (ya) but I. Am tell he doesn't love it anymore. I am just concern about the weekly throwing up which he never did before and the abnormal lab results. Yesterday he had his (ya) food left out and he ate some. Also I gave him for the first time one nugget of nature variety intint raw and he ate 75% of one. And later that night another and same thing. I am getting worried that I am changing his diet again and although I am trying to help him
I am just possibly hurting him because it's not like I really know what I am doing. I almost feel like I should just give him the prescription food that vet recommended. I am just worry something will happen to him because I am trying these raw food that I know so little about.
 
Pephod ac will not help the vomitting and nausea if he's having it he needs something like cerenia for vomiting and zofram, or reglan. All precriptoon drugs you need from vet. He might be to nausea to eat. My Phoebe went 5 days withouT esting. Only because she was put into the hospital did she live. Fatty liver is life threatening. It's important to get him to eat. @Wendy&Neko @Nan & Amber . I have alerted a couple people with more exsperince.
 
Food transitions can be tough on kitty tummies. It's not clear from what you've described if that's what's going on, or if there might be some other underlying problems that are coming to light that could be addressed by anti-nausea and anti-vomiting meds, but it sure sounds like the multiple new foods aren't agreeing with him.

Given his kidney disease, his pickiness with respect to wet food, and (possibly) his sensitive stomach, getting him on "the right" food for diabetic management may not be a battle you can win, at least right now. Generally speaking, when there are other health issues in addition to the diabetes, often the best thing we can do for our cats is to manage those other conditions, and then manage the diabetes around it. If you and your vet (and Junior!) can agree on a food that is appropriate for his kidney disease, that might be the best course of action. It may mean that you are feeding a higher-carb food than is ideal for a diabetic, and mean that he'll have to go back on insulin to keep his BG in line-- so be it.

As Angela says, the complications which can arise from a cat not eating are dire, and to be avoided at all costs, so you don't want him deciding he isn't going to eat a food any more because he felt yucky after a couple of vomiting episodes. If the ya doesn't work for him, it doesn't work, and if the raw food doesn't agree with him, well, out it goes. Given the kidney results, I'd try to stay away from dry foods altogether (although I appreciate that you've been working really really hard trying to find a wet food that he'll eat!), and I'm not sure about the appropriateness of the raw (not that I know it to be bad for kidney disease, I just don't know one way or the other).
 
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