? 6-7-24 Tyler/ Does Forti Flora really help with diahhrea Most likely Tyler has Stomach Cancer

Diane Tyler's Mom GA

Diane Tyler's Mom GA

Member Since 2018
I am not familiar with this . Why I am asking Tyler has been losing weight, throwing up on and off and has diahhrea .
I have been giving him pure pumpkin and it's helping. One day it's formed and then the next 2 days it's very mushy.
Before I started the Pumpkin it was pure diahhrea

I took him to the ER last Friday and they did do a ton of blood work which I entered on his SS. They also did an ultrasound

I don't know how to take a pic of the report so I'll type it out

Diffusely distended intestines
Multiple Reactive LN throughout the GI tract
Thickened Momentum
No FF ( whatever FF means I don't know)

Discussed with O clinical lab findings I assume 0 means owner
Discussed with O I would like to do a POCUS to rule out as elevation with BUN without creatinine may potentially GI indicate bleeding

Discussed with O Tyler's Kidneys may still be affected as Tyler is muscle wasted which would decrease Creatinine and may mask azotemia

Although USG shows appreciate concentration of the urine there is protein in the urine and should consider whether there is an underlying kidney disease .

Discussed with O Platelets were low on CBC and that platelets help us clot blood and would need to look at a blood smear to determine if there was platelet clumping which would decrease the platelet count.

Discussed with O it was difficult getting blood from Tyler and traumatic blood draw/can cause platelet clumping

On blood smear there were about 50,000 platelets with clumping

Discussed with O with <30,000 platelets there is risk for spontaneous bleeding but on Blood smear there was an estimate of 50,000 platelets
with clumping and we can redraw blood at this time and do another blood smear and compare the two diagnostics.
O elected not to do the second blood draw at this time.

Discussed with O VEG POCUS showed diffusely thickened intestines and reactive LN throughout the GI tract making us suspicious for neoplasia vs. autoimmune disease.

Discussed with O following up with her DVM or speciality ( internal medicine vs. oncology) for further diagnostic workup.

O understands that we could not rule out neoplasia at this time and would like to take Tyler home with supportive care.

O has Fluids at home and can administer SQ 100 mls SQ once a day with Cerenia .

Discussed with O following up with DVM on Monday to discuss long term treatment plan for Tyler and possible diagnostics.
O understands . Discussed with O to return to VEG ( Veterinary Emergency Group ) if signs worsens or do not improve for tx and further DX.

I came out and asked the vet at the ER what is it stomach cancer and she said if she had to give an educated guess yes.

Right now I am giving fluids everyday, I can see his gums are pale and sticky when I touch them.
He's still eating great, peeing, pooping, playing, tail is always up,
I will be weighing him every 2 weeks to see if he's losing more.
Right now he weighs 10 lbs 2 ounces.
He is very boney.

I am heartbroken.
I do not have the funds to take him to another doctor or any further testing. This ER visit cost 1,085.00 which my sister paid for.
I had to file bankruptcy about 2 years ago
Even if I get care credit I won't be able to make the payments if I take him to another doctor ..There is no way ,I'm on a fixed income
Any money I did have went toward things for my daughter when she passed away.

My vet that I always went to went to a Petco ,I guess they call it Vetco .
That was the owner.
Dr Sass was actually my vet there at his practice before he moved to Petco, she left him because they worked her to the bone 7 days a week.
Dr Berber and Dr Pla were the owners and each one probably only came in twice a week. So that's why Dr Sass left..
So I really have no vet at this time.
I called Dr Sass ,she remembered me ,Tyler and Perry. We became very close with her.
Where she is now is to far away even if I wanted to take Tyler there.
She was nice enough to call Chewey's and give me another bag of fluids with 1 refill even though I haven't seen her in about 3 or 4 years .

So I guess my plan now is to weigh him every 2 weeks to see if he has lost anymore weight or stops eating and starts to vomit a lot.

That's really all I can do. He's 16 yrs old.

