High numbers, 15yrs old

Mel-N-Ali

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Hi. I have had Ali on PZI for the last year, and he started at 2 units, then the vet reduced it to 1.5. He had been doing quite well until recently. The onset is not happening somedays until about 3 hrs and then some days the insulin seems to do its job and some days not. Here are the numbers from yesterday:

630am BG 356, gave 1.5 units
925am BG 347
1259pm BG 119
623pm BG 233, gave 1.5 units
906pm BG 316
1239am BG 272

This morning his PS at 620am 329, gave 1.5 units.

On 8/16 I only did a few tests:
640am 290, gave 1.5 units
1108am 257
624pm 359, gave 1.5 units

Does this warrant an increase? He seems to maybe be stuck.. I am doing another curve today
 
Hi. I have had Ali on PZI for the last year, and he started at 2 units, then the vet reduced it to 1.5. He had been doing quite well until recently. The onset is not happening somedays until about 3 hrs and then some days the insulin seems to do its job and some days not. Here are the numbers from yesterday:

630am BG 356, gave 1.5 units
925am BG 347
1259pm BG 119
623pm BG 233, gave 1.5 units
906pm BG 316
1239am BG 272

This morning his PS at 620am 329, gave 1.5 units.

On 8/16 I only did a few tests:
640am 290, gave 1.5 units
1108am 257
624pm 359, gave 1.5 units

Does this warrant an increase? He seems to maybe be stuck.. I am doing another curve today
Welcome to FDMB! I’m going to move your thread to Main Health as all new members need to start there so we can help you get started with how this forum works.

This (click on blue) post will help you with that including instructions on how to do a spreadsheet and your signature block so we have important information about Ali.

But to answer your question, it’s difficult to see what he is doing with just 2 days of data. I’m assuming you’ve been tracking his data for much longer. Have you been following any kind of specific method of regulation or has the vet just been telling you when to increase and decrease?
When you say he’s been doing “quite well”, what do his nadirs (lowest BG in a cycle) look like? Often times, vets are more supportive of letting cats’ nadirs run higher than we suggest here. Understandably, they can’t be with you 24/7 and want to be sure kitty is safe but we can help with getting Ali in normal BGs longer and safely.

On this site, we have two methods of regulation which assist you in determining when to increase and reduce the dose and by how much. You don’t have to jump into that today. I’d rather see a spreadsheet with some data over a few weeks so we can see his trends and make a strong recommendation for you.

Sometimes onsets and nadirs move around and sometimes duration changes. There can be a variety of reasons for this. Also, diabetic cats can do what we call “bouncing” which means the liver responds to lower numbers or fast drops by releasing extra counterregulatory hormones which drive the BG up for a few cycles. Without seeing what his cycles and trends have looked like recently, it’s hard to say if he’s bouncing or if he needs additional insulin.

The post I linked has the instructions for creating and using the spreadsheet. If you need any help, please send me a private message by clicking on my username to the left and then “start a conversation” and I can get some basic info to help with the spreadsheet.

Again, welcome. There is a bit of a learning curve but there’s always someone around to help and usually many members who will po in to help and support you. Please let me know if you have any questions.
 
Hi. Thank you for the quick response. I have been sticking with what the vet says, although my regular vet retired earlier this year, and I cant say I have a lot of confidence in the vet who took over. A few months ago she had me send in a curve for him and she called me later that night saying he was in remission and didnt need to continue insulin, and that night I did not give a shot and his AMPS the next day was in the 400's. So we went back to 1.5 units. By doing quite well I mean his numbers were consistent and not going over 220ish and not going lower than 80. He was regulated in my eyes. Then last month I noticed the insulin not working as well, but it was also almost time for a refill and the insulin was at the end of its expiration date, so once the new insulin arrived I did another curve and it seemed to be working again. Here is the curve info from the 1st shot after getting the new insulin. This was on 7/18:

640a 330
1027am 154
1221pm 71
315pm 113
630pm 249

One more curve I do have is from 8/14:

651a 231
922a 327
1201p 283
127p 328
636p 301

I will get the spreadsheet and signature done today after work. I have also been testing for Ketones and those come out normal. Such a good feeling to know this community is here to help. It becomes overwhelming at times dealing with his diabetes along with my own health issues.
 
Hi. I have had Ali on PZI for the last year, and he started at 2 units, then the vet reduced it to 1.5. He had been doing quite well until recently. The onset is not happening somedays until about 3 hrs and then some days the insulin seems to do its job and some days not. Here are the numbers from yesterday:

630am BG 356, gave 1.5 units
925am BG 347
1259pm BG 119
623pm BG 233, gave 1.5 units
906pm BG 316
1239am BG 272

This morning his PS at 620am 329, gave 1.5 units.

On 8/16 I only did a few tests:
640am 290, gave 1.5 units
1108am 257
624pm 359, gave 1.5 units

Does this warrant an increase? He seems to maybe be stuck.. I am doing another curve today
Could your PZ be old by any chance? If you get a spreadsheet set up, I will be able to help you. We need more than just one day of data because we need to look at trends/patterns overall (the big picture) as well as nadirs.
 
Hi. I have had Ali on PZI for the last year, and he started at 2 units, then the vet reduced it to 1.5. He had been doing quite well until recently. The onset is not happening somedays until about 3 hrs and then some days the insulin seems to do its job and some days not. Here are the numbers from yesterday:

630am BG 356, gave 1.5 units
925am BG 347
1259pm BG 119
623pm BG 233, gave 1.5 units
906pm BG 316
1239am BG 272

This morning his PS at 620am 329, gave 1.5 units.

On 8/16 I only did a few tests:
640am 290, gave 1.5 units
1108am 257
624pm 359, gave 1.5 units

Does this warrant an increase? He seems to maybe be stuck.. I am doing another curve today
Also, would you please set up your signature?
 
Could your PZ be old by any chance? If you get a spreadsheet set up, I will be able to help you. We need more than just one day of data because we need to look at trends/patterns overall (the big picture) as well as nadirs.
Hi. No. The Pzi is a brand new prescription as of middle of last month. He had a better day today. Amps @619am 329, 296@829am, 138@1136, 127@315p, PMPS@622p 136.

Would i still give 1.5 for tonight since he is at 136?

Working on the spreadsheet and signature now.
 
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