6/27 Mister PMPS 104 +2 131 +3.75 86 +5.75 72 +8 99

[Elizabeth & Mister]

6/26 Mister AMPS 262 +1.5 167 +2 119 +2.75 103 +3 97 +4 95 +6 88 +9.5 98 PMPS 134 +2.5 124 +5 94 +7 99

Mister has only had LC food today and his drops have been safe and steady! I'm really excited about that.

I just have a quick question about bounces and maybe needing some clarity. Since his +7 last night was 99, and his AMPS was 248, he obviously bounced sometime between the hours of +7-12. He has cleared that bounce today thankfully but does this mean his BG will continue to drop until PMPS? I'm not sure if this is always the case on bounce breaking cycles or just one way that it can play out. Bounces can happen/start at any point in a cycle, right? And they can also break at any point too?

I hope everyone is having a nice Caturday. I've been helping my parents in their vegetable garden this morning, I'm trying to learn as much as I can. My wildflowers are coming up so fast! I hope they bring lots of butterflies and bees.
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[JoM]

This all looks so positive Elizabeth. Yeah bounces are hard to predict for me too. I think Karamelle is just sensitive to anything under 100, and posibly low 100's as well. But right now I dont have to worry about that, sigh. Mister's numbers are looking great!!

I have a pollinator garden as well. I just love seeing all the butterflies and bees enjoying my flowers. Im not as good at growing vegetables although I have grown some potatoes and carrots. I grew one melon once. It was about the size of a baseball, lol, but it tasted good. And since Im in Southern California, I also have a guava tree (the squirrels havent let me have any in a few years tho) and I have banana trees. Two of them have bananas on them now. They are soooo good.

 

[Elizabeth & Mister]

This all looks so positive Elizabeth. Yeah bounces are hard to predict for me too. I think Karamelle is just sensitive to anything under 100, and posibly low 100's as well. But right now I dont have to worry about that, sigh. Mister's numbers are looking great!!

I have a pollinator garden as well. I just love seeing all the butterflies and bees enjoying my flowers. Im not as good at growing vegetables although I have grown some potatoes and carrots. I grew one melon once. It was about the size of a baseball, lol, but it tasted good. And since Im in Southern California, I also have a guava tree (the squirrels havent let me have any in a few years tho) and I have banana trees. Two of them have bananas on them now. They are soooo good.

Bounces can make us feel crazy, can't they? I know seeing so many pinks is so frustrating but please hang in there, you're doing great and once she reaches a better dose, you'll have a better grasp on how to manage her curves and keep her in those nice lower numbers. A marathon, not a race. She will get there!

A guava AND a banana tree! This mid-western girl is a bit jealous. How cool is that. I'm not the best with growing vegetables yet either, but my mom is and I'm trying to learn from her. She's in her 70s, my stepdad late 70s, and their garden is huge, I'm so proud of them for working so hard on it every year. She really enjoys it and it shows by her green thumbs and the baskets of vegetables she brings in every summer. Wildflowers were a "beginner-friendly" way for me to start, just scatter and water, lol.

 

[JoM]

Bounces can make us feel crazy, can't they? I know seeing so many pinks is so frustrating but please hang in there, you're doing great and once she reaches a better dose, you'll have a better grasp on how to manage her curves and keep her in those nice lower numbers. A marathon, not a race. She will get there!

A guava AND a banana tree! This mid-western girl is a bit jealous. How cool is that. I'm not the best with growing vegetables yet either, but my mom is and I'm trying to learn from her. She's in her 70s, my stepdad late 70s, and their garden is huge, I'm so proud of them for working so hard on it every year. She really enjoys it and it shows by her green thumbs and the baskets of vegetables she brings in every summer. Wildflowers were a "beginner-friendly" way for me to start, just scatter and water, lol.

Im also from the mid-west (Chicago suburbs). But Ive been out here longer, moved to California in 1989. Couldnt stand the winters anymore. Im just a tad younger than your mom. Will be 70 this year.

 

[Mary & Jude]

6/26 Mister AMPS 262 +1.5 167 +2 119 +2.75 103 +3 97 +4 95 +6 88 +9.5 98 PMPS 134 +2.5 124 +5 94 +7 99

Mister has only had LC food today and his drops have been safe and steady! I'm really excited about that.

I just have a quick question about bounces and maybe needing some clarity. Since his +7 last night was 99, and his AMPS was 248, he obviously bounced sometime between the hours of +7-12. He has cleared that bounce today thankfully but does this mean his BG will continue to drop until PMPS? I'm not sure if this is always the case on bounce breaking cycles or just one way that it can play out. Bounces can happen/start at any point in a cycle, right? And they can also break at any point too?

