? 02-18 Panzer safe crushing pills to mix in food or pill pocketing?PMPS 96/87@+4/89@+6/92@+7

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Panzer is acting a little out of the ordinary, just sleeping more, meatloaf position some, & him & Spook his brother from another mother kinda got into it last night. There was fur flying & I had to calm Panzer down. They always play fight but this was different. I have seen him do this one other time with my one of my daughters cats. That was almost 2yrs ago. I decided to get some meds for Panzer at the vet because I didn't feel comfortable with him just having the convenia shot for his bladder infection. I asked for Zeniquin & Buprenorphine. They gave me Zeniquin 25MG tablets, give 1/2 tablet by mouth twice a day for 10 days. Is it ok to crush this up & put it in his food? They gave me onsior 6mg tablets for pain 2 tablets by mouth once a day for pain. Is it ok to crush these up as well? The big question is should I give him either one? I also got the D Mannose pure powder healthy urinary tract today as well! What should I give him? He's eating, peeing, pooping, purring, & playing just fine, just a little more sleepy than usual. @FrostD @Suzanne & Darcy @Katherine&Ruby @Diane Tyler's Mom @Wendy&Neko @Bama Kitty Mom (GA) @Bron and Sheba (GA) @tiffmaxee https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB...y-disease-71-4-86-5-93-7.259466/#post-2915332
 
I'm sorry I don't know a lot about those specific meds, but it does sound like he isn't feeling well and needs something
 
tiffmaxee said:
I don’t like onsior for pain. It’s an NSAID.
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Ok just Googled NSAID not giving that!:cat: he wouldn't give me the buprenorphine, I tried but it was a no go. I'm more worried about giving the antibiotic to help clear up the infection. Do you know anything about Zeniquin?
 
Added note he is still running the house after meals ( playtime) he also got my plate that I left the lid to the cheese dip for my breadsticks on & got a good taste of that so that's definitely Panzer being himself :rolleyes: & last night he helped himself to the Vaseline that I use when testing his ear! :rolleyes:I don't plan on starting the antibiotics until morning but hopefully I can get some input from one of the others that I tagged before then.
 
Chrispooky12 said:
Ok just Googled NSAID not giving that!:cat: he wouldn't give me the buprenorphine, I tried but it was a no go. I'm more worried about giving the antibiotic to help clear up the infection. Do you know anything about Zeniquin?
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I never used zenequin. . I see it is used a lot. Was a culture and sensitivity run?
 
tiffmaxee said:
I never used zenequin. . I see it is used a lot. Was a culture and sensitivity run?
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No they weren't I don't think he should have come out of retirement to tell you the truth! He just said there's lots of bacteria in his urine & he had a bladder infection o_O
 
So I was just Googling stuff & found where the convenia shot has caused kidney failure in cats!:mad: I also found some old posts on here that Google caught from 2014 & 2017 safe pill pockets for cats
 
Never used zenequin or onsior. Onsior is only to be used max 3 days according to the manufacturer.

There used to be allergy free duck and pea pill pockets that were low carb. Cat version no longer made, not sure if dog ones still are.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Never used zenequin or onsior. Onsior is only to be used max 3 days according to the manufacturer.

There used to be allergy free duck and pea pill pockets that were low carb. Cat version no longer made, not sure if dog ones still are.
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I read bad things about Onsior but haven't Googled Zeniquin yet. What is wrong with Zeniquin? @Wendy&Neko
 
For a bladder infection, you need to give an antibiotic designed to tackle the kind of infection he has. A culture and sensitivity test on the urine tells you what type of bacteria. Was a culture done? There have been lots of cats here on zenequin. I've never had to deal with a urine infection so cannot comment on that particular type of antibiotic.
 
Sorry I didn’t see this earlier. I don’t like Onsior because it’s rough on the kidneys of cats.

I think you can crush the Zeniquin tablets but getting a cat to eat it in food is another story. Can you get him to eat pill pockets? Is he a chewer or a gobbler? There is a way to open up Temptation treats and get pills in there too — especially the double stuffed ones…. and yes everyone, I know Temptations are not low carb.
 
