01/05 Ivana +7=187, +10=139, PMPS=97, +2=59, +2.5=67, +3=67, +4=59, +4.5=65, +5=83, +6=130

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Tara & Ivana (GA)

Tara & Ivana (GA)

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Yesterday's not so good vet visit post

Ivana had a really good PM cycle last night! A nice green surf, and the slowly in the blues to end up at yellow for AMPS this morning. Very pleased. Keep it up please!

Got the morning urine sample which I will drop into the vet today. *Still* waiting for a poop. We're on her third poopless day now. She is still eating (although a bit fussier than normal) and seems herself though, not like Sunday, so I am optimistic that the issue will resolve itself. I've been mixing 1t of mashed pumpkin into each of her meals, nothing yet. I forgot to try the olive oil last night (was half asleep doing the test) so will try that today instead of the Laxapet. She seems to like the pumpkin, so from now on I will do Bron's trick of just adding a bit to each meal.

As for us beans, well, we've been better. Didn't get much sleep last night due to worry, and I've dedicated today to researching CKD (although I do need to go to the vet and do some shopping). I will no doubt have lots of questions as I begin my quest for knowledge, does anyone know if there's a special CKD thread going on somewhere? Obviously it's not L&LL specific but I couldn't see anything in the Feline Health forum. If not, where should I post CKD questions?
 
Hi Tara,
I hope Ivana poops today for you.
You have had some good advice already on your last thread re the CRD.
I agree with Amy that it is important to get Ivana's BP checked to see it is in normal range. There are meds that can be given if it is high. When I take Sheba in for a BP check I keep her carrier covered with a towel and get the BP done first so that hopefully she isn't too stressed.
Also I would add some extra warm fluids to her food and make it more soupy....if she will eat it that way. So far I have been able to avoid Subcut fliuds (antijinx) by adding the extra fluids to her food. It is really important CRD cats stay hydrated.
While you are out today shopping I would buy a bit of human meat for her to try. I only give Sheba cooked chicken because raw seems to upset her tummy,,. But she can eat raw chicken heart and liver ( only give small amounts as they are higher in phosphorus) ....without any problem. Stick to chicken thigh or drumstick for now. Sheba will eat raw kangaroo and beef.......not sure if you will go the kangaroo but it is an excellent meat for them.....free range and full of essential nutrients. I found the raw lamb a bit fatty for Sheba with her pancreatitis but she loves it. I do not give any of the raw commercial pet food as I don't think the quality is good enough and I like to know what is going in the food. So try Ivana on a few different nibbles of the raw/fresh meats to see if she will eat them. You can buy the kangaroo meat in the human raw food section at Woolies. Freeze it in small portions so you can get it out as needed. I never keep the raw meat in the fridge for more than 24 hours before freezing it. I buy the Kangaroo steak, it is a bit cheaper than the fillet. I don't use the mince but it may be OK. It looks like it has all the off cuts in it though as it has a lot of sinews in it.

I see slippery elm powder was mentioned .........Sheba gets an acid tummy when it is empty......I use SEBpowder and think it is great. It has reduced her little white frothy vomits to only occasionally. I give it routinely twice a day a way from medications because it coats the tummy. I give it 3am ( in the autofeeder) and 3pm.
You can buy the SEBpowder at any health food shop. Just make sure it is pure with no additives. I will tell you how to make the slurry ( which Marje told me) later. It is simple to make and only takes 5 minutes.

You might like to join the CRD suppport group on Tanya's CRD website. The site is full of information and the support group is very active and knowledgeable. I joined it before I joined this forum and found them really good. I rarely use it now though. You go into the site and you will see the support group option on the side I think it is. You can post your lab reports there and they will comment on them too.
I will start a different thread for the raw food diet.
Hang on there....there is a lot you can do for Ivana.:bighug:
 
Thankyou! I think Tanya's site is one of the links that someone posted yesterday, I will join there too. I will be going through all of those links today, so much information to process. I'll get all that food you mentioned and the slippery elm bark powder. I'm happy to get her kangaroo too, and can even make mince out of it in the food processor. (I really hope she likes all this meat, because we don't eat it and I don't know what we will do with it if she doesn't like it!)