So what I really want to know do you think the Forti Flora will help with the diahhrea. Sometimes he won't eat the pumpkin in his food and I have to mix it with water and syringe it which takes so long

Do I give one packet a day mixed in his/wet food and add water
Will Forti Flora knock him out of remission?
Will it raise his BG?
What the heck does FF mean? Does it mean Free Fluids?
After 3-1/2 years of being in remission this had to happen to him
I have lost 6 pounds already over this . I just can't believe this happened to him.
Lost his brother Perry 4 years ago to kidney disease , most of you know this , now Tyler . I am sick over this .
I haven't been on the board lately so that's why .
Plus been dealing with some health issues myself
I miss all of you and will be back on the board soon .

Just looking for some insight about all of this
Thanks ladies
@Wendy&Neko
@Marje and Gracie
@Suzanne & Darcy
@Sienne and Gabby (GA)


I googled about forti flora and it said
This product contains maltodextrin which is a carbohydrate and WILL affect blood glucose levels. In humans, maltodextrin can affect blood sugar even more so than table sugar. DO NOT use if your cat is diabetic!

Also see this when I googled
What are the ingredients in FortiFlora?
I don't see maltodextrin listed ? SO what is true ?

What is in FortiFlora? FortiFlora Powder Ingredients: Animal digest, Enterococcus faecium, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), brewers dried yeast, Vitamin E supplement, zinc proteinate, beta-Carotene, salt, manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite.


Or is this the calming one that has it in it ?
Purina Pro Plan Veterinary Supplements Calming Care Dog Probiotic Anxiety Supplement
www.proplanvetdirect.com › calming-car...
Rating 4.5
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Ingredients. Active Ingredients per Sachet (1g): Bifidobacterium longum BL999 1X109 CFU Inactive Ingredients: Liver Flavor, Maltodextrin



I just don't want to give him the fortiflora if it's going to raise his BG and knick him out of remission
 
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To me, this reads more like small cell lymphoma, a very slow growing cancer of the bowels. And unfortunately a too common issue with older cats. Punch line - given the right meds (steroid and a mild chemo), over 90% of the cats go into remission. My current cat was diagnosed over 6 years ago. For a diabetic, you'd tend to give budesonide, which is what Neko had, for steroid option.

For diarrhea, you have a couple options. Fortiflora isn't the best option - it's a single strain of probiotic. No, it won't knock him out of remission. A better probiotic is Visbiome, or Proviable though you need to give more of it than Visbiome. Proviable has a Forte(?) gel version that is also good for diarrhea. You can also give psyllium husk powder in his food. I would normally suggest s. boullardi for diarrhea, but it doesn't work if the cat is low in B12. Many cats with IBD or small cell lymphoma (which look alike on ultrasounds) are low in B12. I only tested two of my three SCL kitties, and their B12 level was normal. FYI - all three of mine were just vomiters.

Losing weight is also a sign, and sometimes the only sign of SCL. GI bleeding is also common with SCL and IBD as the bowel lining can be damaged. That will go away once treatment is started.

No free fluids is a good sign, as that can be a sign of progression of cancer. The report doesn't say anything about a mass, which is also good. That generally means large cell lymphoma which is much faster growing, and that's what stomach cancer typically is.

If you can't take him to another vet visit, one option may be just to try him on budesonide (locally acting steroid), and see if that helps. But you will need a vet to prescribe it for you.

Thinking of you, take care of yourself too. :bighug:
 
Wendy&Neko said:
If you can't take him to another vet visit, one option may be just to try him on budesonide (locally acting steroid), and see if that helps. But you will need a vet to prescribe it for you.
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Thank you so much Wendy
Will budesonide knock him out of remission. I know absolutely nothing about this
When you said
For diarrhea, you have a couple options. Fortiflora isn't the best option - it's a single strain of probiotic. No, it won't knock him out of remission. A better probiotic is Visbiome, or Proviable though you need to give more of it than Visbiome. Proviable has a Forte(?) gel version that is also good for diarrhea. You can also give psyllium husk powder in his food. I would normally suggest s. boullardi for diarrhea, but it doesn't help if the cat is low in B-12

Do you mean I would have to give more of the Proviable than the Visbiome?

