04/19 bailey uk. scariest day so far! +7 31

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anna and bailey.uk england

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well this morning has been the scariest day ive had had dealing with this so far!!

I got up to find bailey sat unusally on his own in the lounge. I tested to find he was at 31.i was shaking. he ate hc food but wouldn't eat his usual sugary yoghurt so I panicked and stupidly shringed a full shringe of hone into him which he then vomited back. ive never been so scaed in my life. even then he only went up to 50.4

I rang the er vet who was on standby. finally hes just eaten his sugary yoghurt that's stayed down and ive got him into safe numbers of 73 (for now)

I was meant to be in work an hou ago but ive rung them and said il be there when I know hes ok. they understand.thank goodness

im going to HAVE to reduce dose and I don't think .25 is enough. I cant put him or me through that again. it as awful!
 
That must have been very scared for you, especially when you were not expecting it. :bighug::bighug:
You did very well under pressure! and have him in safe numbers now.
Is he still eating some more food for you. The sugar in the yogurt will wear off so he will need more food to keep his numbers up.......I am sure you know all this....it is just hard to think straight when you have had a fright like that.
I am pleased your work understands...that is a real plus.

This is usually a really quiet time on the board so I don' t know how many others are here to help you at the moment.
Hope you are feeling a bit better now. Please keep us posted as to how Bailey is going.
 
will do! im not going to work til I know hes coming up on his own.yeah im going to wait now and not feed to see where his bg is going once the yoghurt has worn off. its times like these I want the bounce to kick in and fast. usually I hate him bouncing!
edited to say, hes gone up to 149 an hour after food and yoghurt so its looking good. ......................and breath anna!!!!
 
That is good he has gone to 149. You can breath a bit easier now. The food and yogurt will probably wear off in an hour so you will know where he is at.
Yes, this is when you want the bounce to kick in. :joyful:
Do you have an auto feeder so you can leave food out for him for later? Are you able to come home at all and check him during your lunch hour? It's hard at times like this isn't it, trying to juggle work and kitties
 
Nice catch, Anna, and good job getting him up to safety. An autofeeder is an excellent idea, if you don't already have one. If you don't have one, you can leave out some mc and put some extra water in it to keep it fresh longer. Of course, if Bailey is the kind to eat everything in sight right away, that won't help much. ;)

As for the reduction, you really do need to take it. If it doesn't hold, you can always try just adding a drop instead of going up .25. Some of the people on the East Coast should be up and online soon, so maybe you will get some better advice. Meanwhile, I'm just glad all is okay and Bron was there to keep you company.

Bailey, you be good while Mama is at work!
 
hes ok. hes bounced! yeah I come home every lunch hour and am only at work 4 hours and 3 hours either side of my lunch hour every day hence me not having a pet feeder but I alays leave him food down then throw away whats left when I get in each time. hes a grazer anyway.
im glad we got past the scariest day of my life!
thanks guys!
 
Anna said:
im going to HAVE to reduce dose and I don't think .25 is enough. I cant put him or me through that again. it as awful!
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You did great with handing the "surprise." I know low numbers can be scary. Gabby has dropped into the 20s so I really do understand. But, one question... Was Bailey showing symptoms of hypoglycemia? There's a difference between low numbers and symptomatic hypoglycemia. If you hadn't caught the drop as quickly as you did, there may have been symptoms but from your post, it doesn't seem like there were. Remember, you need to get the numbers below 50 for a dose reduction with TR. Bailey was a bit over zealous in getting that reduction! Next time, go a bit more gently with the high carb! I add 2 - 3 drops of corn syrup or honey to Gabby's LC food to bring up the numbers and then re-test in 30 min. The I repeat as necessary.

I wouldn't suggest decreasing more than 0.25u. Bailey is still spending time in numbers that are above renal threshold and dropping the dose more than 0.25u may only cause him to be in reds and pinks for a longer time.
 
Thanks for letting us know how Bailey went. That is a good arrangement being able to come home each lunchtime to check on Bailey.
Good luck with the reduction.
 
Anna, I agree with Sienne that Bailey could do with just a 0.25u reduction. If you want his blood sugar to flatten out and not be so zig-zag in the cycles, he could do with the higher dose. I see you decreased to 3.0u this morning - if he were mine I'd return to 3.25u with his pm shot.

Decreasing by 0.25u is enough to make a difference.
 
That must have been such a scare. I am not sure if I could have handled it as well as you did Anna. WTG!!