Also going to get the Miralax equivalent, can't remember what it's called now - OptiLax or something - although she seems to like the pumpkin, I'd like to have it on hand just incase. I will also start adding some water to her food, although she is drinking a bit more these days anyway due to her FD being high recently. But still, can't hurt to have extra!

Ok I'm off to get ready to go out, do a +3 in 10mins, then hit the shops with my list. If only it would stop raining for just a little while it would make things a lot more pleasant!
 
I cut up the meats I do not mince it.....it is not as good for some reason .....I can't think why though......too early in the morning and my brain has not got into gear. I think it is something to do with the taurine being lost with the greater surface of the meat being exposed. Also greater risk of contamination for same reason.
But if she will only eat it that way go for it. We have to add extra taurine anyway.

ETA I would not bother to get the heart and liver just yet. You only need tiny amount of each because they are organ meats and have higher phosphorus levels.. I would stick with the muscle meat at the moment. Don't get chicken Breast....the leg meat is much better....more muscle therefore more taurine and it is lower in phosphorus.
 
Darn on the no poop - I was hoping for a positive report today.

Dehydration can make her more constipated, so I do as Bron does and add lots of water to Neko's food. I'm not using SEB yet. Neko does very occasionally get acid tummy, but I've recently switched to a before bed small snack of FD chicken and that seems to be doing the trick (anitjinx). Neko is on enough meds I'm trying to cut down where I can.
Bron and Sheba said:
I cut up the meats I do not mince it.....it is not as good for some reason .....I can't think why though..
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With pieces of meat, kitties have to chew more, so it better for their teeth. I buy some meat mince, and some are ground but not finely so still have some chewable size pieces in them. I occasionally buy raw chicken gizzards and dunk them in boiling water (to remove bacteria), then serve pieces of that as natural toothbrushes.
 
No. I will give you a site later today where you can buy all the supplements. You need to see first if she will eat the raw.
Just get the SEB powder and the muscle meats. You can feed up to 20% of raw food and the other canned food without supplements and it is fine. You will need to do the change over slowly anyway.
Do you have eggs in the house? Not sure if you eat them. If not you will need to buy a dozen of those too. you will need those for the egg whites.
 
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Wendy&Neko said:
With pieces of meat, kitties have to chew more, so it better for their teeth. I buy some meat mince, and some are ground but not finely so still have some chewable size pieces in them. I occasionally buy raw chicken gizzards and dunk them in boiling water (to remove bacteria), then serve pieces of that as natural toothbrushes.
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@Wendy&Neko
I give gizzards occasionally to Sheba but she can demolish them ...a whole gizzard.....in less then 2 or 3 minutes. She is a shocker when it comes to something she loves.
So now I give her a raw lamb chop bone with most of the meat cut of and she will gnaw that for ages.
I also sometimes leave the kangaroo in large chunks for her to gnaw at.
 
We don't eat eggs but we do have chickens, two of them are still laying so I could have access to 1-2 eggs per day. What are the egg whites for?

Good idea re the chunks for chewing. Less work for us too ;)
 
To help reduce the phosphorus in the food, you add an egg WHITE a day in place of some of the meat. Half morning and half night mashed up finely. Egg white has very little phosphorus. I will explain it fully later for you. You will also need the egg shells for the egg shell powder you will make in place of the bone meal ...that further reduces the phosphorus in the food. Are your chooks egg shells nice and hard?
 
Bron and Sheba said:
@Wendy&Neko
I give gizzards occasionally to Sheba but she can demolish them ...a whole gizzard.....in less then 2 or 3 minutes. She is a shocker when it comes to something she loves.
So now I give her a raw lamb chop bone with most of the meat cut of and she will gnaw that for ages.
I also sometimes leave the kangaroo in large chunks for her to gnaw at.
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question… chicken gizzards ok for renal and FD kittys?
 
I'm back after my successful shopping trip, I got everything on Bron's list so I'm good to go :-)

Before I left this morning I filled Ivana's automatic feeder for her lunch, and put in some Weruva (not sure if it's CKD-approved but it was open in the fridge), 1t of pumpkin, and some water. I think I must have made it too sloppy, because she didn't eat it. When I came home just now and saw it untouched, I added some tuna to it to thicken it up, and she ate a little but not much. I've learnt my lesson, not too much water!