I wonder why they didn't test for B-12
@Wendy&Neko
 
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Diane, I am so sorry to hear you and Tyler are going through this! I will be praying for you and Tyler! Paws crossed that remission is a possibility! Mr Mazi and I are sending lots of love, hugs, and well wishes to you and Tyler! :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
It's hard to say on the budesonide, it's ECID. It didn't impact Neko's BG's at all. The small cell lymphoma group I belong to usually recommends kitties switch to budesonide if the prednisolone makes them diabetic. I've seen a small number of cats get a numbers bump from budesonide, but more that don't.
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
Do you mean I would have to give more of the Proviable than the Visbiome?

I wonder why they didn't test for B-12
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B-12 is a separate test, usually not done unless asked for. As far as the Proviable, I mean you have to give a greater volume to get the same amount of CFU (colony forming units). Visbiome is just more concentrated.
 
Diane, I am so sorry Tyler is not well.:bighug::bighug::bighug:
Re the visbiome…I tried to get some in Australia but couldn’t, but I was able to get something very similar for Clover who had chronic frequent loose poops. The difference was amazing. She has been having it for 6 months now and has been having normal poops since the second week. And her energy and weight is so much better. So I would also recommend trying visbiome.
 
Oh Diane I’m so sorry to hear what’s going on with Tyler. I know you must be so upset and worried. You’re such a great Mom to him.
Praying for both of you to navigate this path to keep him feeling well. And please try to take care of your own health issues as well. He needs you to be well.
We are sending you many hugs, and love and support :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Dear Diane, I am so sorry to hear Tyler is not well and you have to worry so much. I can imagine this is quite overwhelming now. So good, you asked for advice. I send the best wishes and healing energy for Tyler and you across the ocean. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Healing vines.:bighug:
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So very sorry to hear this for you and Tyler. Totally understand not wanting to be on the forum as much. It's stressful and heartbreaking to deal with these sick kitties that we love with all our hearts. I've heard @Wendy&Neko @Sienne and Gabby (GA) @Bandit's Mom all talk about s. Boullardi so maybe give that a try. Big hugs to you and Tyler!
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Thank you Heather ,I'm going to give the S Boullardi a try :bighug::cat:
 
I recommend this combination, helped Kona!

Chewy - https://www.chewy.com/vetoquinol-pro-pectalin-diarrhea/dp/109718
Note: you'll see powdered sugar as an ingredient, my vet said it was fine, negligible amount to affect BG, but you may want to not risk it.

Whole Foods or any other natural food store - https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/pr...omyces-boulardii-plus-mos-90-count-b00o4puczu

For the S. Boulardii, I used the emergency, stop diarrhea method NOW instructions they detail here: https://www.foodfurlife.com/my-cat-has-diarrhea---what-do-i-do.html#/

The Jarrow's was recommended from @Bandit's Mom @tiffmaxee @Wendy&Neko when Kona had issues. The Pro-Pectalin was what the Emergency Vet recommended. Both worked very well together as different strains...

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Diane Tyler's Mom said:
I am not familiar with this . Why I am asking Tyler has been losing weight, throwing up on and off and has diahhrea .
I have been giving him pure pumpkin and it's helping. One day it's formed and then the next 2 days it's very mushy.
Before I started the Pumpkin it was pure diahhrea

I took him to the ER last Friday and they did do a ton of blood work which I entered on his SS. They also did an ultrasound

I don't know how to take a pic of the report so I'll type it out

Diffusely distended intestines
Multiple Reactive LN throughout the GI tract
Thickened Momentum
No FF ( whatever FF means I don't know)

Discussed with O clinical lab findings I assume 0 means owner
Discussed with O I would like to do a POCUS to rule out as elevation with BUN without creatinine may potentially GI indicate bleeding

Discussed with O Tyler's Kidneys may still be affected as Tyler is muscle wasted which would decrease Creatinine and may mask azotemia

Although USG shows appreciate concentration of the urine there is protein in the urine and should consider whether there is an underlying kidney disease .

Discussed with O Platelets were low on CBC and that platelets help us clot blood and would need to look at a blood smear to determine if there was platelet clumping which would decrease the platelet count.