What did you read about Zeniquin? I have had many cats on Zeniquin and also Baytril for UTIs and other infections and none of them had any problems (unlike Clavamox which will make quite a few of my cats have vomiting and diarrhea.)

If you read about any drugs, even antibiotics, there are always lists of scary possibilities. For example, Baytril can cause blindness in cats, but that is when the dose has been too high. I stayed away from using it for years, until I had no choice and it also became known that the blindness was because of too high doses. I’m not saying don’t read the drug info; I am a huge drug info reader myself. I want to know. It’s good to be informed. But even if my cat has a UTI and I get a culture done and they prescribe the exact “right” antibiotic for the situation— we could still have side effects.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
For a bladder infection, you need to give an antibiotic designed to tackle the kind of infection he has. A culture and sensitivity test on the urine tells you what type of bacteria. Was a culture done? There have been lots of cats here on zenequin. I've never had to deal with a urine infection so cannot comment on that particular type of antibiotic.
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No he didn't do a culture, he was in retirement & probably should have stayed
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Sorry I didn’t see this earlier. I don’t like Onsior because it’s rough on the kidneys of cats.

I think you can crush the Zeniquin tablets but getting a cat to eat it in food is another story. Can you get him to eat pill pockets? Is he a chewer or a gobbler? There is a way to open up Temptation treats and get pills in there too — especially the double stuffed ones…. and yes everyone, I know Temptations are not low carb.
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He is a gobbler, I have temptation treats for hypo kit but not double stuffed ones, he swallows them whole.
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
What did you read about Zeniquin? I have had many cats on Zeniquin and also Baytril for UTIs and other infections and none of them had any problems (unlike Clavamox which will make quite a few of my cats have vomiting and diarrhea.)

If you read about any drugs, even antibiotics, there are always lists of scary possibilities. For example, Baytril can cause blindness in cats, but that is when the dose has been too high. I stayed away from using it for years, until I had no choice and it also became known that the blindness was because of too high doses. I’m not saying don’t read the drug info; I am a huge drug info reader myself. I want to know. It’s good to be informed. But even if my cat has a UTI and I get a culture done and they prescribe the exact “right” antibiotic for the situation— we could still have side effects.
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So should I try the antibiotics ?
 
You know, you can use both antibiotics and D-Mannose. One will not work against the other. If my cat has a confirmed UTI (cocci seen in urine under microscope) I would be giving a full course of antibiotics. UTIs are sooo uncomfortable! I also would not want to give the infection a chance to possibly migrate up into the kidneys.
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
I do wish they had done a culture and susceptibility testing though!
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I do to, that's one reason I'm looking for another vet because he's obviously to old to be working God love him. Plus they don't take care credit. I ordered some double stuffed chicken temptation treats for curbside pickup I'm just waiting for them to ready for pickup. Hopefully 2 a day won't hurt his #s too much & hopefully it works!
 
hopefully Panzer will just gobble down the temptation treat with the pill in it.
In the remarks column on your SS I would write the day he starts the Zeniquin
Good luck Christina ♥ you cannot also do a search on our board, GI up top and where it says search type in Zeniquin and scroll through them
 
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Diane Tyler's Mom said:
hopefully Panzer will just gobble down the temptation treat with the pill in it.
In the remarks column on your SS I would write the day he starts the Zeniquin
Good luck Christina ♥ you cannot also do a search on our board, GI up top and where it says search type in Zeniquin and scroll through them
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Thank you Diane, I searched it & it looks like alot of people use it, that makes me feel better❤
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
Yep, a lot of people have used it. I'm sure Panzer will be ok. :bighug::bighug::bighug::cat:
Let me know if he took it in the temptation
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I actually found some greenies feline pill pockets, all they had was salmon flavor which I don't give them any kind of fish products, but I am looking at the ingredients right now compared to the temptations to see which ones I want to try. Of course I have myself locked in my bedroom because he would be all over me if he knew what I had:p
 
Chrispooky12 said:
Thank you. Is it best to give it on an empty stomach or does it matter?
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Zeniquin is either administered orally in tablet form or compounded into a liquid solution. In its liquid formulation, the medication should be shaken well and measured well into doses. The drug is ideally administered on an empty stomach, but if your pet vomits when administered without food, future doses should be given with food.
from: https://www.vetrxdirect.com/product/view/zeniquin-antibiotic-for-dogs-rx
 