Also one thing for posters to keep in mind ..I see Anna is using an AlphaTrak meter so the numbers she reports are 30-40% higher than the numbers on a human meter.
 
Oh, gosh, Anna. How very frightening for you.
But well done for handling that situation. And don't feel bad for giving that honey; congratulate yourself for having the presence of mind to try to bring the blood glucose level up. Those were seriously low numbers and you needed to get sugar into him pronto.

I now use Dr. Oetker's liquid glucose instead of honey. It's the stuff that's used for baking. And when Bert's numbers have dropped too low I add a few drops to a small amount of normal food or smear it onto freeze dried chicken treats (messy but effective). It seems to get into the system pretty quickly. (However, given the numbers that you saw this morning, I think you were absolutely right to try to give the sugar directly into Bailey's mouth.)

FYI, Just recently (when looking for foods for the UK food list) I found that some of the Sheba in gravy foods appear to have a high carb content, and are probably very similar to what the US folks use to steer numbers. I'm going to get a couple of cans for my own hypo kit, and maybe you should get some too ;). Here's the link for more info:
UK, high carb gravy food for Hypo Kit.

I hope all that adrenalin is out of your system now. (Drinking lots of water helps...)

Hugs,

Eliz
 
...or drinking wine helps too eliz ;-) that's also good to know about the brand of food.

Julie I dropped dose to 3.25 not 3 today so I hope that was right.

thanks sienna yes I went abit crazy with the sugar hit today hence him vomiting.bless him! I just panicked. I found him just laid on the mat when I got up which wwas very unusual and he was wobbly. it scared the hell out of me. but we made it and hes playing and his usual mischievious self :-D
 
Wow Anna you have come such a long way from when you first got here! You are doing all the right things on your own. :):)
Bailey you can stop this now Mum's got a full day. :D
 
Great catch today Anna. I am so glad you were home for that and Bron was around to keep you company. How was Bailey acting at that 31? I once helped someone who had just started testing and he got a 29 on his first test with the AT. :eek::eek: The cat was acting fine and I was trying not to"scream" through the message board. Very scary indeed.:bighug:

Now that you are at the lower doses .25u can make a difference.
 
@Tuxedo Mom, when you get into the low numbers, there is little to no difference between a human and veterinary glucometer. The variance starts kicking in around 70 with just 5-10 points and goes up from there as the BGs rise.
 
Tricia & Cinco said:
...when you get into the low numbers, there is little to no difference between a human and veterinary glucometer. The variance starts kicking in around 70 with just 5-10 points and goes up from there as the BGs rise.
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@Tricia & Cinco ,
Hi, that's very interesting, I didn't know that. Do you know of any reference/s for that info that I might read anywhere?
Thanks,
Eliz
 
Tricia & Cinco said:
@Tuxedo Mom, when you get into the low numbers, there is little to no difference between a human and veterinary glucometer. The variance starts kicking in around 70 with just 5-10 points and goes up from there as the BGs rise.
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Actually there is still a difference in the numbers. I did comparisons betwwe AT2 and FSLite readings for a few months. Unfortunatley I did not keep all the data but here are some examples I did. I have more but have not bothered updating since it is pretty consistent. With an AT2 meter once a cat falls below 3.3 mmol/l (60) they need to be monitored for possible hypo signs. This would be equivalent to a human number of 2.14 mmol/l (40)

Here is an article on comparing the two types of meters:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oI_34_EgqeKdpyttFW0oLoG1mbw16IkATAWHhoQD2JU/pub

Edited: here are a couple more example I did recentlyboth from the same drop of blood(sorry these are in mmol/l)
April 7 AT2 6.3 FSLite 4.3
April 8 AT2 24.6 FSLite 17.0
April12 AT2 22.2 FSLite 15.9
April 20 AT2 7.10 FSLite 4.9
This is basically the same pattern I had in the past when I tested against the two meter types.

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...-monitor-fslite-human-monitor-updated.135726/
 
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Tuxedo Mom said:
With an AT2 meter once a cat falls below 3.3 mmol/l (60) they need to be monitored for possible hypo signs. This would be equivalent to a human number of 2.14 mmol/l (40)
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Thanks for this, Mary Ann @Tuxedo Mom
Actually this is very similar to my experience of comparing the AT with the One Touch Ultra. At lower numbers I found about a 1 mmol (18 mg/dl) difference. But I didn't get the chance to compare numbers lower than 3 mmol (on the OTU), so I have no experience of what happens at numbers lower than that.
 
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