Discussed with O it was difficult getting blood from Tyler and traumatic blood draw/can cause platelet clumping

On blood smear there were about 50,000 platelets with clumping

Discussed with O with <30,000 platelets there is risk for spontaneous bleeding but on Blood smear there was an estimate of 50,000 platelets
with clumping and we can redraw blood at this time and do another blood smear and compare the two diagnostics.
O elected not to do the second blood draw at this time.

Discussed with O VEG POCUS showed diffusely thickened intestines and reactive LN throughout the GI tract making us suspicious for neoplasia vs. autoimmune disease.

Discussed with O following up with her DVM or speciality ( internal medicine vs. oncology) for further diagnostic workup.

O understands that we could not rule out neoplasia at this time and would like to take Tyler home with supportive care.

O has Fluids at home and can administer SQ 100 mls SQ once a day with Cerenia .

Discussed with O following up with DVM on Monday to discuss long term treatment plan for Tyler and possible diagnostics.
O understands . Discussed with O to return to VEG ( Veterinary Emergency Group ) if signs worsens or do not improve for tx and further DX.

I came out and asked the vet at the ER what is it stomach cancer and she said if she had to give an educated guess yes.

Right now I am giving fluids everyday, I can see his gums are pale and sticky when I touch them.
He's still eating great, peeing, pooping, playing, tail is always up,
I will be weighing him every 2 weeks to see if he's losing more.
Right now he weighs 10 lbs 2 ounces.
He is very boney.

I am heartbroken.
I do not have the funds to take him to another doctor or any further testing. This ER visit cost 1,085.00 which my sister paid for.
I had to file bankruptcy about 2 years ago
Even if I get care credit I won't be able to make the payments if I take him to another doctor ..There is no way ,I'm on a fixed income
Any money I did have went toward things for my daughter when she passed away.

My vet that I always went to went to a Petco ,I guess they call it Vetco .
That was the owner.
Dr Sass was actually my vet there at his practice before he moved to Petco, she left him because they worked her to the bone 7 days a week.
Dr Berber and Dr Pla were the owners and each one probably only came in twice a week. So that's why Dr Sass left..
So I really have no vet at this time.
I called Dr Sass ,she remembered me ,Tyler and Perry. We became very close with her.
Where she is now is to far away even if I wanted to take Tyler there.
She was nice enough to call Chewey's and give me another bag of fluids with 1 refill even though I haven't seen her in about 3 or 4 years .

So I guess my plan now is to weigh him every 2 weeks to see if he has lost anymore weight or stops eating and starts to vomit a lot.

That's really all I can do. He's 16 yrs old.

So what I really want to know do you think the Forti Flora will help with the diahhrea. Sometimes he won't eat the pumpkin in his food and I have to mix it with water and syringe it which takes so long

Do I give one packet a day mixed in his/wet food and add water
Will Forti Flora knock him out of remission?
Will it raise his BG?
What the heck does FF mean? Does it mean Free Fluids?
After 3-1/2 years of being in remission this had to happen to him
I have lost 6 pounds already over this . I just can't believe this happened to him.
Lost his brother Perry 4 years ago to kidney disease , most of you know this , now Tyler . I am sick over this .
I haven't been on the board lately so that's why .
Plus been dealing with some health issues myself
I miss all of you and will be back on the board soon .

Just looking for some insight about all of this
Thanks ladies
@Wendy&Neko
@Marje and Gracie
@Suzanne & Darcy
@Sienne and Gabby (GA)


I googled about forti flora and it said
This product contains maltodextrin which is a carbohydrate and WILL affect blood glucose levels. In humans, maltodextrin can affect blood sugar even more so than table sugar. DO NOT use if your cat is diabetic!

Also see this when I googled
What are the ingredients in FortiFlora?
I don't see maltodextrin listed ? SO what is true ?

What is in FortiFlora? FortiFlora Powder Ingredients: Animal digest, Enterococcus faecium, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), brewers dried yeast, Vitamin E supplement, zinc proteinate, beta-Carotene, salt, manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite.