Larry and Kitties said:
Zeniquin is either administered orally in tablet form or compounded into a liquid solution. In its liquid formulation, the medication should be shaken well and measured well into doses. The drug is ideally administered on an empty stomach, but if your pet vomits when administered without food, future doses should be given with food.
from: https://www.vetrxdirect.com/product/view/zeniquin-antibiotic-for-dogs-rx
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Ok thank you, I gave it to him at +9.5 AMPS He ate last at +8. It's a pill form, so I gave it to him in a pill pocket.
 
I always give it with food. Here’s why - I will NEVER dry pill a cat. You should always give either a little food or water after pilling a cat in order to avoid esophageal injury. There is documented evidence in the veterinary journals of esophageal injury to cats from being dry pilled. Think about swallowing a pill yourself and not then following it up with at least a drink of water. But our cats don’t go to the water bowl after we pill them. But you were planning to mix in food anyway, right, because he’s too difficult to pill?
 
Chrispooky12 said:
I gave Panzer his first Zeniquin 25MG 1/2 tablet in a greenie feline salmon flavored pill pocket @+9.5 AMPS. He ate last @+8 AMPS, he loved it. Watching him now for any side effects!
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Good. You can even follow it up with an extra pill pocket or two (I always do - or give a few pieces of Dr. Elsey’s Clean Protein kibble after — that’s very popular!
 
Chrispooky12 said:
So should I try the antibiotics ?
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With the infection he needs antibiotics or things could get worse very muc worse I personally have never used zenequin so I can't coment on that one.

Regarding the d-manosse it is really helpful with UTI and at least with Babu-Chiri it has never altered his blood glucosa levels you should monitor Panzer though you can disolve it in a little bit of water and give it to him with the help of a syringe like you wold give water after giving a pill for example but it can not substitute antibiotics you need to have both
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
I always give it with food. Here’s why - I will NEVER dry pill a cat. You should always give either a little food or water after pilling a cat in order to avoid esophageal injury. There is documented evidence in the veterinary journals of esophageal injury to cats from being dry pilled. Think about swallowing a pill yourself and not then following it up with at least a drink of water. But our cats don’t go to the water bowl after we pill them. But you were planning to mix in food anyway, right, because he’s too difficult to pill?
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I gave it to him in a greenie salmon flavored pill pocket, he loved it. I will give it to him again right before his +8 feeding coming up in about 30mins. I didn't know that about the esophageal issue but it makes sense. Thank you @Suzanne & Darcy
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Good. You can even follow it up with an extra pill pocket or two (I always do - or give a few pieces of Dr. Elsey’s Clean Protein kibble after — that’s very popular!
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I have some Dr. Elsey's clean protein chicken but it's still at my ex roommates house. He only has his to upper 2 teeth. He got 15 teeth pulled on October 20th last year & hasn't had any dry food since. He is a freak about dry food, so really don't want to go there again.
 
Veronica & Babu-chiri said:
With the infection he needs antibiotics or things could get worse very muc worse I personally have never used zenequin so I can't coment on that one.

Regarding the d-manosse it is really helpful with UTI and at least with Babu-Chiri it has never altered his blood glucosa levels you should monitor Panzer though you can disolve it in a little bit of water and give it to him with the help of a syringe like you wold give water after giving a pill for example but it can not substitute antibiotics you need to have both
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I am giving him the Zeniquin now his first one was @+9.5 AMPS today. Should I wait to start the D Mannose to see if he has any side effects from the Zeniquin?
 
I do not think you have to worry about the D-Mannose causing problems. You can separate them of course. Antibiotic first and then later on the D-mannose. You can mix it in food too.
 
Just a question: did they tell you to give him the Zeniquin twice a day? Normally it is administered once a day - that’s one reason I like it. But I suppose this is just an alternative way of doing it. I wonder how it affects the concentration of the antibiotic in his urinary tract. I’m going to try to find out now because I’m curious.
 
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