02/20 Frank PM, Saw vet, got meds, sleeping comfortably

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Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten. Give insulin?

I don't know what you mean by still hasn't eaten, as I have just logged on. When did he eat last?
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten. Give insulin?

I just looked at your ss.
Does he get Pepcid? The little bits of clear vomit in the morning can be from acid tummy from not eating for a long period during the night.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten. Give insulin?

He actually vomited digested food yesterday. He hasn't eaten since AMPS yesterday. :/ we've tried everything to get him to eat. He's been nauseated. We gave him something for nausea/appetite last night. He can only have one every three days and ha s a slow onset so...could be tonight before it kicks in.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten. Give insulin?

Are you home today? If so, I would give the insulin. Can you syringe feed him, if necessary? Cats can't go too long without eating.
I'm going to search for your last post.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten. Give insulin?

Thanks for adding the link.
I would give the insulin, or at least some insulin. What do you think? What is your day like, today? Otherwise, he will be going more than 24 hours without insulin if you skip.
We use Ondansetron for nausea. You'd have to talk to his vet about that.
I hope the Mirtz kicks in soon. Have you tried slightly warming up his food to mouse temperature, or all meat baby food?
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten. Give insulin?

Edited to include post at top. Sorry, got in a rush and skipped it.

I won't be home all day. I leave for school right at +3.5 and don'don't get home until +10.5. Then I have to leave right after he usually gets his shot at +12 pm. He had dry heaves at +10 this morning so I am about afraid to give him food. No pepcid on hand either and nothing is open here yet.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten. Give insulin?

Excuse me, I meant, give him food per syringe, I have given him food (and tried the bag of tricks Julie suggested). We just had another cat go through this and despite our diligent sanitation efforts, I think Frank has the same thing. That cat didn'didn't eat for three days, but then he was fine. My worry is more with how this is going to work with Frank being diabetic.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

If you think it's a tummy bug, I wonder if he would eat something bland like boiled chicken breast.
 
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Would you be comfortable giving him a reduced dose, just to put something into his shed?
The vet might be able to give Frank something to help with his tummy issues.
I would feel the same way. If Ginger had a tummy ache I would let it ride for a time, but if J.D. has a tummy ache for a while, then it's off to the vet we go. Diabetics have to eat.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

I tried lunch meat and roast beef. I have some cooked chicken breast I made for him. Going to try that now.

Edit: Yay for autocorrect-o-nese and breastfeeding chickens. Sometimes I wonder if autocorrect is programmed to be silly.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

No go with the chicky. :/ I will pick up some pepcid and baby food between classes. If he hasn't shown interest in food by this PM, Brian is going to take him to the vet.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

Thank you for all the help and suggestions this morning. I have to go get ready for school. I hope you have a great day!
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

You want Pepcid AC (original strength, 10mg tablets), not Pepcid Complete. Post before giving any.

I hope he decides to eat soon. Pepcid is for acid tummy. It may not help for nausea. I would talk to your vet about an anti-nausea med. You may also want to ask about using Cyproheptadine instead of Mirtazapine for an appetite stimulant. Cypro can be given twice a day, where as Mirtz is only given once every 3 days and can make cats over stimulated.

Sending tummy feel better vines and better appetite vines to Frank.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

It's important to give insulin -- even a little. If Frank isn't eating well and the cause is an infection, with these high numbers, you are risking ketones developing especially if you're not giving insulin. Please get a ketone test.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

for the Cyproheptadine and Ondansetron.... my vet gave me a prescription to take to the human pharmacy.... they don't all keep these drugs at the vets....
They were cheap prescriptions.
 
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rhiannon and shadow said:
for the Cyproheptadine and Ondansetron.... my vet gave me a prescription to take to the human pharmacy.... they don't all keep these drugs at the vets....
They were cheap prescriptions.
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My local grocery store pharmacy wanted $3.33 per pill for Ondansetron. I buy it at CostCo Pharmacy (where you don't need to be a member to use their pharmacy) for less than $0.33 cents a pill. So, they are cheap, just shop around.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

Sending healing tummy and good appy vines.

Don't let him go too long without eating. It could be something more serious. I took too long to take my Kisa to the vet for not eating, and we lost him. Please stay on top of it.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

Hi

wondering how Frank is doing? Sending prayers for Frank to feel better and want to eat.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

checking back in on frank too. hope he's perked up and is eating by now.

i agree with Sienne's comments about ketones - time to check for them asap.

the recipe for ketones is not enough food + not enough insulin + infection.

it sounds like he's got all 3 factors in the equation.

can you syringe feed him?
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

I hope Frank went to the vet and is eating better tonight.

Please get a ketone test as soon as you are able, and let us know how he is doing.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

Tina

I think the meds in order of importance are

(1) insulin with monitoring ketones
(2)ondansetron for nausea; this can be given every 12 hours. It's also known as zofran.
(3) cerenia for vomiting; they used to say it could only be given for three days but that's old info. You only give it once a day,though.
(4) cyproheptadine as an appetite stimulant once the nausea has been addressed; vets like to give mirtazapine because you only have to give it every three days but it does not treat nausea and I think it makes a lot of cats irritable and sometimes hyper.
(5) 1/4 of a 10 mg Pepcid AC. You must be sure it's Pepcid AC and it has to be 10 mg.

Keep trying to give him food via syringe. Sending tons of healing vines!

Please let us know how he's doing.
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

Just got home from school. Frank did go to the vet. I'll leave an update within' the hour. Got to do something real quick. He is okay though and has had insulin. Brb...
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

Okay. I didn't get to go to the vet with him so not much control over how that went down and I have very basic information. Vet says he has a tummy bug and should be fine within a few days. He was given fluids, a shot for nausea, a shot for vomiting, and a shot of antibiotics. I have no clue what any of them were. We were told to test him at regular shot times and through the day and give half a dose if he goes high, but to otherwise forget about the schedule until he eats. Because his stomach is upset, he figures that he will throw food up if his stomach is raw. We were told to just continue offering food , using the aforementioned bag of tricks. That'That's about what I have at this point. He had 1.5 units of insulin an hour ago and we are offering food every little bit and monitoring him. nailbite_smile
 
Re: 02/20 Frank +12 569 still hasn't eaten.

Fatina Marie said:
...a shot of antibiotics. ...
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Was it Convenia? If so, there is a black box warning on it due to a substantial increased risk of kidney insult. Keep an eye on urine output and thirst for changes. Sorry - got that mixed up with Metacam.

And many antibiotics kill off the good bacteria along with the bad bacteria. A probiotic may be helpful - Forti Flora, Intelliflora, or if not dairy sensitive, 1-2 teaspoons of plain yogurt with active cultures.
 
Was it Convenia? If so, there is a black box warning on it due to a substantial increased risk of kidney insult. Keep an eye on urine output and thirst for changes.
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The black box warning for cats is on Metacam not Convenia; the issue with Convenia is that once it's in, you can't get it out and it can remain in the system for quite a long time (longer than two weeks). Most of us don't give Convenia but some do. My Gracie had a severe reaction to it when she was 3 and it was brand new.
 
I get feedback frequently about the covenia. :lol:
I have done the oral antibiotics and I don't mind it. The Covenia is what works best for his situation, though. He gets it once every three weeks and probably will until the teeth go bye bye.
 
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