Or is this the calming one that has it in it ?
Purina Pro Plan Veterinary Supplements Calming Care Dog Probiotic Anxiety Supplement
www.proplanvetdirect.com › calming-car...
Rating 4.5
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(349)
Ingredients. Active Ingredients per Sachet (1g): Bifidobacterium longum BL999 1X109 CFU Inactive Ingredients: Liver Flavor, Maltodextrin



I just don't want to give him the fortiflora if it's going to raise his BG and knick him out of remission
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Dear Diane, I'm sorry to hear this but, as Wendy says, the issue might well be SCL, which is exactly what is suspected in Eddie's case if not IBD. So, the treatment, again as Wendy says, is not that invasive and can result in remission. At this point, a good rule of thumb is to keep things as simple as possible and that pathway seems the way to go.

I'd forget the FontiFlora and go with the s.boulardi or even a fantastic product called Proviable-FORTE (digestive health suppement). Honestly, when Eddie had diarrhea, this product worked within days.

Thinking of you and Tyler. Eddie and I send all good thoughts.
 
Diane I’m so sorry you’re going through all this with Tyler. It is so stressful and hard when your baby is sick. You’re always so giving helping everyone here but you need to use your time for yourself and Tyler now. Sending you hugs and healing thoughts.
 
Jodey&Eddie&Blue said:
Dear Diane, I'm sorry to hear this but, as Wendy says, the issue might well be SCL, which is exactly what is suspected in Eddie's case if not IBD. So, the treatment, again as Wendy says, is not that invasive and can result in remission. At this point, a good rule of thumb is to keep things as simple as possible and that pathway seems the way to go.

I'd forget the FontiFlora and go with the s.boulardi or even a fantastic product called Proviable-FORTE (digestive health suppement). Honestly, when Eddie had diarrhea, this product worked within days.

Thinking of you and Tyler. Eddie and I send all good thoughts.
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Thank you Jodey, I'm sorry you are going through the same dam thing with Eddie. It never ends does it :bighug::bighug::bighug:
@Jodey&Eddie&Blue
 
I truly truly appreciate everyone's concern your advice and your suggestions for Tyler.
To be very honest I do not have one red cent to start with oral chemo and any type of steroids. Going back and forth to the vets for blood work and the charge for office visits.

The ER visit and blood work and ultrasound cost 1,800.00 bucks. My sister paid for it and I'll be paying her back monthly

I had to file bankruptcy about 2 years ago
Even if I get care credit I won't be able to make the payments if I take him to another doctor ..There is no way ,I'm on a fixed income
Any money I did have went toward things for my daughter when she passed away.

I'm 68 yrs old ,don't work , I have a lot of health issues ,won't get into that.
You all may think I'm a bad mom because I can't afford all of this for Tyler and I feel bad enough as it is .
My husband died in 2008 age 51 so it's just me.
I'll see if I can swing taking him to get his B-12 checked and if it's low I'll give him oral B-12 supplement, then at least I can start on the Jarrows S Boulardii , since I was told if is B-12 is low the Jarrows will not help.
I'll keep track of his weight , he's still eating good and in good spirits.
I'm giving fluids everyday. He's still playing, grooming, his tail is always up in the air
It's this dam diahhrea. The pure pumpkin isn't doing the job everyday.
One day his poop is formed ,then the next day it's diahhrea.

This is the best I can do for him and believe me it's killing me .
So please don't judge me ,that would just kill me.
My heart breaks for him that I can't do more for him
 
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Diane Tyler's Mom said:
I think I will have to get Tyler's B-12 tested to see if it's low because Wendy said above
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Or just try the s. boullardi. If it doesn't work, it's possible his B12 is low. You could supplement the B12, but you probably don't want to unless you have to. On the SCL forum I'm on, they suggest not to give B12 unless you have to, as there is some studies showing cancer might like B12.

