05/13 Mister AMPS 390 +1.5 314 +3 284 +4.5 353 +7 257 PMPS 287 +2 229 +3 147

Elizabeth & Mister

Elizabeth & Mister

Member Since 2026
05/12 Mister AMPS 282 +1 255 + 2 271 +4 271 +8 404 PMPS 349 +1.5 294 +2.5 223 +3.5 182

Hello everyone, I hope everyone has a calm safe day❤️🌊

Am I correct in thinking that Mister seems to have an early onset? With a few quick drops recently at +2 I’ve been testing a little early to see where he is, and he is usually dropping before +2.

I have a hard time knowing how to interpret data. I appreciate any support I get in looking for patterns because that is not my strong suit but I will keep doing my best!
 
Elizabeth & Mister said:
05/12 Mister AMPS 282 +1 255 + 2 271 +4 271 +8 404 PMPS 349 +1.5 294 +2.5 223 +3.5 182

Hello everyone, I hope everyone has a calm safe day❤️🌊

Am I correct in thinking that Mister seems to have an early onset? With a few quick drops recently at +2 I’ve been testing a little early to see where he is, and he is usually dropping before +2.

I have a hard time knowing how to interpret data. I appreciate any support I get in looking for patterns because that is not my strong suit but I will keep doing my best!
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Zoo day for me so I’ll have to respond later today when I have time to look at his SS but others might be able to give you some insight.

Have a great day.
 
Elizabeth & Mister said:
05/12 Mister AMPS 282 +1 255 + 2 271 +4 271 +8 404 PMPS 349 +1.5 294 +2.5 223 +3.5 182

Hello everyone, I hope everyone has a calm safe day❤️🌊

Am I correct in thinking that Mister seems to have an early onset? With a few quick drops recently at +2 I’ve been testing a little early to see where he is, and he is usually dropping before +2.

I have a hard time knowing how to interpret data. I appreciate any support I get in looking for patterns because that is not my strong suit but I will keep doing my best!
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It looks like sometimes he does have an early onset (and sometimes he doesn't:)). He does seem to show a lot of activity between the PS and +1 and +2, for sure. I've probably shared this with you, but look at the note on the top right of Jude's 2026 spreadsheet that starts with "A guideline that may help you..." That bit of advice has been priceless to me.

How much is Mister eating at shot time and what is his feeding routine? If he's grazing and not eating much at shot, perhaps that could be why he's dropping more quickly. It looks like you're giving him small meals throughout the cycle, correct?

He looks to me like he is still doing a lot of bouncing and bounce clearing, some of which could be happening at the beginning of a cycle. His spreadsheet looks typical of what I've seen in newly diagnosed and somewhat bouncy kitties. Look at Jude's 2025 spreadsheet (when he came out of remission)--he did some of this too. But then he began to come into regulation once we hit the right dose.

Just a thought: you might consider grabbing some tests in the early morning hours (+8 to +10). Right now, his numbers are not so low that they are dangerous, but as he continues getting into lower numbers, you'll want to get some idea of what he's doing toward the end of the cycle, to ensure he's not going too low; this will also help to avoid bouncing. Last night, he could have continued dropping past that 158. I've got to start catching some in the early morning hours myself because Dear Jude's nadir appears to be shifting to later in the cycle, and I think he might be going lower than I'd like when I'm not testing which is causing some bouncing. They like to keep us on our toes!
 
This is so helpful, and I appreciate you so much for taking the time to look and share your thoughts with me. I took a screenshot of the notes on Jude’s SS, and will add that to my journal.

I just started today recording his meals on his SS. I’ve seen a few others that do that and thought it could be helpful since the relationship between food and insulin is so important. I keep a separate journal for meals and more detailed notes for each day, outside of the SS. For breakfast he usually eats a full can of FF LC (<10%), every now and then it’s a little less or a few bites more if he is especially hungry. He also will usually eat a small amount at +1 and/or +2/+3, since he still has ketones I try to get more calories in him. So those early tests are all also with a full belly.

It makes me feel better to know his numbers and patterns look “normal”, the further up the dosing ladder we go I get a little bit anxious. And on days when I see higher numbers (like the 404 at +8 yesterday). But like everyone says, must put on my patience pants.

I will start grabbing a +8 or +9, I was actually thinking that last night when looking at his sheet to see what he does later and realized I only had a couple of those. How will I know his nadir? Is it always the lowest number in a cycle? (so it can vary?) Again thank you so much
 
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I will start grabbing a +8 or +9, I was actually thinking that last night when looking at his sheet to see what he does later and realized I only had a couple of those. How will I know his nadir? Is it always the lowest number in a cycle? (so it can vary?) Again thank you so much
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Yes, the nadir is the lowest point of the cycle. Nadirs usually hit anywhere from +4 - +6, but ECID (Jude's nadir was at +8 today!). It's also important to note that Lantus users can sometimes experience what is called a second or double nadir, which is a low number, not usually as low as the first nadir, that comes toward the end of the cycle.
 