I also dropped off her urine sample to the vet this morning and waited for the results, so will upload them shortly. Given that Ivana still hasn't pooped, they gave me an enema to give her at home (less stressful than doing it at the vet) so if she still hasn't gone by the time Darryn gets home from work tonight, things will get interesting in our house. To be honest, I'd just have to look at it and want to poop, it really doesn't look appealing!

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Skooter ended up with two enemas, but they were done at each of the ERs he was at. The first one did a little, but not much, but I think he was pretty blocked by that point. THe vet said on doing the second one, even though he was semi-sedated for it, as soon as she got the hard piece that was sitting at the opening, he just went himself, she actually commented on how long he went for (poor bubba).....once he was cleared out, it took him a few more days before he was eating normally and a few days after that to get him pooping again.....

Good luck with the at home enema! Poop patrol is here!
 
mine won't eat anything with extra water either--
good luck with the poop plunger:eek:
I can only imagine Ivanas little face with the enema …. :banghead:
 
Ivana's complete labs from today and yesterday. The urinalysis from this morning is on the third page, ignore the first two if you've already seen what I uploaded yesterday.
 

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jayla said:
did they give you a lubricant for the enema? maybe ky jelly or astro glide?? vaseline?
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I'll use KY.
Bron and Sheba said:
That looks like a human micro lax enema. Did they say to give the lot?
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Yup, the lot. And make sure she's near the litter tray when we do it :eek: I noticed it was on the feline constipation page that someone linked to yesterday, so I guess it must be ok!
 
Tara & Ivana said:
I'll use KY.

Yup, the lot. And make sure she's near the litter tray when we do it :eek: I noticed it was on the feline constipation page that someone linked to yesterday, so I guess it must be ok!
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Yes I would put some newspaper down around the place I think because it might leak out or she might have to go urgently. Good luck!
 
Ivana gave me a green PMPS :D She seems to like this dose!

I'm not quite sure what she thinks of the chicken drumstick. I cut off about the same amount as what she'd get with 1/2 tin, and put it in her bowl. She picked up a bit and chewed at it, then walked away and sat nearby. I thought maybe she's not used to having to actually bite pieces off, so I cut it up into large cubes for her. She ate a bit more, but has walked away again. However, she doesn't normally eat her whole dinner all at once, so that's normal.

Still no poop, so we're going to do the enema after our dinner so we don't lose our appetites :eek: She's got about an hour to push it out herself, or we're coming after her!
 
Good luck, and sending poo vines.

May I suggest you make sure that she's not on something you don't want pooped on, like sofa or bed, after the enema!
Enema could give them a real sudden "urge", and they don't always make it to the box!
 
Good idea Mariko! Luckily her litter tray is in an ensuite bathroom, so we're going to do the enema in there and then leave her in there with the door closed for a bit. I'm kinda nervous about doing it...
 
Ivana's +2 was quite a drop from PMPS. I think because she only ate a small amount of dinner. I have just given her 1/2 tin 8c food. We had planned to do the enema after her +2, but now I'm thinking I should keep an eye on her BGL instead. Should I wait to see what her numbers are doing first and foremost, or is ok to do the enema now? Is she likely to want to be poked afterwards?
 
I think you need to see what she does with the blood sugar first. you don't want her dropping any lower and not wanting to eat because she is too uncomfortable with the enema
 
Yeah that's what we thought too. Thanks for confirming. It's never just one thing, is it?!

I'm about to dunk the chicken in boiling water now, so even though she has the tin to eat hopefully she will like the chicken too.
 
She's up a bit at +2.5. Will check again at +3. Depending on what her numbers do, she might not get this enema tonight after all.
 
Stable at +3. Next test at +4.

I have a feeling the enema will be done in the morning, as she's probably going to drop soon as the Lantus kicks in. That, and Darryn is going to bed soon and it's a two-person job. Sorry Banana Girl, you'll have to wait a bit longer.
 
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