IMHO, if you have to prioritize anything, get him the steroid first. I'll help him the most. Prednisilone is cheap, but more like to bring him out of diabetes, then you have the FD expenses. Budesonide less like to ruin remission (though it does in small numbers of cats), and will get you the most health bang for the buck for Tyler. SCL is slow moving, the steroid will give you more time with Tyler and make him feel better.
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
I am not familiar with this . Why I am asking Tyler has been losing weight, throwing up on and off and has diahhrea .
I have been giving him pure pumpkin and it's helping. One day it's formed and then the next 2 days it's very mushy.
Before I started the Pumpkin it was pure diahhrea

I took him to the ER last Friday and they did do a ton of blood work which I entered on his SS. They also did an ultrasound

I don't know how to take a pic of the report so I'll type it out

Diffusely distended intestines
Multiple Reactive LN throughout the GI tract
Thickened Momentum
No FF ( whatever FF means I don't know)

Discussed with O clinical lab findings I assume 0 means owner
Discussed with O I would like to do a POCUS to rule out as elevation with BUN without creatinine may potentially GI indicate bleeding

Discussed with O Tyler's Kidneys may still be affected as Tyler is muscle wasted which would decrease Creatinine and may mask azotemia

Although USG shows appreciate concentration of the urine there is protein in the urine and should consider whether there is an underlying kidney disease .

Discussed with O Platelets were low on CBC and that platelets help us clot blood and would need to look at a blood smear to determine if there was platelet clumping which would decrease the platelet count.

Discussed with O it was difficult getting blood from Tyler and traumatic blood draw/can cause platelet clumping

On blood smear there were about 50,000 platelets with clumping

Discussed with O with <30,000 platelets there is risk for spontaneous bleeding but on Blood smear there was an estimate of 50,000 platelets
with clumping and we can redraw blood at this time and do another blood smear and compare the two diagnostics.
O elected not to do the second blood draw at this time.

Discussed with O VEG POCUS showed diffusely thickened intestines and reactive LN throughout the GI tract making us suspicious for neoplasia vs. autoimmune disease.

Discussed with O following up with her DVM or speciality ( internal medicine vs. oncology) for further diagnostic workup.

O understands that we could not rule out neoplasia at this time and would like to take Tyler home with supportive care.

O has Fluids at home and can administer SQ 100 mls SQ once a day with Cerenia .

Discussed with O following up with DVM on Monday to discuss long term treatment plan for Tyler and possible diagnostics.
O understands . Discussed with O to return to VEG ( Veterinary Emergency Group ) if signs worsens or do not improve for tx and further DX.

I came out and asked the vet at the ER what is it stomach cancer and she said if she had to give an educated guess yes.

Right now I am giving fluids everyday, I can see his gums are pale and sticky when I touch them.
He's still eating great, peeing, pooping, playing, tail is always up,
I will be weighing him every 2 weeks to see if he's losing more.
Right now he weighs 10 lbs 2 ounces.
He is very boney.

I am heartbroken.
I do not have the funds to take him to another doctor or any further testing. This ER visit cost 1,085.00 which my sister paid for.
I had to file bankruptcy about 2 years ago
Even if I get care credit I won't be able to make the payments if I take him to another doctor ..There is no way ,I'm on a fixed income
Any money I did have went toward things for my daughter when she passed away.

My vet that I always went to went to a Petco ,I guess they call it Vetco .
That was the owner.
Dr Sass was actually my vet there at his practice before he moved to Petco, she left him because they worked her to the bone 7 days a week.
Dr Berber and Dr Pla were the owners and each one probably only came in twice a week. So that's why Dr Sass left..
So I really have no vet at this time.
I called Dr Sass ,she remembered me ,Tyler and Perry. We became very close with her.
Where she is now is to far away even if I wanted to take Tyler there.
She was nice enough to call Chewey's and give me another bag of fluids with 1 refill even though I haven't seen her in about 3 or 4 years .

So I guess my plan now is to weigh him every 2 weeks to see if he has lost anymore weight or stops eating and starts to vomit a lot.

That's really all I can do. He's 16 yrs old.