I hope everyone is having a nice Caturday. I've been helping my parents in their vegetable garden this morning, I'm trying to learn as much as I can. My wildflowers are coming up so fast! I hope they bring lots of butterflies and bees.
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Good questions, Elizabeth! One variable that might come into play for Mister related to bounces is that you've been pretty consistently feeding his curves, so it might be difficult to predict what a bounce looks like for him without food being involved (does that make sense?). Since you're feeding only LC today, these cycles might give you a better picture. That said, I'm sure Marje will have more in-depth information when she gets back to the forum (I believe I remember her saying that Saturday is one of her elephant days--lucky lady). My experience with Jude has shown that bounces can occur and break at any point in a cycle. If they are breaking at shot time, you might need to be careful because the bounce breaking, coupled with the insulin, increases the downward momentum of the numbers.

I used to be a big gardener--not produce, but I had a beautiful yard--but then I got to the point that I couldn't tolerate the intense heat and humidity (I live in the deep south ), and at about the same time I suddenly developed a terrible reaction to poison ivy that I had never had before. So, gardening sort of lost its appeal for me. It's a great activity, though--excellent exercise and so rejuvenating to put your hands and feet in the soil--and it offers such great rewards.

 

[Wendy&Neko]

I see that Mister answered your concern about an all day slide with that +7 today. Bounces can happen for a couple reasons, one is low numbers, the other is fast drops. Depending on circumstances, that can happen anytime during the cycle. When the cat starts the bounce can also vary. Neko's worst post bounce numbers were the start of the third cycle after the event causing the bounce. Often she'd wait a cycle before starting to the climb to the bounce.

There are a couple other possible reasons for higher AMPS. The first is dawn phenomenon. The second is any feeding after nadir the cycle before can cause loss of insulin duration. Did Mister eat his +5 snack last night right away? Any chance he found some other snacks in the wee hours overnight? Last night he got 1% late, but today you fed 8% around that time. Interesting to see how today plays out in comparison.

Been snacking on the first of the season sugar snap peas, salad greens, strawberries and garlic scapes. Gardening is a great way to relieve the stress of FD. I used to work with someone who called it dirt therapy.

 

[Elizabeth & Mister]

Im also from the mid-west (Chicago suburbs). But Ive been out here longer, moved to California in 1989. Couldnt stand the winters anymore. Im just a tad younger than your mom. Will be 70 this year.

I can't blame you there!! I'm near the lake so we get a lot of lake effect snow and wind and it's brutal in the winter (I'm sure nothing even compared to Chicago), and it's SO long compared to the warmer seasons.
I just took a look at your SS, I hope Karamelle's drop at +5 means she'll show you a little more action this evening. We're rooting for you Karamelle, you'll get there sweet girl!

 

[Elizabeth & Mister]

Good questions, Elizabeth! One variable that might come into play for Mister related to bounces is that you've been pretty consistently feeding his curves, so it might be difficult to predict what a bounce looks like for him without food being involved (does that make sense?). Since you're feeding only LC today, these cycles might give you a better picture. That said, I'm sure Marje will have more in-depth information when she gets back to the forum (I believe I remember her saying that Saturday is one of her elephant days--lucky lady). My experience with Jude has shown that bounces can occur and break at any point in a cycle. If they are breaking at shot time, you might need to be careful because the bounce breaking, coupled with the insulin, increases the downward momentum of the numbers.

I used to be a big gardener--not produce, but I had a beautiful yard--but then I got to the point that I couldn't tolerate the intense heat and humidity (I live in the deep south ), and at about the same time I suddenly developed a terrible reaction to poison ivy that I had never had before. So, gardening sort of lost its appeal for me. It's a great activity, though--excellent exercise and so rejuvenating to put your hands and feet in the soil--and it offers such great rewards.

yes that makes perfect sense! And one of the reasons I had questions and concerns about the way I was feeding him when it came to higher carbs. I also was feeding him more than I normally would anyway because he was underweight (he had lost 7lbs in a matter of months before dx ) but now that his weight is looking better, and I'm feeling more comfortable about seeing him in lower numbers, I wanted to make some changes. So hopefully you are right that these cycles might give me a better idea of his patterns, bounce related or not. Mister has always marched to the beat of a different drummer, so we shall see!

That's so unfortunate you developed such a reaction to poison ivy and had to step away from gardening, which it sounds like you loved and were very good at! It's a goal of mine to learn some day, both flowers and produce, maybe even herbs. It started with a desire to grow my own cat nip. I wish I had photos of my grandparents house, it looked like something out of a fairy tale. There were more flowers than there were 'house'.

Thank you as always for your insight, I appreciate you so much!

 

[Elizabeth & Mister]

I see that Mister answered your concern about an all day slide with that +7 today. Bounces can happen for a couple reasons, one is low numbers, the other is fast drops. Depending on circumstances, that can happen anytime during the cycle. When the cat starts the bounce can also vary. Neko's worst post bounce numbers were the start of the third cycle after the event causing the bounce. Often she'd wait a cycle before starting to the climb to the bounce.

There are a couple other possible reasons for higher AMPS. The first is dawn phenomenon. The second is any feeding after nadir the cycle before can cause loss of insulin duration. Did Mister eat his +5 snack last night right away? Any chance he found some other snacks in the wee hours overnight? Last night he got 1% late, but today you fed 8% around that time. Interesting to see how today plays out in comparison.