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Yes, the nadir is the lowest point of the cycle. Nadirs usually hit anywhere from +4 - +6, but ECID (Jude's nadir was at +8 today!). It's also important to note that Lantus users can sometimes experience what is called a second or double nadir, which is a low number, not usually as low as the first nadir, that comes toward the end of the cycle.
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Okay I think I was under the impression that it was at the same time every day, but now I’m understanding it. Like anything so much can vary. Did I miss his nadir today most likely then? Or would it be that +7? I think I have trouble sometimes when there is gaps and I wonder “what was happening at that time?” but like today, I was gone for a couple hours so I know it’s not always possible to test at the same times every cycle. I am not good with numbers unfortunately so this is a little bit of a struggle for me but I’m learning a lot and so so thankful for you and everyone with more experience willing to help.
 
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Okay I think I was under the impression that it was at the same time every day, but now I’m understanding it. Like anything so much can vary. Did I miss his nadir today most likely then? Or would it be that +7? I think I have trouble sometimes when there is gaps and I wonder “what was happening at that time?” but like today, I was gone for a couple hours so I know it’s not always possible to test at the same times every cycle. I am not good with numbers unfortunately so this is a little bit of a struggle for me but I’m learning a lot and so so thankful for you and everyone with more experience willing to help.
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The nadir can be regular (I think in more regulated cats). And then it can also shift to a different point. Jude's used to be about +3, but now it seems to be shifting to later in the cycle at about +6-+7. Again, ECID. I hope Marje or Wendy jumps in here. They have such extensive knowledge in tracking patterns in spreadsheets; it would REALLY be helpful to know what they are seeing. I'm just seeing bouncing in Mister's sheet right now. I mean, he was up and down and up and down today! The nadir you caught was 257 at +7; could he have had an earlier nadir? Possibly. I will say this: I recall Wendy saying that if they are breaking a bounce, their nadir is later (say that three times fast:p!)
 
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The nadir can be regular (I think in more regulated cats). And then it can also shift to a different point. Jude's used to be about +3, but now it seems to be shifting to later in the cycle at about +6-+7. Again, ECID. I hope Marje or Wendy jumps in here. They have such extensive knowledge in tracking patterns in spreadsheets; it would REALLY be helpful to know what they are seeing. I'm just seeing bouncing in Mister's sheet right now. I mean, he was up and down and up and down today! The nadir you caught was 257 at +7; could he have had an earlier nadir? Possibly. I will say this: I recall Wendy that if they are breaking a bounce, their nadir is later (say that three times fast:p!)
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I appreciate this information! His ups and downs make it more difficult for me to start seeing patterns, but I remind myself it hasn’t been 2 weeks yet. The nadir confused me since his lowest numbers have been so early lately , it’s helpful to know it can be less regular in unregulated cats. I would love to hear their thoughts as well.
 
Is it ok that he is dropping the way he is early in his cycles? From a PMPS of 287 to a +2 of 147 makes me worry he will drop too low during the night. Of course I can stay up to monitor him, but I have to get some sleep at some point. Don’t get me wrong, I love seeing those numbers. But the quickness in which he gets there worries me.
 
Look at him tonight!!! He's almost in the greens. Come on, Mister!

Okay, so those dives so far haven't been too concerning because he's into higher numbers, and he hasn't dropped down too low. BUT, as you move forward, his numbers are going to drop, and he might do the dive thing when he's in lower numbers. There is a strategy that we follow on the forum called manipulating the curve with food. You may have heard about that. When you test and see that Mister is going to have an active cycle (because that drop from the preshot to +1/+2 is significant), you can begin giving him a couple of tsps of food every 30 mins or so (this really will depend on his response to carbs) to bump him up a little. This strategy is designed to slow that dive, and you want to slow the dives because 1) they can put them into dangerous numbers, but also 2) dives lead to bouncing. You'll wait a bit and then you'll test again and rinse and repeat as necessary. Here is a sticky you can read that will help you get familiar with the strategy: 8/10 TASHIE pmps=HIGH! +Questions***
 
Mary & Jude said:
Look at him tonight!!! He's almost in the greens. Come on, Mister!

Okay, so those dives so far haven't been too concerning because he's into higher numbers, and he hasn't dropped down too low. BUT, as you move forward, his numbers are going to drop, and he might do the dive thing when he's in lower numbers. There is a strategy that we follow on the forum called manipulating the curve with food. You may have heard about that. When you test and see that Mister is going to have an active cycle (because that drop from the preshot to +1/+2 is significant), you can begin giving him a couple of tsps of food every 30 mins or so (this really will depend on his response to carbs) to bump him up a little. This strategy is designed to slow that dive, and you want to slow the dives because 1) they can put them into dangerous numbers, but also 2) dives lead to bouncing. You'll wait a bit and then you'll test again and rinse and repeat as necessary. Here is a sticky you can read that will help you get familiar with the strategy: 8/10 TASHIE pmps=HIGH! +Questions***
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I’ve been doing this without really realizing that’s what what was! Mostly to try to ease the drop to prevent a big bounce but that all makes sense, and I’ll read into the sticky in the morning when I have time to sit down and focus. Thank you! That is what I was looking for.

I’m so glad to see him come back down tonight. I really appreciate your insight. Have a great night Mary (and Jude!)
 
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