So what I really want to know do you think the Forti Flora will help with the diahhrea. Sometimes he won't eat the pumpkin in his food and I have to mix it with water and syringe it which takes so long

Do I give one packet a day mixed in his/wet food and add water
Will Forti Flora knock him out of remission?
Will it raise his BG?
What the heck does FF mean? Does it mean Free Fluids?
After 3-1/2 years of being in remission this had to happen to him
I have lost 6 pounds already over this . I just can't believe this happened to him.
Lost his brother Perry 4 years ago to kidney disease , most of you know this , now Tyler . I am sick over this .
I haven't been on the board lately so that's why .
Plus been dealing with some health issues myself
I miss all of you and will be back on the board soon .

Just looking for some insight about all of this
Thanks ladies
@Wendy&Neko
@Marje and Gracie
@Suzanne & Darcy
@Sienne and Gabby (GA)


I googled about forti flora and it said
This product contains maltodextrin which is a carbohydrate and WILL affect blood glucose levels. In humans, maltodextrin can affect blood sugar even more so than table sugar. DO NOT use if your cat is diabetic!

Also see this when I googled
What are the ingredients in FortiFlora?
I don't see maltodextrin listed ? SO what is true ?

What is in FortiFlora? FortiFlora Powder Ingredients: Animal digest, Enterococcus faecium, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), brewers dried yeast, Vitamin E supplement, zinc proteinate, beta-Carotene, salt, manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite.


Or is this the calming one that has it in it ?
Purina Pro Plan Veterinary Supplements Calming Care Dog Probiotic Anxiety Supplement
www.proplanvetdirect.com › calming-car...
Rating 4.5
') 0px 0px / 13px 15px repeat-x;">') 0px 0px / 13px 15px repeat-x;">
(349)
Ingredients. Active Ingredients per Sachet (1g): Bifidobacterium longum BL999 1X109 CFU Inactive Ingredients: Liver Flavor, Maltodextrin



I just don't want to give him the fortiflora if it's going to raise his BG and knick him out of remission
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Diane, I am so sorry to hear this. It is so very stressful. I know you will provide the best of loving care possible. He is so lucky to have you. Thinking of you and sending healing prayers. PS The psyllium fibre worked for my ibd cat. Just make sure you get the powdered kind, it melts into food and he wont taste it. Hugs
 
Oh my gosh, Diane. I just saw this.
I am so sorry that you and Tyler are going through this.
I hope Tyler does well with steroids and his diarrhea will subside. I'm praying for you, Diane.
:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Or just try the s. boullardi. If it doesn't work, it's possible his B12 is low. You could supplement the B12, but you probably don't want to unless you have to. On the SCL forum I'm on, they suggest not to give B12 unless you have to, as there is some studies showing cancer might like B12.

IMHO, if you have to prioritize anything, get him the steroid first. I'll help him the most. Prednisilone is cheap, but more like to bring him out of diabetes, then you have the FD expenses. Budesonide less like to ruin remission (though it does in small numbers of cats), and will get you the most health bang for the buck for Tyler. SCL is slow moving, the steroid will give you more time with Tyler and make him feel better.
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Hi Wendy I just ordered the Jarrows S Boulardii , I was reading that it tastes horrible, I assume I can put it in a gel capsule and pill it, or mix it in water or baby food and syringe it ?
Is this correct?
Thanks for all your help , I truly appreciate it
@Wendy&Neko
 
@Wendy&Neko
Sorry to bother you again Wendy
and @Sienne and Gabby (GA)

I got the Jarrows S Boulardii today I was reading about the emergency loading dose
It said
Give one-quarter of the 250mg / 5 billion CFU capsule every two hours or so.
Do you know if that means every 2 hours around the clock?
I was reading about here
I am not filling 10 gel caps with it like it says below ,I was going to give 1/2 a capsule 250 mg of the 5 billion CFU capsule every 2 hours
https://www.foodfurlife.com/my-cat-has-diarrhea---what-do-i-do.html#/

Where it starts with
For adult cats (defined here as 9 months of age and older):
Then read the rest

I see there is emergency dose

Adult Cat Therapeutic doses

Adult Cat Maintenance dose
On this site

https://www.ibdkitties.net/supplements/probiotics/

Sorry about the bold lettering



 
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Diane, I'm sorry to rad that Tyler is sick. I don't have answers but I'm thinking about you and hope the probiotics will help :bighug:
 
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