Been snacking on the first of the season sugar snap peas, salad greens, strawberries and garlic scapes. Gardening is a great way to relieve the stress of FD. I used to work with someone who called it dirt therapy.

Haha yes he did answer my question with that reading, I said the same thing. That's so interesting about Neko having a slower climb up and not seeing the peak of it for another couple cycles. I knew ECID but the variations in which bounces can happen are fascinating. I will need to start paying better attention to Mister's. I guess I mainly have been focused on when he breaks. I've also noticed he will start a bounce, try to start coming back down, and go right back up.

He did finish his +5 in one sitting. I make sure there is no food left out anywhere before bed every night (learned the hard way to always do these nightly checks). The reason for the 8% today is because he refused to eat the 1%. He loves food, very food motivated, but he can be picky sometimes. He likes what he likes I suppose, just like we do. I'm also trying to figure out a better way of feeding him later in his cycle to prevent acid reflux from having an empty stomach by PS. Some days he's fine with not eating after +5, some days not. I've found when he eats around +7, he doesn't have any issues. I should probably make those later snacks smaller than I do, maybe just a teaspoon so there's something in his stomach. I also haven't tried slippery elm yet, but I've been considering it. I'll have to learn how to use it.

In your opinion, do you think his AMPS this morning was a bounce or "dawn phenomenon" (by which you just taught me something new, how interesting) ? I know sometimes it's impossible to say for sure but I learn a lot from hearing what others think.

Dirt therapy!! I love that and may need to start using it! There is nothing like fresh garden fruits and veggies. Even the way they smell, you can instantly tell a difference. We started just a bit late this season, so hopefully it doesn't hurt the harvest by too much. We just kept getting SO much rain.

 

[adrianaa]

Wow! Misters numbers have been doing so good

 

[Elizabeth & Mister]

Wow! Misters numbers have been doing so good

Lola’s too! I’m really excited and feel very hopeful for her

 

[Marje and Gracie]

In your opinion, do you think his AMPS this morning was a bounce or "dawn phenomenon" (by which you just taught me something new, how interesting) ? I know sometimes it's impossible to say for sure but I learn a lot from hearing what others think.

It’s difficult to say if it’s dawn phenomenon or not. But he’s done this three mornings in a row so it’s very possible (one was a bounce continuation). We find AMPS is usually the last number to come down in cat’s whose cycles look like his.

I don’t think with 1% food at +5 where he ate it all and had no more food is loss of duration from food. Loss of duration can also occur if he didn’t totally absorb his entire shot.

Today looks like a very normal curve since he only had LC food. This does not look to me like a bounce clearing cycle. He came down, had a nice mid-cycle nadir, came up a bit, and had a bit of a second dip.

He’s doing great. Keep up with that LC unless you absolutely need more for low numbers!

 

[Elizabeth & Mister]

It’s difficult to say if it’s dawn phenomenon or not. But he’s done this three mornings in a row so it’s very possible (one was a bounce continuation). We find AMPS is usually the last number to come down in cat’s whose cycles look like his.

I don’t think with 1% food at +5 where he ate it all and had no more food is loss of duration from food. Loss of duration can also occur if he didn’t totally absorb his entire shot.

Today looks like a very normal curve since he only had LC food. This does not look to me like a bounce clearing cycle. He came down, had a nice mid-cycle nadir, came up a bit, and had a bit of a second dip.

He’s doing great. Keep up with that LC unless you absolutely need more for low numbers!

Thank you! I'm starting to recognize things like this that you pointed out (like the second dip) so that makes me excited that I'm finally catching on. And it all makes sense how this doesn't look like a bounce breaking cycle. Sometimes I still look at his SS and it feels like I'm looking at it for the first time ("what happened to everything I've been learning?!") but then it starts to come back and click so I really appreciate you checking in and letting me know what you're seeing.

I was a bit worried about adding that tsp of MC to his dinner, especially since he went up for a couple hours after PMPS. But then he just had a big drop right before +4 so I'm feeling better about my decision. I'd be monitoring him either way whether I gave it to him or not, so maybe it even still wasn't necessary, but I'm glad to see he's still coming down nicely at least, right before nadir too.

 

[Marje and Gracie]

Thank you! I'm starting to recognize things like this that you pointed out (like the second dip) so that makes me excited that I'm finally catching on. And it all makes sense how this doesn't look like a bounce breaking cycle. Sometimes I still look at his SS and it feels like I'm looking at it for the first time ("what happened to everything I've been learning?!") but then it starts to come back and click so I really appreciate you checking in and letting me know what you're seeing.

I was a bit worried about adding that tsp of MC to his dinner, especially since he went up for a couple hours after PMPS. But then he just had a big drop right before +4 so I'm feeling better about my decision. I'd be monitoring him either way whether I gave it to him or not, so maybe it even still wasn't necessary, but I'm glad to see he's still coming down nicely at least, right before nadir too.

It can often be hard to look at your own cat’s SS and see the trends. Even somebody our most experienced members over the years benefitted from someone else looking at the SS.

But it’s excellent you are seeing patterns. You’ve leaned a lot.